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You have a link? There's a lot of weird obsessive threads on that forum already!

http://www.avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=698
Holy God. I only read the first page but I think I'm going to die.
I consider myself a fan of the movie... but... jesus.
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Holy God. I only read the first page but I think I'm going to die.

The only reason I go on there is to find the trolls. The problem is, all the posts are over the top. It's really fucking strange.
What is wrong with humanity?
We're not eight feet tall and blue, obviously. I'm beginning to think Ivo Shandor was onto something.
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What is wrong with humanity?

We cant tie our hair/synaptic penis to the planet and each other, thus never knowing true, universal love, peace and understanding of the cycle of life and death.
Also, i cant believe Im asking this, but the whole Hair/synaptic USb penis thing is kind of weird; hell, the whole forcing yourself ona flying lizard sounds like rape.
What if those flying lizards made you their psi-link bottom? Somewhere on Pandora there's a bunch of bitched Na'vi who got turned out, and carry dragons around on their backs all day.
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What if those flying lizards made you their psi-link bottom? Somewhere on Pandora there's a bunch of bitched Na'vi who got turned out, and carry dragons around on their backs all day.

Maybe Thoruk Makto means "holy shit, my ass feels like it just got jackhammered!"
Please, please tell me that "RAA" is someone from here. That's some pro trolling, if I say so myself.

Can't say the same for a lot of the other idiots on there. I mean, christ, if you can't be sleek about it and actually be funny, don't bother.

ETA: Jesus... you kids have fun at Comic-Con this year.
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Please, please tell me that "RAA" is someone from here. That's some pro trolling, if I say so myself.

Can't say the same for a lot of the other idiots on there. I mean, christ, if you can't be sleek about it and actually be funny, don't bother.

ETA: Jesus... you kids have fun at Comic-Con this year.

I think it's a very good troll myself. I think my favorite response from that thread is someone who suggested to throw and blue snuggie on the wife and see if she's more attractive. That one WAS a troll for sure but a funny one.
I just love how he's slowly playing the whole soap opera out. Now he's off to the therapist... you got to have that slow burn.

His first post though... "I'd rip my son to shreds for an hour on Pandora" just leveled me. I actually let out a big yelp of laughter at work, and then had to fight back tears while coming up with excuses for what I'd laughed at.
The whole issue of the weird erotic undertones in Avatar, and the even weirder response of psychologically damaged fans got me thinking about the way that the Cameron exploits the physical beauty and sensuality of the Na’vi. Armond White, in one of his typically inchoate Abdul Alhazred ramblings, describes the pterydactlyl bonding pseudo-rape scene as “Cameron’s most sensual incident since the husband-wife airlift of True Lies yet, strangely, this sexualized conquest suggests latent fascism in his style.” This point about Cameron’s fascist style has been nagging at me, and I’m increasingly getting a Leni Reifenstahl vibe from the whole thing.

I’m specifically thinking of Susan Sontag’s “Fascinating Fascism”, a nice essay from 1975, which describes Riefenstahl’s photographs of the Nuba tribe of Sudan.

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In the intractable desert of the southern Sudan live about eight thousand aloof, godlike Nuba, emblems of physical perfection, with large, well-shaped, partly shaven heads, expressive faces, and muscular bodies which are depilated and decorated with scars; smeared with sacred gray-white ash, the men prance, squat, brood, wrestle in the arid sand.

Like the Na'vi, the Nuba

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are all beautiful (Nuba men, Riefenstahl notes, "have an athletic build rare in any other African tribe"Wink; although they have to work hard to survive in the unhospitable desert (they are cattle herders and hunters), she insists that their principal activity is ceremonial. The Last of the Nuba is about a primitivist ideal: a portrait of a people subsisting untouched by "civilization," in a pure harmony with their environment.

Obviously beautiful images of beautiful people are not evidence of a Nazi fascist aesthetic, but Cameron really goes the extra mile by contrasting the Na'vi with a vision of humanity as a loathsome, ugly race, deserving of their comeuppance. Sontag again:

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Although the Nuba are black, not Aryan, Riefenstahl's portrait of them is consistent with some of the larger themes of Nazi ideology: the contrast between the clean and the impure, the incorruptible and the defiled, the physical and the mental, the joyful and the critical. A principal accusation against the Jews within Nazi Germany was that they were urban, intellectual, bearers of a destructive, corrupting "critical spirit." (The book bonfire of May, 1933, was launched with Goebbels's cry: "The age of extreme Jewish intellectualism has now ended, and the success of the German revolution has again given the right of way to the German spirit." And when Goebbels officially forbade art criticism in November, 1936, it was for having "typically Jewish traits of character": putting the head over the heart, the individual over the community, intellect over feeling.) Now it is "civilization" itself that is the defiler.

In Avatar, Jake’s empty head and good heart are precisely the qualities that allow him to join the brotherhood, feel the spirit of the homeland, screw the uber-babe, and remorselessly kill off the invading human cockroaches.
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Armond White, in one of his typically inchoate Abdul Alhazred ramblings

In a very well-thought-out post, this might be the most spot-on observation of all.
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In a very well-thought-out post, this might be the most spot-on observation of all.

No language of man can fully describe
the unspeakable vistas that Armond has spied.
James Cameron relentless worshiping at the altar of the Noble Savage was one of the major turn offs of the film for me.
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I just love how he's slowly playing the whole soap opera out. Now he's off to the therapist... you got to have that slow burn.

His first post though... "I'd rip my son to shreds for an hour on Pandora" just leveled me. I actually let out a big yelp of laughter at work, and then had to fight back tears while coming up with excuses for what I'd laughed at.

It's pretty obvious the guy is a troll or an attention whore. Either way, he takes second place to "Jim" aka "some dude playing James Cameron". This guy is a master's course in trolling. He's actually convinced some people on there that he's the director of Avatar. I don't have time to find his posts (can only spend so much time on there) but he's the real MVP troll on there.
FOX released the script http://www.foxscreenings.com/media/p...eronAVATAR.pdf

So now we can se what didn't make it through to the final movie.

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having read through a part of it here are some of the omissions:

- Big new opening scenes on earth. We see Jake in the streets, in his appartment, getting in a fight in the bar, and in the crematorium.
- Quaritsh shooting banshees in the jungle with his AMP suit, explaining the new soldiers what to look for and kill
- Scene of Jake, Norm and Grace examining the ruins of an abandoned school in the jungle. Jake notices several bullet holes in the walls but grace refuses to talk about it.
- After Jake is elected to be taught the ways of the Navi by Neytiri, there is a dinner scene between Jake and her, where he eats some gross stuff and learns her name.
- Norm and Trudy develops a love affair and they are caught in the act by Jake at some point.
- We learn that Neytiri and her sister were Grace's best students in the school and that they were very special. Neytiri's sister was killed (probably in the attack on the school).
- Several smaller scenes where we see more and different creatures of Pandora.

I'm about a third way through so it does seem like a LOT has been cut out if it was ever filmed.
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Finally got to see it today.

Yes, the script is basic and predicatble but I couldn't help but be blown away by the whole thing. Myself and the wife loved every minute of it.

And so did the rest of the cinema as for some reason everyone clapped at the end of the film.
I am going to be going to see it next week again with a different group of friends. I am not entirely dreading the thought of doing so. BUT STILL NO FUCKING IMAX SCEENING!!!
I'm pretty sure Imax tried to kill me, see my thread on it in the chewer section.

Back on topic, I was very suprised at how easily I bought into the Navi after mocking the design so much. They did look so much better on the big screen. In fact the CGI in general was top notch.

I'm pretty sure It will hold up very well when revisited a few years down the line.
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FOX released the script http://www.foxscreenings.com/media/p...eronAVATAR.pdf

So now we can se what didn't make it through to the final movie.

EDIT:

having read through a part of it here are some of the omissions:

- Big new opening scenes on earth. We see Jake in the streets, in his appartment, getting in a fight in the bar, and in the crematorium.
- Quaritsh shooting banshees in the jungle with his AMP suit, explaining the new soldiers what to look for and kill
- Scene of Jake, Norm and Grace examining the ruins of an abandoned school in the jungle. Jake notices several bullet holes in the walls but grace refuses to talk about it.
- After Jake is elected to be taught the ways of the Navi by Neytiri, there is a dinner scene between Jake and her, where he eats some gross stuff and learns her name.
- Norm and Trudy develops a love affair and they are caught in the act by Jake at some point.
- We learn that Neytiri and her sister were Grace's best students in the school and that they were very special. Neytiri's sister was killed (probably in the attack on the school).
- Several smaller scenes where we see more and different creatures of Pandora.

I'm about a third way through so it does seem like a LOT has been cut out if it was ever filmed.
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Someone doesn't read the main page.
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i dunno, the Fox released script seems to be different to the Project 880 script, from BL's descripction.
then again, I could be wrong.
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Nope. That was about the original treatment, not the script. The stuff he just listed was shot and ended up being cut over the last few months. Cameron had to kill a lot of his babies to get it to this length.
In that case, disregard my internet snark.
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In that case, disregard my internet snark.

Your heart was in the right place, so dont worry about it.
Just got back from seeing it with two 9 year old boys. Like many have pointed out the plot and characters were pretty pedestrian and predictable but the visuals more than made up for it. Really good CGI combined with really good 3D combined with a really lush visual style that was a lot of fun. Kids loved it too and I saw it in a packed theater with everyone seeming to leave very happy. Did I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread? No, especially not the script or "message" but the experience was certainly memorable.
The thing I wanted most was a non-mystical grounding, like Dune, for Sully's specialness (riding the technicolor dragon, chosen by the tree), and more lines from Weaver explaining the planet as a ecological system. The group chanting scenes were the hardest to sit through. Not quite fitting his dead twin's DNA could have made him attractive to the ecology of the planet. Without that, he succeeds because of the Dances With Wolves model.

I wish that what Andre's saying about interpreting this as video game critique (humans are wrapped up in fantasy while their bodies and world goes to waste?) could save moments like "jumps on dragon, fade out." We're just missing the dragon-riding level. But the easier explanation is that Cameron was lazy/condescending with this script.

Sully's avatar looked like Brendan Fraser. I would watch Lang in a Taken-like role and Rodriguez in a B-movie action franchise.
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Sully's avatar looked like Brendan Fraser.

Brendan Fraser as the basketball player in Bedazzled, specifically.
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Does anyone know if this will still be on IMAX 3D next weekend?
It's got the IMAX booked until the end of Feb I believe.
So I finally saw it and I'm wondering - am I the only one who thought it would be exponentially improved as a silent film? They made a point to explicitly show EVERY SINGLE THING THAT WAS SAID. And they said it with that bullshit "Movie Dialogue" that grated on my nerves. More than once I wanted to shout "Shut the fuck up" to whatever bottomless pit of exposition was on screen. But, because the visuals WERE so strong and again - they made a point to have a visual representation of every goddamned spoken word - I feel like the whole thing would have been better served if they had let the visuals, score and sound effects stand on their own. Not to mention that it would have shaved at LEAST half an hour off of the tedious running time. Maybe that's just me.
I'd have been fine with that.