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Quote:Why do vets side with these assholes?

I'm confounded by this same question, especially after Pumpkins' repeated purposeful and unthinking insults to the military in general and specific veterans as well.
My experience with working with people in the military: some of them don't fucking know. They don't follow politics, and if they do, only follow shit that's clearly propaganda based and "pro military," so they're not following anything beyond LIBRULS BAD!!

All Republicans have to do is pepper their bullshit with GO AMERICA! and RESPECT THE TROOPS! and quite a few of them will buy it without bothering to question the context.
...even after his very public vilification of a nationally known POW and a family of someone killed in war?

You'd think if anything, that would've done it. Because if a Democrat had called McCain a loser due to being captured, heaven and earth would've erupted.
I think it's also another facet of the long, indelible shadow that Vietnam cast over the social and political fabric of this country. For an organization that defines itself by unity and solidarity, memories are long, certainly long enough to remember the reception a lot of vets came home to at the time and which party was aligning itself with protesters who were happy to vilify them simply for having been involved, willingly or no. And the GOP is only too happy to help them nurse that grudge, even while they continue to fuck them over for their own gain.

That said, the GOP of the Trump era certainly has been doing its damnedest to destroy even that parasitic relationship.
Bill O'Reilly went to a Fleetwood Mac concert where millennials were dancing in front of him, and he has a rant about it that eventually turns into cell phone addiction. 

It's pretty funny:
Russian state television loves Sean Hannity:

Quote:Russian state television has reportedly turned to Fox News personality Sean Hannity to help spread the message that the Trump campaign was not complicit in election meddling.

According to the Daily Beast, government-owned Rossiya 1 recently aired clips of Hannity talking about the Mueller report and slamming the media.
Fox News' John Decker blasted some of his colleagues in a leaked email after Charlottesville:

Quote:In leaked internal emails obtained by Mediaite, Fox News Radio correspondent Jon Decker scolded several of his colleagues for their defense of President Donald Trump’s “both sides” remark about Charlottesville, saying they sound “like a White Supremacist chat room.”

The emails are part of a chain discussing coverage of Joe Biden’s 2020 announcement, in which the former vice president entered the race with a video centered on the white supremacist violence in Charlottesville and President Donald Trump’s infamous response to it. The emails were first published by FTVLive.

In response to Biden’s attack, Fox News reporter Doug McKelway sent a quote from Winston Churchill to the email group suggesting the former vice president was lying about Trump’s Charlottesville remarks.
Maybe one of the reasons Trump is considering pardoning war criminals is because Fox News host Pete Hegseth repeatedly lobbied him to do so:

Quote:At the heart of both these moves has been a months-long lobbying campaign by Pete Hegseth, a Fox & Friends co-host and a buddy and informal adviser of the president’s.

Since as early as January, Hegseth has repeatedly pressed the president to support the accused and convicted servicemen. Among those Hegseth, himself an Iraq War veteran and formerly the head of the conservative group Concerned Veterans for America, has advocated for include Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher, a Navy SEAL platoon leader set to stand trial on May 28 for allegedly shooting civilians, including a school-age girl, and knifing to death a captured ISIS fighter receiving medical treatment in Iraq in 2017.

According to three people with knowledge of the situation, Hegseth had multiple private conversations on the topic with President Trump over the past four-and-a-half months, with Gallagher’s case among those he pushed. The Fox & Friends host repeatedly told Trump that the process had been “very unfair” to Gallagher, two of these sources tell The Daily Beast. Hegseth pushed the president not only to publicly help Gallagher, but since at least March has specifically advised Trump to pardon him and the other men, the sources said.

The lobbying appears to have been persuasive. The president went to bat for Gallagher on Twitter in March. And in recent weeks, Trump has at least once described the way Gallagher has been treated as “total bullshit,” according to a source with direct knowledge of the comment. With the possibility of a pardon to come, Hegseth’s behind-the-scenes work also underscores how heavily the president has relied on Fox News stars not just for support and messaging assistance but for actual counsel on policy, as well.
Ingraham desperately trying to bring some of these grifters to the mainstream about says it all regarding where the Republican Party is under Trump.  Propping up an anti-Semite like Paul Nehlen is really gross:

Quote:Laura Ingraham is defending every single one of these people right now as "conservatives" that have been silenced

Why doesn't Fox just give them programs?

Oh right, then they'd lose advertisers and have to fire them, silencing these pinwheels all over again! Womp-womp!

Man, these private companies sure are hard on Nazis' 1A rights.
Here's a pic of Nehlen wearing a shirt celebrating the Pittsburgh synagogue shooter, just in case you didn't automatically assume he's one of the biggest pieces of shit imaginable:
The Piece of Shit Parade rolls on:

“When the United States is attacked by a hostile foreign power, it must strike back. And make no mistake, Mexico is a hostile foreign power”
That’s pure propaganda. Funny how we’re supposed to be afraid of Mexico, but apparently an American goes on a shooting rampage—can’t do anything about it.
Well, I mean, it is, in the sense that any system of measurement that isn't based on actual universal constants is made up. The meter, like the yard, is an arbitrary unit of length that has had a pile of different definitions over the years, and is currently defined as "the distance traveled by light in a vacuum in some completely random fraction of a second that works out to roughly what we defined a meter as before we decided to base it on the speed of light." (And, spoiler, the second itself is a totally arbitrary measure of time!)

The only reason anybody feels the need to pretend otherwise is because it's currently more fashionable to use decimal systems of measurement than ones based on varying multiples/divisors of twelve, since most countries aren't culturally majority-Basque or Sumerian. Said it before and I'll say it again, but if you want to get right down to it, the only true system of measurement is Planck units.
Guy with the polka dot bowtie looks like he's trying to describe the one time he felt up a mannequin at Forever 21.
Re: Laura Ingraham's interview with Trump at Normandy

She went on air later and specifically called out the claim that Trump held up the entire ceremony in order to do the interview as Fake News. Trump actually began the interview by bragging that he's holding up the entire ceremony in order to do the interview.
Paul Nehlen, the anti-Semite who Laura Ingraham recently stood up for again, says we need to "celebrate" neo-Nazi and white nationalists mass shooters who fire at Jews and African-Americans:

Quote:“People were suggesting that maybe he [alleged Poway synagogue shooter John T. Earnest] is of Jewish ancestry and, quite honestly, I think we ought to step back from this and say it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t matter. Because if he is Aryan or if he is Jewish, he went in and shot up some Jews. And, quite honestly, if we can convince Jews to go in and shoot up other Jews, then that’s the power of the crystals right there. So I’m of the opinion that he is not of the Jewish persuasion and we see this trotted out every single time. … They always try to put some spin on these guys whether it’s [alleged Pittsburgh Synagogue shooter Robert] Bowers or [alleged New Zealand terrorist] Tarrant or [racist mass murderer Dylann] Roof or [Norwegian Terrorist Anders] Breivik – any of these guys, they stepped up to do something and we ought to celebrate them. … Unfortunately, it was not livestreamed. [The New Zealand terror attack] set the bar on that pretty high here recently. But I’m encouraged… we’re gonna see this acceleration continue… we’re gonna find ourselves in a situation where we’re the ones who tear it down. We aren’t necessarily the ones who are gonna build it back up. It’d be great if we are. It’d be great if we could do it in that timeframe, but it’s gotta be torn down. This whole neoliberal facade that we’re all walking around in has got to be torn down and it’s got to be destroyed. And so that’s where I stand… I’m not backing away from this kid. I’m heralding his arrival.”
Art Laffer popped up on the "straight news" portion of Fox with this whopper:

Quote:ART LAFFER: It's just plain economics, whenever you redistribute income you reduce total income and that is what he's doing and I am very afraid that if he were elected we would have an enormous crash in the market. Now, that crash would come in anticipation of his election, but it's much like Obama, who I believe was the reason why we had the Great Recession. As he got closer and closer to winning the markets collapsed.
Right, it had nothing to do with the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy during wartime, the housing bubble bursting and the banks needing bailouts. It's all Obummer's fault!
This is Trump's America after all. The health of the financial markets has nothing to do with facts, or economic policy. It's all about how much they feel they are worth on any given day.
Here's Laura Ingraham spouting "great replacement," white nationalist bullshit on her show, claiming that Congolese immigrants are "repopulating" Portland, Maine:

I guess her continuing to prop up Paul Nehlen just wasn't enough for a week of racism.
That Laffer bullshit is just ridiculous enough to be believable by the base. Pre-emptive market crashing is something they're going to nod at, and think to themselves, "It only makes sense!"
Lots of conservatives are mad that a Parkland student had his Harvard admission rescinded after a racial slur from two years ago was uncovered.  Even Fox News is pointing out the racism, though:
Ingraham saying Ingraham-like things:

Quote:Fox News star Laura Ingraham waded into the ongoing debate over reparations for descendants of slaves during her podcast on Thursday by proclaiming there are no “do-overs” after a “conquest.”

Talking to Kentucky State professor and ‘Hate Crime Hoax’ author Wilford Reilly about the recent House hearing on reparations, Ingraham played a clip of author Ta-Nehisi Coates taking Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell to task for saying reparations are unnecessary because Americans elected Barack Obama as president.

After praising McConnell’s remarks, Reilly stated that the logistics of paying reparations would be far too difficult before wondering if Native Americans would then be next to request compensation over their treatment.

“I mean, obviously both white and black soldiers, frankly, took this country from the Indians—the first people,” Reilly added.

“People would argue that the whole world, and I would, the whole world has been reshaped by people taking other people's land,” Ingraham weighed in. “It's called conquest.”

Mentioning past empires and how there was a “totally different map” in the past, Ingraham—whose own brother thinks she is a “monster”—then complained that “they want to live in a fake world,” presumably talking about liberals.

“As Trump always says, ‘You don't get do-overs,’” she declared. “No do-overs, that's it. There was an argument, sometime—I think it was the 1980s. There was a quote, you won, we lost, that's that. Describing world politics, we won, you lost, that's that. That's just the way it is.”

I'm trying to think of a person who's received more do-overs than Donald Trump, but I'm drawing a blank.
Actually, the "do-over" in conquest is when the conquered get fed up, organize, and take their homeland back, and the conquerors usually end up festively decorating the end of a pike. But I guess Ingraham hasn't quite thought through the implications of that.
And Greg Gutfeld hasn't quite thought through the implications of DNA evidence, while he smirks and mugs for the camera:

Quote:A smirking Greg Gutfeld laughed off the innocence of the Central Park Five during a discussion of race issues on Fox News’ The Five, telling co-panelist Juan Williams that President Donald Trump had no reason to apologize for his past comments: “Why should he?…You think they’re innocent?”

Trump took out an infamous, full-page ad in the New York Times just two weeks after police arrested five teenagers who confessed to participating in the brutal rape of woman in New York’s Central Park in 1989. In it, he effectively called for their execution, even though no trial had yet to take place. After a lengthy investigation and the discovery of DNA evidence that identified a completely different perpetrator, the confessions were thrown out as having been coerced and their sentences were fully vacated. The five men ultimately won a $41 million settlement with the state of New York over false imprisonment.

Earlier in the week, Trump was asked about the Central Park Five by National Urban Radio Network correspondent April Ryan, but refused to back down, saying: “They admitted their guilt.” Gutfeld defended those comments in an exchange with Williams.

“This is a time of interesting racial discussions in the country,” Williams said. “You had that white supremacist group outside the Trump rally the other day, you had hearings on reparations, and the president refuses to apologize for Central Park Five ad…”

“Why should he?” Gutfeld interjected.

“It was terrible, those people were found not guilty. [Trump] wanted the death penalty,” Williams replied.

“Do you think they were innocent? Come on!” Gutfeld asked, laughing and turning to mug directly into the camera.

“I do think they were innocent,” Williams responded.

“Oh, I don’t. I disagree,” Gutfled said somewhat chastened, before again chuckling into the camera.

And when Williams began to explain the forensic evidence that proved their five men were not guilty, Gutfeld shouted “You brought it up, Juan!” and then cackled even more.
I did the thing I shouldn't have done, and holy fucking shit--I read the comments. This is why we have Trump. This is why we're fucked.

Despite the fact that the real rapist confessed, despite the fact that DNA shows who actually raped the woman is connected to the real rapist--nope those boys are guilty because they "confessed". Scared little boys who were intimidated by the police, forced to make a confession more likely because the cops were threatening death if they didn't comply. And these idiots are acting like the police have never coerced a confession before.

And the thing is, I fucking know that asshole knows better than that. I know the fucking people posting that shit aren't this stupid. It's just another level on the long way down to "owning the libs." Fucking grown ass men acting like 12 year olds bickering on 4chan. It's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
The existence of so many Trump "true believers" among the populace is, in part, a direct result of the work of people like Gutfeld, Jesse Waters, Hannity, Carlson and the like. These people who intellectually know that what they're saying is inaccurate at best (and wholesale bullshit at worst), but go ahead and say it anyway because they know it's what will get their brand the most eyeballs. In a just world, these people would be held to some kind of legal account.
In Hannity's case, at least, he also knows it means money and power (he's been an unofficial advisor to Pumpkins).
I think it's also perfectly possible that Gutfield no-shit truly believes them to be guilty instead of just fomenting the base. The mentality of, "Well, they must be guilty of *something.*" I see it in my own family.
Yeah, these guys are liars, but they're also dumbfucks who wholeheartedly believe this garbage.
Republicans can never be wrong about anything. If they originally believed someone was guilty but evidence later proves that the person or persons are innocent, nope, they are still guilty for... reasons that only make sense to Republicans. Nothing can impugn on their infallibility, not evidence, not facts, not reality. What they feel is what's true to them.
(06-21-2019, 11:56 AM)bradito Wrote: [ -> ]Republicans can never be wrong about anything. If they originally believed someone was guilty but evidence later proves that the person or persons are innocent, nope, they are still guilty for... reasons that only make sense to Republicans. Nothing can impugn on their infallibility, not evidence, not facts, not reality. What they feel is what's true to them.

Which is ironic, given the old Republican criticism of liberals was that they let their feelings rule their decision making.
(06-21-2019, 11:56 AM)bradito Wrote: [ -> ]Republicans can never be wrong about anything. If they originally believed someone was guilty but evidence later proves that the person or persons are innocent, nope, they are still guilty for... reasons that only make sense to Republicans. Nothing can impugn on their infallibility, not evidence, not facts, not reality. What they feel is what's true to them.

Also “they’re black so they must have done something.”