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Hegseth doesn't get enough credit for being the bad person he is:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/pete-hegseth...r-parents/

Quote:President Joe Biden is set to sign an Executive Order on Tuesday that will set up a task force designed to reunite families separated at the US Southern Border during the Trump administration. Fox & Friends co-host Pete Hegseth bristled at this idea Tuesday morning — in a manner that could reasonably suggest that he is a proponent of the US Border officials raising undocumented orphans on the federal dime.

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But the reunification of families and their children orphaned at the border is apparently not the feel-good policy everyone can get behind. Hegseth sees a more sinister agenda at play. “Let’s rename it, it’s illegal immigration day,” Hegseth mocked. “It’s a total reversal of everything the Trump administration stood for.”

"It’s a return to the bipartisan consensus before Donald Trump that was effectively okay with borders being open, a pathway to citizenship, massive illegal immigration, and catch and release programs that were never effective and always created a magnet for people to come to this country,” he added.

It is also the reunification of children who have lost their parents.
(02-02-2021, 11:43 AM)Iron Maiden Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:"It's a total reversal of everything the Trump administration stood for."

"It's a return to the bipartisan consensus before Donald Trump that was effectively okay with borders being open, a pathway to citizenship, [...] and always created a magnet for people to come to this country," he added.
I like how he's saying all these like they're bad things.
Elections have consequences, Petey Hogsex.
I hope to god that Biden's administration is a total reversal of everything Trump's administration stood (like a constipated tyrannosaurus) for.

And...as if Trump's administration wasn't a complete reversal of everything Obama did and stood for.

Fuck Fox news. If a fiery portal to hell tore open underneath them all on live TV, sending them howling back from whence they came....I might watch..
It's not news amymore, it's advertising.
Fox' ratings are down, and people there are afraid some of that audience won't return:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-r...siders-say

Quote:Signaling a seismic shift in the media landscape as defeated former president Donald Trump hibernates in strangely silent exile at Mar-a-Lago, Fox News’ two-decade-long winning streak came to an abrupt end Tuesday while rivals CNN and MSNBC claimed the No. 1 and No. 2 rankings, respectively, in all of cable television.

Fox News’ embarrassing third-place showing is the continuation of a downward trend in which the right-leaning outlet lost 2020’s fourth quarter to CNN and alienated Trump-supporting loyal viewers by calling Arizona early for Joe Biden during its Election Night coverage.

This unwelcome development is predictably prompting internal panic among staffers, who fear it will result in additional job losses after recent layoffs—and gloating among detractors.

“Fox has seen ratings dips before and has always come back. But there’s no denying this is disastrous for them,” said a former on-air Fox News personality, asking not to be further identified.

“They were out-crazied on the right,” said television entrepreneur Jonathan Klein, the former president of CNN, noting that two of Fox News’ further-right competitors benefited from viewers’ post-election anger. “One America News and Newsmax were more willing to provide the heroin that conspiracy addicts were looking for.”
(02-03-2021, 11:08 AM)Iron Maiden Wrote: [ -> ]Fox' ratings are down, and people there are afraid some of that audience won't return:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-r...siders-say

Quote:Signaling a seismic shift in the media landscape as defeated former president Donald Trump hibernates in strangely silent exile at Mar-a-Lago, Fox News’ two-decade-long winning streak came to an abrupt end Tuesday while rivals CNN and MSNBC claimed the No. 1 and No. 2 rankings, respectively, in all of cable television.

Fox News’ embarrassing third-place showing is the continuation of a downward trend in which the right-leaning outlet lost 2020’s fourth quarter to CNN and alienated Trump-supporting loyal viewers by calling Arizona early for Joe Biden during its Election Night coverage.

This unwelcome development is predictably prompting internal panic among staffers, who fear it will result in additional job losses after recent layoffs—and gloating among detractors.

“Fox has seen ratings dips before and has always come back. But there’s no denying this is disastrous for them,” said a former on-air Fox News personality, asking not to be further identified.

“They were out-crazied on the right,” said television entrepreneur Jonathan Klein, the former president of CNN, noting that two of Fox News’ further-right competitors benefited from viewers’ post-election anger. “One America News and Newsmax were more willing to provide the heroin that conspiracy addicts were looking for.”

What's not mentioned is the layoffs were apparently in their "fact checking" dept.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-l...journalism
(02-03-2021, 12:15 PM)gatorboy Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-03-2021, 11:08 AM)Iron Maiden Wrote: [ -> ]Fox' ratings are down, and people there are afraid some of that audience won't return:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-r...siders-say

Quote:Signaling a seismic shift in the media landscape as defeated former president Donald Trump hibernates in strangely silent exile at Mar-a-Lago, Fox News’ two-decade-long winning streak came to an abrupt end Tuesday while rivals CNN and MSNBC claimed the No. 1 and No. 2 rankings, respectively, in all of cable television.

Fox News’ embarrassing third-place showing is the continuation of a downward trend in which the right-leaning outlet lost 2020’s fourth quarter to CNN and alienated Trump-supporting loyal viewers by calling Arizona early for Joe Biden during its Election Night coverage.

This unwelcome development is predictably prompting internal panic among staffers, who fear it will result in additional job losses after recent layoffs—and gloating among detractors.

“Fox has seen ratings dips before and has always come back. But there’s no denying this is disastrous for them,” said a former on-air Fox News personality, asking not to be further identified.

“They were out-crazied on the right,” said television entrepreneur Jonathan Klein, the former president of CNN, noting that two of Fox News’ further-right competitors benefited from viewers’ post-election anger. “One America News and Newsmax were more willing to provide the heroin that conspiracy addicts were looking for.”

What's not mentioned is the layoffs were apparently in their "fact checking" dept.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-l...journalism
Yeah.  There's been friction between the assholes and people who at least try to report the news for awhile.  Guess they're finaly realizing they need to go full on propaganda to compete with the competition.
Yeah CNN's and MSNBC's ratings took a dive too. Turns out the one thing all the networks agreed on was Donald Trump was good for their business.
lol Newsmax has to push back hard on the MyPillow guy when he starts rambling on and on about Dominion bullshit. They eventually cut him off completely.

https://twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/statu...1564086272

Granted, I'm sure they are terrified of legal action at this point, but its remarkable to see an organization like Newsmax do more to limit the spread of conspiracies and disinformation than, for example, Chuck Todd on MTP.
Wait, Fox News still had a fact checking department?
Alternative fact-checking, I imagine.
(02-03-2021, 09:18 PM)Neil Spurn Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, Fox News still had a fact checking department?

I mean, they probably deserved to be fired. Just not for the reasons Fox used to fire them.
I am all here for Fox losing viewers and getting hit with a 2.7 billion dollar lawsuit from Dominion. I hope Lou Dobbs is having a very bad day.
Speaking of, Dominion is contacting social media platforms asking them to preserve posts of their lawsuit targets:

https://twitter.com/benyt/status/1357471235186122752

Lotta Fox names on there, unsurprisingly.
Oh fuck I'm on that list!
Lou Dobbs has been canceled on Fox Business:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-ar...bs-tonight

Keep up the good work, Murdoch, and fuck you.
Boy, I guess getting your employer embroiled in a multi-billion-dollar defamation suit probably isn't the best thing for your job prospects!
I often reflect on the times I've fucked up at work, but I've never screwed up so bad, my former employers were sued for $2.7 billion.

So they should be thanking me, those ungrateful so-and-so's.
(02-05-2021, 07:53 PM)huntertarantino Wrote: [ -> ]Keep up the good work, Murdoch, and fuck you.

It's posts like this where I second guess my username.
Oh shit, is "Dark City" a prequel to Fox News??

That explains the creepy old white dudes.
No more Mr. Dobbs!
No days off for good behavior!
(02-05-2021, 09:28 PM)JMurdoch Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-05-2021, 07:53 PM)huntertarantino Wrote: [ -> ]Keep up the good work, Murdoch, and fuck you.

It's posts like this where I second guess my username.

You? You're okay.

The other guy? Real fuckin' ugly. I wanna see Mick Jagger smack ol' Ruples to death. He literally turned Jerry Hall into her character from Batman.
Damn, I had to Google that one. Well done.
He'll come back in Captain Trump-murica: Civil War as a green face in a computer..
In just a few weeks, lawsuits and legal threats from a pair of election technology companies have achieved what years of advertising boycotts, public pressure campaigns and liberal outrage could not: curbing the flow of misinformation in right-wing media.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/06/busin...e=Homepage

Quote:Fox Business canceled its highest rated show, “Lou Dobbs Tonight,” on Friday after its host was sued as part of a $2.7 billion defamation lawsuit. On Tuesday, the pro-Trump cable channel Newsmax cut off a guest’s rant about rigged voting machines. Fox News, which seldom bows to critics, has run fact-checking segments to debunk its own anchors’ false claims about electoral fraud.

This is not the typical playbook for right-wing media, which prides itself on pugilism and delights in ignoring the liberals who have long complained about its content. But conservative outlets have rarely faced this level of direct assault on their economic lifeblood.

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Like other prominent liberals in her profession, Ms. Kaplan had long considered defamation suits a way for the wealthy and powerful to try to silence their critics. Last year, Mr. Trump’s campaign sued multiple news organizations for coverage that the president deemed unfavorable or unfair. The technology billionaire Peter Thiel bankrolled Hulk Hogan’s suit against the gossip blog Gawker that ultimately bankrupted the business.

“What’s changed,” Ms. Kaplan said, “and we’ve all seen it happen before our eyes, is the fact that so many people out there, including people in positions of authority, are just willing to say anything, regardless of whether it has any relationship to the truth or not.”

Some First Amendment lawyers say that an axiom — the best antidote to bad speech is more speech — may no longer apply in a media landscape where misinformation can flood public discourse via countless channels, from cable news to the Facebook pages of family and friends.
We have to rethink about what we mean by “Free Speech”. Because what we’ve been doing is unsustainable.
This feud is pretty funny, even if the whole "hey, Fox ain't dumb enough anymore" reasoning that led to it is disconcerting:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/...d=msedgntp

Quote:Newsmax host Rob Finnerty on Monday morning needled Fox News Media for canceling Lou Dobbs’ top-rated FBN show last week, claiming Dobbs was dumped merely for supporting Trump and seemingly suggesting the network instead fire its most famous news anchor.

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Finnerty, in a blatant play for angry Fox viewers upset with the canning of one of Fox’s most loyal Trump sycophants, devoted an entire segment to blasting the network over the firing, while also taking aim at one of MAGA world’s least-favorite Fox personalities.

“If you haven't already noticed, which I'm sure that many of you have, Fox News is just not the old Fox News that it once was,” Finnerty said on his morning show, Wake Up America, as first flagged by Media Matters. “The latest example is Lou Dobbs. Get this: The highest-rated host on Fox Business suddenly had his show canceled on Friday after 10 years.”

“To many, Dobbs was the face of Fox Business,” he added. “The problem, well, Lou Dobbs is a Trump supporter. And oh, he’s even a friend of President Trump’s. But Fox has made several rash decisions lately.”

After snarking about Fox’s recent ratings woes, Finnerty then turned his attention to Wallace, grumbling that the newsman still works at the network even though he “actually said that Joe Biden’s inaugural address was the best he's ever heard.”

“[This] might be a good indication of where Fox News is heading,” Finnerty sneered.

The Newsmax host went on to grouse over Wallace’s recent interview with Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), which featured the anchor repeatedly poking holes in the senator’s claim that Trump cannot be impeached for inciting an insurrection.

“I thought I was watching Brian Stelter on CNN,” Finnerty exclaimed. “That is Fox News Sunday. That is Chris Wallace. Sounds like Wallace is working for the wrong network right now.”
(02-07-2021, 10:05 PM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]We have to rethink about what we mean by “Free Speech”. Because what we’ve been doing is unsustainablI think
I think we should put a hard cap on advertising spending for elections, and crack down on the loopholes that cause money to be funneled to PACs. If we're going farther, I'd outlaw political advertisements altogether before I'd touch Constitutional free speech.
(02-08-2021, 04:00 PM)kyle reese 2 Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-07-2021, 10:05 PM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]We have to rethink about what we mean by “Free Speech”. Because what we’ve been doing is unsustainablI think  
I think we should put a hard cap on advertising spending for elections, and crack down on the loopholes that cause money to be funneled to PACs. If we're going farther, I'd outlaw political advertisements altogether before I'd touch Constitutional free speech.

Agreed. I've had plenty of conversations with people about whether or not social media companies should just straight up ban official political channels from using Social media. To pretend that elected officials rallying over executing fellow politicians, engaging in conspiracy theories, or calling for a coup is protected by free speech is some ludicrous shit.  We all know it's bad, but no one wants to actually pull the trigger because no one wants to responsibility.

Because at some point Fox News and its ilk are going to have to be dealt with.
Direct calls for violence and insurrection can certainly be clamped down on, but "conspiracy theories" is a much murkier area. Who gets to decide what is nonsense that you aren't allowed to talk about, and what is legitimate political criticism and debate? Tech companies themselves? The FCC?
I'd say that labeling conspiracy theories with a 'this is bullshit' tag is a start in the right direction.
Well, it's fine and dandy if media/social-media corporations want to do that themselves, but it raises a whole lot more questions if you're offering it as a solution to the problem on a societal level. Because the problem is that the likes of Fox and Facebook don't care, unless and until they get smacked with a $2.7 billion lawsuit, and NewsMax and OAN overtly exist to provide viewers with an alternate reality that conforms with their preexisting views. So you can't just hope and rely on all the outlets that are major enough to "count" to decide to be good citizens - but you also can't just use government muscle to clamp down on anybody who says things that are wrong-but-not-actionable without being rightfully pilloried for censorship. It's a non-trivial problem.