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Here comes the ending of Grizzly Man a few dozen times.

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I love that all these WOW refugees now think they need to get back to nature, like nature's going to be all "what's up plug into me and be at one with shit." Here comes the ending of Grizzly Man a few dozen times.

"im going 2 amazon cuz it looks like pandora lol "
"Right, good luck with that."
<Days later>
"its amaz-*GETS EATEN BY AN ANACONDA*"
More like they puss out and go back home the moment they get a bug bite and sweat profusely from the humidity.

That's what I'd do!
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More like they puss out and go back home the moment they get a bug bite and sweat profusely from the humidity.

That's what I'd do!

They go home as soon as they realize there are no McDs around, and they are running low on Prozac.
I'm still having a hard time mustering up enough enthusiasm to spend nearly three hours of my life on this flick even once.
Don't bother, just wait for the DVD.
Just wanted to give my two cents. I enjoyed the hell out of this film. It is not the best film of the decade or the year. It is not the best of Cameron's career. It isn't groundbreaking in terms of CGI or 3D (though I did enjoy the lack of gimmickry for once). It is not an original tale nor is the world that Cameron created wholly original. It doesn't have the greatest performances or characters either. It is just an entertaining sci-fi/fantasy tale that uses classic genre tropes and cliches. I liked Avatar a lot and will likely continue to enjoy it for years to come. It isn't a classic or a masterpiece, but it is a very entertaining film. Did Cameron aim higher than that? Probably. He didn't achieve it in my eyes, but I don't hate the film for that. It is what it is, no matter what his intentions were.

As for its ranking amongst his oeuvre? I'd certainly rank it above Piranha II: The Spawning and Titanic. I would probably place it on about the same level as True Lies. I prefer everything else he has done above this though.
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I'm still having a hard time mustering up enough enthusiasm to spend nearly three hours of my life on this flick even once.

Then don't see it. And I disagree with ElCapitanAmerica's suggestion of waiting for the DVD. See it in 3D or just don't.
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See it in 3D or just don't.

Yeah, I wasn't a huge fan, but it was well worth the money to have seen it in 3-D.
Oh and by the way, if you pick up the latest Cinefx issue, you can read all about the pretty substantial tweaking the animators had to do on just about everything.

This isn't that jaw-dropping to most, but should be to the guy pages back loudly proclaiming that there wasn't any tweaking needed with Cameron's revolutionary mo-cap technology.
Oooh, I'll definitely want to seek out that Cinefex. Yeah, it's no surprise that animators had to come in and finesse the captured performance. Which is why it always rubbed me the wrong way when Cameron proclaimed that the Na'vi had no 'animaaation!'
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Oooh, I'll definitely want to seek out that Cinefex. Yeah, it's no surprise that animators had to come in and finesse the captured performance. Which is why it always rubbed me the wrong way when Cameron proclaimed that the Na'vi had no 'animaaation!'

Needlessly to say, it's a great article. You'd hope so for one of the most technically involved films of the decade.
Was there anything to the making of the film that was cool and inventive beyond 'we put a lot of R&D and computers into making it happen' kinda stuff?

Devin's said it before, but finding out how most FX movies are made is often boring when all it often shows is someone sitting at a computer.

What made the article great?
Well, by great I just mean "long and quite detailed" in the usual Cinefx sense.

Honestly, I didn't read all of it (it's LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG) as I was just passing time in the bookstore. I'll probably buy it though to read the whole thing.

It went into pretty great detail about the whole process of shooting with the virtual camera and all, and what (including images) he was looking at on his monitors/on set vs. what had to be done to tidy up the images for the final picture.
So WETA had to clean up a lot of Cameron's "flawless" mocap?
No surprise there.
I have read that almost everybody at WETA, after having had the "James Cameron Experience" would cheerfully strangle the guy if they had a chance.
Regarding WETA and Cameron:
I heard that WETA needed a big show contract pretty desperately after King Kong inflated their numbers into the thousands. So they made a bid which Cameron couldn't refuse, which included a clause for Cameron to change pretty much everything in every step of production. They were soon working full saturdays after they got the contract

Oh and look at this:
First pro-sumer 3d camcorder from Panasonic. Amazing how fast this trend evolves.
http://www.gizmag.com/panasonic-twin...mcorder/13739/
The trend is not evolving that fast, they had all this shit ready for a long time, they just needed a good excuse to get it out to the public.
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They were soon working full saturdays after they got the contract

I smell an Office Space remake with Cameron in Cole's role...
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Then don't see it. And I disagree with ElCapitanAmerica's suggestion of waiting for the DVD. See it in 3D or just don't.

As I have documented a few times round here, I have the imparement of being legally blind in my right eye - so 3D is not an option for me.

...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.
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...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.

Yup, that's a lame reason for recommending the film in the first place.

I'll amend my recommendation then, just wait for it on HBO then.
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As I have documented a few times round here, I have the imparement of being legally blind in my right eye - so 3D is not an option for me.

...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.

I enjoyed the 2D version a lot more than the 3D, actually UP gave me a much better 3D experience than Avatar. I say you go watch it in 2D, it's still a fun experience!
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As I have documented a few times round here, I have the imparement of being legally blind in my right eye - so 3D is not an option for me.

...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.

For what it's worth, I went with my brother who has the same problem. He said that, compared to earlier 3-D, he found that he did get some enhancement of the viewing experience, though obviously not the same as mine.

He had me try closing one eye at various times and "comparing" what I was seeing with what I saw with two, and while it was less startling, there was definitely more to it (principally things like depth of focus) than I'd expect from a regular 2-D film (but of course I haven't seen Avatar in 2-D so it's not a particularly strict comparison). YMMV, naturally.

However, yeah, my personal feeling is that, without the enhanced viewing experience, it's not worth more than a DVD rental.
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As I have documented a few times round here, I have the imparement of being legally blind in my right eye - so 3D is not an option for me.

...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.

I am in the same boat with Spastic hemiplegia.
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As I have documented a few times round here, I have the imparement of being legally blind in my right eye - so 3D is not an option for me.

...and if "watch it in 3D or not at all" is the best recommendation people can give, Im really pretty comfortable taking the 'not at all' option personally.

It's the best recommandation for you who posted:
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I'm still having a hard time mustering up enough enthusiasm to spend nearly three hours of my life on this flick even once.

If you're not interested in the film and can't appreciate the 3D effects, why waste three hours of your life? I suggest you go see a film that does interest you instead.
I know plenty of people who loved the 2D. Pandora is a beautiful world and there are cool creatures and flora. I think its an event movie worth watching, even if you can't enjoy the added effects of 3D. The film stands on its own. As has been said, its not original in concept, but if you go with it, its a fun ride. Personally, I feel you have to actively try to hate this film. It ain't as bad as the detractors would lead you to believe. It's a good, but not great, film that is worth seeing on a giant screen.
Well there is a giant screen here in one of the last great retro cinemas left in Melbourne and they'll be playing it in February - maybe I'll try to catch it then.

(oh and Div - your av is really freakinng me out for some reason - who is it?)
You need to check this website out stat!

As I'm the resident gossipologist, it's Nic as Amy Winehouse.
I saw it in 2D. I plan on watching in 3D to give myself a comparison.
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So I've been married to my wife for a while now. Its been 6 years since our marriage and I had been dating her for 4 years prior to that. So its been quite a while. My life hasnt been that bad. I mean I have a good job working at Safeway bagging groceries, and my wife is a psychologist so she's the real breadwinner in the family.

We may not be rich but we usually don't want for much. I never thought myself the type to have an addictive personality but ever since we saw Avatar in theaters I have been having problems.

The past 7 nights in a row my wife has asked me to have sex with her, and I just havent been in the mood. Scratch that. I'm incredibly horny most of the time, but I dont feel attracted to her anymore. The sight of her naked literally does nothing for me, and I'm frightened by that. Instead I imagine Neytiri. Her majestic grace and boundless beauty as well as the alien mystery about her. I want to fly off to pandora and live with her, to be with her always. I would worship her as she deserves. I'd do anything to just to touch her, to smell her.

She's the perfect woman, and i feel like this life here has lost its spark. Where is the magic in humanity. Just a few days ago, my son asked me some question about what happened in Avatar. I dont even remember what it was, but after I told him, I started crying. Right in front of him. All I can think about is how depressing it is that I will never reach pandora. I almost vomited while I cried. It was the most pathetic thing I have ever done. Im in my 30's for god's sake. I have to remain strong for my son. Right?

I want to tell my wife but she's a psychologist. She'll think I'm sick. I know it. I probably am sick. But what can I do. Its a little early to tink about divorce, but the thought of her disgusts me. The thought of me disgusts me. How could I compare to the beauty and grace of a Na'vi. I want to leave, to just leave and sort things out, but I dont want to leave my wife and son alone. I dont know what to do with myself, with my life. I dont want to see another psychologist and get treated like a specimen. I just want to be a Na'vi. I've never wanted anything more in my life.

At this point I would rip my son to shreds for an hour on pandora. I would too. And that thought frightens me. Can anyone somehow offer me assistance. Christ what ami going to do with myself?

Who's going to fess up to this? Because the only way I can sleep tonight is knowing this is the work of a troll (probably is). The funny thing is that there's 6 pages of responses to this post already......
That's why those grocery bagger/psychologist marriages never work out. Dude's afraid to share.
Jesus Christ somebody needs to take that guy out back and put him out of his misery.
What....just...

No words. Please be a joke.
This can't be true.
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Jesus Christ somebody needs to take that guy out back and put him out of his misery.

Then who will bag my groceries at SafeWay? Will you do it, kidNthehelmet? Will you?? Netyiri would.
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Who's going to fess up to this? Because the only way I can sleep tonight is knowing this is the work of a troll (probably is). The funny thing is that there's 6 pages of responses to this post already......

You have a link? There's a lot of weird obsessive threads on that forum already!