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AI meant that Nolan's Batman is strongest when he's driven by thematic depth. Don't get me wrong - there is a very personal tale of a man struggling to come to terms with his parents' deaths buried in there. However, it's clearly the larger theme that REALLY resonates with Nolan. For instance, Batman Begins, to me, represents the struggle between two disparate ideologies - a scorched Earth response to a failure and a more constructive response to oncoming devastation. I don't think Nolan handled these themes the best he could, but he still shows a deft hand when it comes to balancing the ideas with story. On one hand, you have Ra's, who'd rather level a city and watch it rebuilt anew - who hates the very idea of crime (and perhaps humanity itself) so much he'd rather see everyone destroyed for what he sees as a corrupted soul, as part of a cyclical process he believes is quiite natural. On the other hand, you have Batman and the Waynes, who'd rather fight hard even with their backs to the wall, not to save themselves, but the OTHERS. Who believe that there's no problem great enough that can't be resolved with enough perseverance and sacrifice.

But I guess I see what you mean. The Gotham you saw never appeared to be that desperate. I guess that's the problem when you go too far down the "grounded" slope.
AMaybe the trilogy's depictions of Bruce Wayne and Ra's Al Ghul are both critiques of the guy whose only tool is a hammer, who views every problem as a nail. They just have different hammers.
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The problem is, the Gotham we see in the Nolan films' just isn't all that bad.



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Even Detroit looks pretty serene at a glance.



Nolan's Gotham was never meant to be Frank Miller's Gotham. I thought the films made it pretty clear the "corruption" wasn't of tons of randomized violence endlessly spilling over to the civilian populace, but more along the lines of what real-world Chicago has seen: a lot of graft, bribery, corrupt cops, gangsters able to get away with murder (literally) and the like.



And again, I think Schwartz's analysis is spot on, and is indeed part of Nolan's exlporation of costumed heroes and heightened villains: there's a self-perpetuating aspect to them, one they cannot or choose not to see. The League is a band of extremists, to say the least, who believe they are the "cleansing fire," the firm bastion of goodness and civilization against evil and the corrupt. It's no surprise that their estimation of Gotham's corruption - and their exacerbating it - may not reflect reality.

AThe LoS appear to be more incensed by bureaucracy and "decadence" and what they saw as a pussified criminal justice system, i.e., anything not in line with the Manichean crypto-fascism or totalitarianism that they preached.
AI think TDKR is a good film and all but saying its the greatest comic book movie of all time? Um that's probably going to far, by like a lot.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/J...s/?a=87293
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I think TDKR is a good film and all but saying its the greatest comic book movie of all time? Um that's probably going to far, by like a lot.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/J...s/?a=87293


It's the greatest comic book movie of all time, the only movies that might be better are Batman '89 and The Dark Knight... Batman FTW.

The greatest comic book movie of all time?  Now you're foolin.



Gamera.  Question.  How old are you?  Just for my own context.

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The greatest comic book movie of all time?  Now you're foolin.



Gamera.  Question.  How old are you?  Just for my own context.



Hey, man, you gonna ask my weight next? Also, I'd love to see people say what they think is greatest instead of just saying it's ridiculous to call TDKR the greatest.

Please answer my question.

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Please answer my question.



I believe in privacy. What is with you guys and feeling entitled to answers to everything?

I said please.  I'm not entitled to anything, it was simple a request.

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I said please.  I'm not entitled to anything, it was simple a request.



29. I do not act my age and don't plan to any time soon.

Dredd takes TDKR out back and throws it off a 200th story balcony.

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Dredd takes TDKR out back and throws it off a 200th story balcony.



I love Dredd but it's a pretty small movie, TDKR is epic.

Scale ≠ quality.

I enjoy both TDKR and Dredd equally, and refuse to choose between them. It would be like deciding which of my kids to rescue from a burning house. Both have great performances, are masterfully shot (I know some people have issues with the action in Nolan's movies but I love the central beatdown between Bane and Batman, especially the absence of music) and have fantastic scores.

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Scale ≠ quality.



TDKR has scale and quality.

SPIDER-MAN 2.



*drops mic*

Spider-Man 2 is so much better than TDKR that it's a little bit sad.

Spider-Man 2 is really overrated. It's sappy and lame as often as it is good. Aunt May is the worst character in any superhero film I've ever seen. Spider-Man stopping the train was insulting to the intelligence, especially since trains like that don't exist in NYC. The acting of all the people of Manhattan in it was awful, too, from the people on the train defending Spidey to the "it's a web... go spidey go!" just a really cheesy cornball flick saved by entertaining action sequences and that awesome scene in the hospital where Doc Ock's arms go on a murder spree (and we see a bit of the old Sam Raimi we used to love).

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I have no soul.


We know, dude. We know.

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We know, dude. We know.



I see that idea tossed around in many forums, it's bs, how could someone without soul consider Back to the Future one of the top films ever? Figure that one out!

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 especially since trains like that don't exist in NYC.

Really?  Really?  You're going to make this argument?  In a movie about a guy who's a spider fighting an octopus man?



If you don't love Spider-Man 2 it's probably a really good indicator that you're a sociopath.

I can understand how someone could love TDKR, I like it a lot too. It's got a grand scale and sense of bravura filmmaking, one that I respect the hell out of, but the story, the thematic follow-through, all of that is seriously lacking.

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Really?  Really?  You're going to make this argument?  In a movie about a guy who's a spider fighting an octopus man?



If you don't love Spider-Man 2 it's probably a really good indicator that you're a sociopath.



I'd give it more of a pass if the scene was good but it wasn't.



If you call people sociopaths based on their film tastes it's probably a good indicator that you're a sociopath.

What's bad about the train scene?

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What's bad about the train scene?



It pushes things into a new territory of no longer being believable. Having his face revealed to that many people was silly. The acting of everyone on the train was awful and their whole "you getta go through us" crap was lame. It was a really poor way to end an otherwise fun action scene.

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If you call people sociopaths based on their film tastes it's probably a good indicator that you're a sociopath.


He was doing some good humored exaggeration, not actually calling you a sociopath.

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He was doing some good humored exaggeration, not actually calling you a sociopath.



I'm not sure what's so good humored about the sociopath crap. That said, I would say I definitely loved Spider-Man 2 the first time and repeat viewings make all its warts hard to miss. I'd still say it's among the best superhero films but not the best, not by a long shot.

I acknowledge that Spider-Man 2 is a great movie from a distance. I will admit that I've only watched it twice in my life and never felt the need to revisit it. Not sure what that says about either the movie or myself. Then again, that's one more time than I've watched Spider-Man 3.

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He was doing some good humored exaggeration, not actually calling you a sociopath.

As we all know, it makes these things much funnier when they're misunderstood, and then explained.  Comedy goldmine.



Saxon, if you watch them again after The Amazing Spider-Man they're improved.

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Really?  Really?  You're going to make this argument?  In a movie about a guy who's a spider fighting an octopus man?



If you don't love Spider-Man 2 it's probably a really good indicator that you're a sociopath.



Hey now Freeman, I don't love Spider-Man 2. But I do love people skin furniture so...I guess the point stands.

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Spider-Man 2 is really overrated. It's sappy and lame as often as it is good. Aunt May is the worst character in any superhero film I've ever seen. Spider-Man stopping the train was insulting to the intelligence, especially since trains like that don't exist in NYC. The acting of all the people of Manhattan in it was awful, too, from the people on the train defending Spidey to the "it's a web... go spidey go!" just a really cheesy cornball flick saved by entertaining action sequences and that awesome scene in the hospital where Doc Ock's arms go on a murder spree (and we see a bit of the old Sam Raimi we used to love).



AYeah that confused me. Have you been to NYC? You know in Queens there are elevated train tracks. That actually exists! Not as prominent as in Chicago but still.......

Question being "Best comic book movie"?



Hellboy 2.