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At the very least, I'll wait for the Super Deluxe Collector's "We See You Still Have Money Left In Your Wallet" Edition. The extras should be interesting.

Fixed.

I'll be getting that SE too though. I like the film enough, along with my craving for info on the process behind making it.
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At the very least, I'll wait for the Super Deluxe Collector's "FUCK YOU, PAY ME" Edition. The extras should be interesting.

Just because I recently watched Goodfellas again...
Stripped of 3D on DVD the first half-hour of this plays like a SciFi Channel Original. It's that flat and hollow.
I just got the best reply to my Blu-ray review:

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"Avatar" shows that there is such a thing as a good movie. Anybody else who doesn't think it, need to label themselves as "ungrateful" & crawl under a large rock.

I love that this implies that before Avatar good movies were a myth. Being called ungrateful and told to 'crawl under a large rock' is also quite funny.
I bought the Blu-Ray yesterday and just finished watching the film for the 1st time since release.

First of all, goddamn that's a great transfer. Second, it's better than I remember it to be. I really liked the film when I saw it in theaters, but I thought that the hype was overstating the quality of the film. Well, I stand corrected, the film really deserves heaps of praise.

By the time the movie was nearing it's end I really didn't want it to stop, and that didn't happen since probably the LOTR movies. So I guess that is the greatest compliment a movie like this can get from me.

Oh, and I enjoyed it much more in 2d than 3d.
If it hasn't already been posted, a Rifftrax sample:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saVTXXTKthQ

"Hey, you're lookin' Semper-FINE!"
Ugh, is that what all those Rifftrax are like? People actually pay for that?
Obviously, Scott's not a golfer.
I had my share of nerd humor commentary sitting behind me when I saw RETURN OF THE KING with friends. Before the prologue was even over, I told them we were going to follow them to their car and beat the shit out of all of them if they didn't shut the fuck up. MST3K was funny when I was a kid, but lame nerd jokes are the fucking worst.
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Ugh, is that what all those Rifftrax are like? People actually pay for that?

Hey, I chuckled a few times. For free.
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MST3K was funny when I was a kid, but lame nerd jokes are the fucking worst.

...said the guy in an internet movie forum thread about Avatar.
He's also not unfunny and self-loathing about that fact. Big difference.
Well, there's definitely some loathing going on. Maybe not on the self.
It's okay to post on a movie forum and still despise the dweebs in high school who made a bunch of lame jokes about cheese because they like Monty Python.
I noticed you went with cheese instead of the more obvious spam.
The only question is, what tool will the AMP suit be carrying in this version?

http://www.slashfilm.com/2010/06/18/...vatar-3d-porn/
It will make a fortune. And i'll hate the world even more.
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Funny, because it's exactly the sense of scale and excitement that I get from the scenes amongst the misty floaty mountains or whatever that are the only things I actually take away from the film.

Had the Blu on in the background while we played games with some friends tonight, and the flying scenes were the only consistent moments that would make me pause to watch. I feel like they're extremely well conceived to communicate scale, height, and danger- at least as much as any of the classic beautiful matte paintings we get weepy-eyed about (even though they are equally obvious elements of artifice).

Then blue people talk and I keep playing TABOO.

This is my position on the film. The only scene that even remotely holds my attention is the scene of them scaling the mountains to take their first flight. Other than that, it is a generic story told with (incredibly well designed) blue cat people. It is an amazing display of CG and 3D (that hurts without the 3D), but it never was and never will be a great film to me.
I've actually come to really dislike the Na'vi design. I see a Na'vi face and I just wanna punch it. Don't like their body proportions either.

I just hate Na'vi so much!!!!
The ATLANTIS/STARGATE/DANCES WITH WOLVES/POCOHONTAS comparisons have been beaten into the ground, but I thought this was amusing...

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/aliens_avatar
Okay, I know I'm really late on this, but I saw Avatar for the first time last night, and I have to say I wasn't all that impressed. It's basically your typical Cameron film: nice hardware, interesting premise, cliche ridden script and flat characters.

Yes, the movie is very pretty and looks nice in Imax 3d. That was cool since I haven't seen a 3D movie since the early 90s when a local art house ran a 3D porno from the 70s. I also really liked the color palette Cameron chose since blue's my favorite color.

But the story -- ugh. Look, I'm pretty easy when it comes to movies. I'll give myself over emotionally with very little provocation, but this film just didn't connect with me on any emotional level. The characters had no depth and were stereotypes. With the possible exception of Weaver's character. Normally, in a movie this riddled with cliche, I'd expect the scientist type to be more wussy. Here she's tougher than you'd expect, but that's fairly typical for Cameron as well. His fetish for tough women is well-known. Ribisi also didn't bug me as much as he did some viewers. I actually dug his performance, even if the script didn't give him much to do or decent dialogue.

One thing that really bugged me was the scene in the very beginning where Ribisi has a little pow-wow with Weaver where he delivers all the exposition. First of all, what a clumsy device. These characters already know what Ribisi was saying; there was no need to go back a revisit the reasons the company was on Pandora in such a hamfisted way. There'd be short-hand used, references to earlier conversations. In essence, real people don't sit around and say, "Gee, Fred, as you know, we're here for X." Secondly, I don't buy that Weaver's character would allow such a lecture, either. She'd walk out and probably tell Ribisi to go fuck himself. Weaver's character doesn't suffer fools, yet she'd allow this guys she obviously doesn't respect lecture her on base information she already knows? Sorry, not buying it.

At the end of the day, the script was lacking which, for me, makes this a lousy movie. Yeah, there was good action at the end, but, if I don't like the characters or the story, it's a bad film. Avatar is a bad film.
How dare you hold this up to the same standards as regular movies!

I absolutely agree about that exposition scene. It made me want to punch whoever was sitting next to me. Any writer who includes an "As you know, Bob..." scene should be ousted from the Writers Guild.
But it's SO useful for trailers! Hahahahaha

I'll bet marketing people cream their pants when a movie has such scenes.
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But it's SO useful for trailers! Hahahahaha

I'll bet marketing people cream their pants when a movie has such scenes.

This is actually a good point. I wouldn't mind so much if a scene like that was just included in the trailers, but in the movie -- especially one that was supposedly written over the better part of a decade -- it's unforgivable.
So has anyone seen the re-released version? I'm kinda curious to see whats been added/extended. Not curious enough to buy a ticket and sit through it again though.
It could be argued that many of James Cameron's films are constructed exclusively of "trailer moments".
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So has anyone seen the re-released version? I'm kinda curious to see whats been added/extended. Not curious enough to buy a ticket and sit through it again though.

It's barely playing here. Maybe three or four places, and none of them the major ones. Even if I wanted to see it (which I don't), it would be a pain in the ass to get to.
Something about Ribisi's performance in that scene almost makes it feel like he's winkingly delivering it like blatant exposition.

"LOOK SIGNORNEY! THIS (close-up of Unobtanium) IS WHY WE'RE HERE! UNOBTAINIUUUUUUUUUUM!!!!"
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It could be argued that many of James Cameron's films are constructed exclusively of "trailer moments".

Respectfully, I think that's more Michael Bay, especially Armegeddon. Take any random 30 seconds from that flick and you get a trailer.
I think around to the time Bay was making The Rock, he told Ed Harris that the director he most wanted to take after was Cameron.

To which Ed Harris said, "Why?"

But that's a whooole 'nother story.
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I think around to the time Bay was making The Rock, he told Ed Harris that the director he most wanted to take after was Cameron.

To which Ed Harris said, "Why?"

But that's a whooole 'nother story.

Yeah, the "Making of" doc on the Abyss DVD made it sound pretty harrowing, and nobody seems to remember it fondly. Mastrantonio wouldn't even participate in the doc. She's probably never spoken to Cameron again.
I still say The Abyss is the only great movie Cameron has really made. All the crazy filming in those underwater sets - so much more impressive to me than anything in Avatar.
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I still say The Abyss is the only great movie Cameron has really made. All the crazy filming in those underwater sets - so much more impressive to me than anything in Avatar.

It's a pretty good movie, I agree. I'm glad he exercised the environmentalist stuff from the theatrical cut. It's a little twee.

But I do love the practical set pieces. Even though they look sort of dated now, there's a certain charm to them.
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I still say The Abyss is the only great movie Cameron has really made. All the crazy filming in those underwater sets - so much more impressive to me than anything in Avatar.

I fully agree. I think the pains that went into making it show onscreen.

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But I do love the practical set pieces. Even though they look sort of dated now, there's a certain charm to them.

This I don't agree with. What's dated about them? I think everything looks remarkably practical and real. That's one of its strengths.
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I think everything looks remarkably practical and real. That's one of its strengths.

Its really a shame that Cameron doesn't understand this.