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Attempted to go today during a small window of opportunity (my wife had to work and we have one car). It was sold out. That fact led me to check out its BO take so far (and Andre's write-up as well)...

ALL TIME WORLDWIDE
1.Titanic$1,842,879,955
2.Return of the King$1,119,110,941
3.Dead Man's Chest$1,066,179,725
4.Avatar$1,018,811,000 ($352,111,000 + Foreign $666,700,000)
5.The Dark Knight$1,001,921,825

In it's 1st 3 weeks, it's made over half of what TITANIC pulled in. It's huge overseas.
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Which means they're probably not bound by a strict judicial code, actually, and can do what they like with her. Busting her down to a position where she can visit her friends in jail seems shockingly poorly thought out.

Newsflash! Devin finds an aspect of 'Avatar' to be 'shockingly poorly thought out'!

On the other hand, pilots don't grow on trees around there (takes a couple of years to get new ones delivered), so whatever punishment she received was probably far short of execution.

It would have been nice to have some dialog about it, but it probably is on the cutting room floor. (Like much of the rest of her character material - she was supposed to be Norm's GF, and all that was cut out too)


EDIT: Regarding one of the plot holes mentioned in this page - I can verify that the humans certainly wore the gas masks as the were marched to the shuttle. Not a plot hole at all. Just poor observational skills.
They could have just had her fake a malfunction and have to leave. But, I guess it would distract from the emotional impact of her just turning back.
Quaritch would have made an example out of her, especially after he already lost one of his trusted troops to the Na'vi. There may very well be an explanation for it that was written and/or shot but it remains a plot hole all the same. Trudy actually says on mic that she didn't sign up for this, which was presumably heard by other troops loyal to Quaritch.

All that aside...I cannot believe how much money this thing is making. It's kind of obscene.
I don't think Trudy was assigned to bring them food. More than likely she knocked out whoever was supposed to bring it just like she knocked out the guard.
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I don't think Trudy was assigned to bring them food. More than likely she knocked out whoever was supposed to bring it just like she knocked out the guard.

Either way, it was supposed to be this great caper/hurrah! moment, that just fell totally flat, like the rest of the film.
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Either way, it was supposed to be this great caper/hurrah! moment, that just fell totally flat, like the rest of the film.

This and Sulley taking control of the alpha dragon thing missing seemed like a real cop out to me.
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Either way, it was supposed to be this great caper/hurrah! moment, that just fell totally flat, like the rest of the film.

For you, perhaps. The second time I saw it, the audience whooped and applauded when she pulled that gun. Didn't quite strike me as whoop-worthy, but apparently it works for a lot of people.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell me more about her character, as she seems paper thin to me.
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I'm still waiting for someone to tell me more about her character, as she seems paper thin to me.

That may be because she's a tertiary character at best.
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For you, perhaps. The second time I saw it, the audience whooped and applauded when she pulled that gun. Didn't quite strike me as whoop-worthy, but apparently it works for a lot of people.

Lots of things work for a lot of people. Beating women. Rampant drug abuse. Voting Republican. "Works for a lot of people" is a terrible qualifier.
It's starting to annoy me how the "general public" is acting like this is the first 3D movie released in theaters. That seems to be one of the biggest sources of interest/WOM with this thing (as far as my anecdotal evidence goes).

I can't say it's not the best 3D I've seen so far. However, it's not the best by a very wide margin. Coraline had some amazing 3D. As did UP. And yet, all I hear around the office and other eavesdropping opportunities is "wow, and you should see this new 3D stuff. It's incredible, and it's really the only way to go now. Coolest movie ever."

Oh, really? How'd you like the story? What about the film itself.

"Eh, I mean, it wasn't anything terribly exciting. It was basically Dances with Wolves or something like that. But that 3D, man... you really should see it. Amazing technology."*

I'm glad for those that are able to love it, despite all the flaws that have been gone over and over. But it's seriously annoying to hear people act like there hasn't been 3D releases all over the place for the past few years.

I'm sure those with 3D films lined up are excited though, as this film may really open up that market a good bit. Seems like the "great unwashed" are going to start perking up a little more in the future when they see 3D tagged onto the end of something coming out in theaters.



*Actual conversation I had at work this morning.
Up had amazing 3D? I would have traded it for a brighter picture in a heartbeat.

I missed Coraline, but I'll see the shit out of some 3D since 1982, and this is the best 3D I've ever seen.
Yeah, I can't believe your average moviegoer over 20 isn't aware of other 3D films such as Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs and My Bloody Valentine. You would almost think this is the first modern 3-D movie to be aggresively marketed to adults!
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Up had amazing 3D? I would have traded it for a brighter picture in a heartbeat..

Yeah, the 2D film print presentation of UP eclipsed the 3D Digital presentation. Shit, my Blu-Ray of UP was better than watching this in the dulled brightness of 3D.

Loved Avatar in IMAX 3D, but I'm more interested in the Blu-Ray release and the 2.35:1 aspect ratio that hopefully will accompany it.
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Yeah, I can't believe your average moviegoer over 20 isn't aware of other 3D films such as Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs and My Bloody Valentine. You would almost think this is the first modern 3-D movie to be aggresively marketed to adults!

Exactly.
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That may be because she's a tertiary character at best.

She's a latin woman whose name is CHACON. Chacon is Concha spelled backwards. Concha is an explicit way of saying pussy/vagina in south america.

So yeah, paper thin and playing to the stereotypes.
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She's a latin woman whose name is CHACON. Chacon is Concha spelled backwards. Concha is an explicit way of saying pussy/vagina in south america.

So yeah, paper thin and playing to the stereotypes.

>____>
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She's a latin woman whose name is CHACON. Chacon is Concha spelled backwards. Concha is an explicit way of saying pussy/vagina in south america.

So yeah, paper thin and playing to the stereotypes.

Her name being basically "Ina Vag" might be the most amusing thing about this dreadful movie.

Sypus. Atwa. Na'vagi!
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She's a latin woman whose name is CHACON. Chacon is Concha spelled backwards. Concha is an explicit way of saying pussy/vagina in south america.

So yeah, paper thin and playing to the stereotypes.

Please.

Chacon is a very common last name, even here in the US.

If we swap the 'a' with the 'i' in your nick and then replace the 'i' with an 'e' OR remove the 'a' and move the 'i' to it's place it changes the meaning of your handle in both Spanish and English to the same thing. OMG!!!
Concha spelled backwards is Ahcnoc.
Teta?
Beck?
More anecdotal office chatter just heard behind me while getting print jobs:

"Oh, so I finally saw Avatar this weekend. Did you see it in 3D, too?"
"Yeah, that's the way to go."
"Oooooooh, was that amazing or what? (Insert husband's name here) saw it twice this weekend. He just loved it."
"Wow, twice, huh?"
"Yeah, he said he loved it more the second time because he wasn't bothered* by the dialog and story and he could just take in the 3D stuff. He said he saw so much that he didn't notice the first time."

*it should be noted that it was quite obvious that "bothered" was used in a non-negative way. They obviously loved the film, just more for the visual elements.


(Many) people, at least my little anecdotal characters, seem to be wowed by the visuals, and visuals only, paying little to no regard for the story or characters.

Obviously, this doesn't go for everyone, I'm sure some really dig the story too. But I think it shows that in a broad-appeal sort of way, Cameron's strategy of "throw some amazing technology/imagery onto a bunch of story tropes that are so well-worn and cliched that mass audiences will feel right at home" is working like gangbusters. Granted, the box-office tells you that much.

I've heard this sentiment (similar to the conversation above) echoed from people who never go to the movies, to people who go see just about every mainstream release.

It doesn't work for me outside of a visual experience, and even then, it's not all that earth-shattering.

But I'm glad the "people" seem to have found something worth going to the movie theaters for. Which was, after all, Cameron's intent. I just hope it sticks and keeps people coming back for a while, thus, boosting the whole industry a bit. Something tells me it won't quite work like that, though.
So I was supposed to have gone to see Avatar with my family this past Sunday. It would've been my 4th time. I didn't even really want to see it much the 3rd time (different circle of friends... I'm a sucker for group outings).

But I managed to dissuade my mom who was the one who was interested in seeing it. Hahaha. She knew nothing about the story. She just read about it in the Korean media. The money it's making. How amazing it was (probably referring to the visuals).

I told her the movie was sci-fi/fantasy/action/adventure with aliens and robots! She'd seen The Last Samurai. Same basic thing, but with surface details that she really has no interest in. She lost interest immediately. YES!
Stop stealing from Cameron nooj. Shame.
The question now is: Can Cameron be bothered to sacrifice another 3-4 years and make AVATAR 2? Or will this go the Terminator 3-4 route and have shitty non-canon sequels churned out by rather untalented hacks?
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Stop stealing from Cameron nooj. Shame.

Bah! I gave him my money 3 times!
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"Works for a lot of people" is a terrible qualifier.

Not when you're tryin' to sell the most expensive movie ever made, it ain't.
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The question now is: Can Cameron be bothered to sacrifice another 3-4 years and make AVATAR 2? Or will this go the Terminator 3-4 route and have shitty non-canon sequels churned out by rather untalented hacks?

Unless the sequel brings back the Earth elements that Devin mentionned in his Advocate about Project 808, I hope Cameron doesn't bother. I liked Avatar but it is too shallow for a repeat.
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Not when you're tryin' to sell the most expensive movie ever made, it ain't.

Let me rephrase that, then:

"Works for a lot of people" is a terrible qualifier, especially if you're looking for quality.
Not when you're looking for something that works for a lot of people, it ain't!!!
*kills himself*
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I can't say it's not the best 3D I've seen so far... Coraline had some amazing 3D.

The thing with CORALINE is that the 3-D more or less serves the story. We begin in a flat, diorama world, which matches the gray, boring world; and then the tunnel to the weird world dives into the screen, so we literally go down the rabbit hole; and then there are some fun tricks at the end-of-the-world section.

So is the consensus that watching AVATAR is like watching a long preview for AVATAR?

Well, whatever, I loved it. I'm hoping to convince my girlfriend to see it with me, so all these things balance out.
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(Many) people, at least my little anecdotal characters, seem to be wowed by the visuals, and visuals only, paying little to no regard for the story or characters.

Obviously, this doesn't go for everyone, I'm sure some really dig the story too. But I think it shows that in a broad-appeal sort of way, Cameron's strategy of "throw some amazing technology/imagery onto a bunch of story tropes that are so well-worn and cliched that mass audiences will feel right at home" is working like gangbusters. Granted, the box-office tells you that much.

I was one of those that enjoyed the story more the second time because I was already familiar with the amazing visuals. I spent less time trying to spot every cool effect and just let them wash over me as I engaged more with the characters.

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Can I ask why? I can barely remeber her character except for 'I didn't sign up for this'. To quote that Star Wars review, how would you describe her character?

I still found her character to be pretty one dimensional, but I liked it more the second time. The reason I brought it up is that when she died the first time I saw the movie it didn't really effect me. The second time, it moved me. It may have had more to do with James Cameron's expert pacing of her death scene than her acting.

I also hope that the director's cut includes a missing scene that explains why she was able to leave the attack with no apparent consequences. That and the "terror with terror" line were the only distracting plot holes for me.