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Is she concerned because...

A) She hates "illegal kids"
B) She hates vaccines
C) She hates hospitals
D) All of the above
To be fair, she probably also hates vans, and anyone.
Zero mentions of Gaetz on Fox since April started:

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/matt-ga...ostpopular

Quote:So here is what we have: A prominent national politician under criminal investigation for paid sex with women, one of whom was reportedly a minor at the time. Oh, and ecstasy. The story is both scandalous and eminently newsworthy.

Sounds like a perfect story for cable news, right? Not Fox, which has not mentioned Gaetz on air since 6 p.m. Wednesday. In April, “Gaetz” has been mentioned 69 times on CNN, 74 times on MSNBC, and 0 times on Fox, according to TVEyes.

In ignoring the story, Fox News is not just turning its back on Gaetz, a figure it promoted because of his flamboyant support for Donald Trump. The network is turning its back on news of serious consequence.
They're not even devoting air time to blame the Democrats for Gaetz's scandal!
"We're not endorsing that, but some perspective please."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tucker...d=msedgntp

Quote:Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday defended Eric Munchel, who prosecutors identified as the man pictured during the Capitol riot in the Senate chamber in tactical gear with zip-tie handcuffs.

The image - alongside a second figure said to be his mother Lisa Eisenhart - became one of the defining scenes of the unrest on January 6. The two were arrested together.

In a monologue Tuesday night, Carlson criticized a decision by a judge to hold the pair in custody until their trial because they were deemed dangerous. The decision was later overturned by a different judge, and the two were freed under house arrest last week.

"Neither Lisa Eisenhart or her son damaged any property in the Capitol or committed any violence, they just walked in to what we used to refer to as 'The People's House,'" said Carlson.

"And yet somehow Joe Biden's Justice Department convinced a federal judge that Lisa Eisenhart was quote 'a threat to our Republic' and her son was a 'would be martyr.' Keep in mind, these are people whose crime was trespassing in the Capitol. We're not endorsing that, but some perspective please."
"I'm just asking questions..."
No eating until the immigration issue is resolved!

That goes for everyone.
I've been watching clips from Gutfeld! - the new Fox News 'comedy' show - and its exactly as bleak as you'd expect:

Quote:I love this show so much, audience has absolutely no idea when they're supposed to laugh and grow increasingly insecure as time goes on—true existential horror

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/statu...0034126850

It also reminded me of when conservatives tried to do a right-wing Daily Show called The Half Hour News Hour. It was developed by Joel Surnow, co-creator of 24, and it pretty much killed his career!
Every comic that I follow on Twitter is livid about this program. Deep down, they're all Gallagher on the WTF podcast, melting down because they don't have some dumb talk show.
Well maybe if they were willing to do a 45 minute set of "I identify as an attack helicopter" jokes, they'd get a standup special on Fox Business.
What's interesting about all these red-pilled, right-leaning comedians is that they can't comprehend that their jokes don't work because the culture has moved on. I mean, nobody thinks that Vaudeville shit like "Take my wife please" still crushes, and that's why comics don't do it. But conservative comics are too lazy to uncouple themselves from this idea that they should still be killing with un-PC jokes that would've fallen flat 20 years ago on The Man Show.
(04-07-2021, 02:09 PM)fuzzy dunlop Wrote: [ -> ]I've been watching clips from Gutfeld! - the new Fox News 'comedy' show - and its exactly as bleak as you'd expect:

Quote:I love this show so much, audience has absolutely no idea when they're supposed to laugh and grow increasingly insecure as time goes on—true existential horror

https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/statu...0034126850

It also reminded me of when conservatives tried to do a right-wing Daily Show called The Half Hour News Hour.  It was developed by Joel Surnow, co-creator of 24, and it pretty much killed his career!

I sorta love the "because of this woke world everything is about race." but also "it's terrible that the MLB would shift to Colorado--WHERE THERE'S MORE WHITE PEOPLE THAN BLACK!!!!"  

It's beautiful.
(04-07-2021, 03:00 PM)bradito Wrote: [ -> ]What's interesting about all these red-pilled, right-leaning comedians is that they can't comprehend that their jokes don't work because the culture has moved on. I mean, nobody thinks that Vaudeville shit like "Take my wife please" still crushes, and that's why comics don't do it. But conservative comics are too lazy to uncouple themselves from this idea that they should still be killing with un-PC jokes that would've fallen flat 20 years ago on The Man Show.

I also feel like a lot of good comedy involves at least some degree of self-deprecation and conservatives are utterly incapable of poking fun at themselves.
(04-07-2021, 03:00 PM)bradito Wrote: [ -> ]What's interesting about all these red-pilled, right-leaning comedians is that they can't comprehend that their jokes don't work because the culture has moved on. I mean, nobody thinks that Vaudeville shit like "Take my wife please" still crushes, and that's why comics don't do it. But conservative comics are too lazy to uncouple themselves from this idea that they should still be killing with un-PC jokes that would've fallen flat 20 years ago on The Man Show.

I don't even think it's that--they literally can't say what they actually want to.  There's a lot to be said about left-wing comedy, but at least it understands that comedy is about punching up. It's a tool for the disenfranchise to find some humor in an otherwise bleak existence.  It doesn't quite work when the literal oppressors use it because they can't.  Because if they actually start making jokes at the expense of Black people, poor, immigrants, etc, then they're liable to get sued and lose their sponsors.  So it's just a bunch of bland dad jokes or gotcha moments.  There's no edge because there can't be any.
Punching up works in comedy.

Punching down does not since that crosses over into bullying real quick.
You can punch down and be funny. George Carlin really hated dumb motherfuckers and trashed them ceaselessly, much to my delight. Jeff Foxworthy's "Ya might be a redneck" routine isn't exactly speaking truth to power, but he's also not aggressively mean-spirited or talking about a group that's particularly offended by it... because he's also a white Southerner.

Guys like Nick DiPaolo, though, have somehow gone from just being cranky acerbic observational comics to haters, whose point of view is just "if you're offended, well, tough shit." They don't really feel compelled to have a joke or anything beyond the premise that offending people is inherently hilarious.
Yeah, I think the "good comedy only punches up" line is an oversimplification that gets roundly adopted mostly because it sands off all the odd and complicated edges of an extremely broad and nuanced topic into an easily-digestible bite that also happens to flatter the liberal sensibilities that prevail among most comedy audiences and especially performers.

I don't mind comics being mean, necessarily, and there is a degree to which provoking the audience can be a good thing, even when it's not the part of the audience that I already disagree with. But there's also something self-serving and bitch-ass about turning every time you bomb into a story about how no see, people didn't hate my jokes because those jokes sucked, they hated me because they were actually too good and too true and too brave. And comics that identify as conservative seem to embrace that mindset early and never look back.
(04-07-2021, 08:12 PM)schwartz Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I think the "good comedy only punches up" line is an oversimplification that gets roundly adopted mostly because it sands off all the odd and complicated edges of an extremely broad and nuanced topic into an easily-digestible bite that also happens to flatter the liberal sensibilities that prevail among most comedy audiences and especially performers.
Yeah, this. Comedy as a thing is too transcendent and baked-in to the human psyche to be narrowly pigeonholed like this - plus it's part of a larger trend of redefining something as fundamentally human and individual as artistic expression solely in terms of someone's arbitrary framework for judging its social utility, which really sets my teeth on edge. That bullshit belongs back in the Soviet Union.

Which is not to say that there aren't piles of reasons why conservative "comedy" sucks as comedy (chief of which, ironically enough, is that the field is thin enough that you basically get a participation award just for showing up,) but failing to fulfill J. Random Twitterati's checklist for Socially Useful Progressive Entertainment is not one of them.
Conservative comedy isn't funny because spoiled whiny children aren't funny.
Usually we're talking about class when talking about "punching up or down." Hell is other people, so yeah everyone finds dumbmotherfuckers hysterical. And fair enough, I get that maybe I am probably oversimplifying things, but I don't think I necessarily mean to punch up is to be liberal. Comedians fashion themselves as storytellers who are "just like us." So we forget for a little while that Kevin Hart is a fucking multi-millionaire, but he talks about shit his kids do so he's "relatable."

I don't think it's any different than how plays used to be put on specifically for lower class people who couldn't read.
My conservative old man was (and maybe still is) a very funny guy. He's not as funny as I am, and he's definitely not as erudite. We used to watch Richard Pryor concert films together, and a good chunk of the comedies that I own are movies that he introduced me to at a too young an age.

So it didn't seem out of bounds for me to loan him my Bill Hicks CDs. Boy, was he offended by Hicks' rant about Rush Limbaugh.

At any rate, I have a better sense of humor than my old man.
I've always been a bit mystified that my two favorite genres, Action and Horror, are probably the most inherently conservative out there. But there are dozens upon dozens of examples of both that aren't. Anything large enough to define broadly will ultimately have as many counterexamples as regular examples.

It's been a strange facet of growing up, coming to realize that virtually everything is inherently political, but will also usually contain contradictions inside itself.

And yet, I'd be hard pressed to name a truly funny conservative comedian. The best I can come up with is Jeff Foxworthy, who is very much not my thing, and maybe all I mean is that there's nothing inherently hateful about his act, so maybe it just seems more agreeable than it actually is. I certainly don't seek him out or anything.
Conservative attitudes can absolutely be funneled to serve funny bits. The problem isn't that. The problem is Fox News and their ilk aren't comedians. They're braying hatemongers.
(04-07-2021, 09:59 PM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]Usually we're talking about class when talking about "punching up or down." Hell is other people, so yeah everyone finds dumbmotherfuckers hysterical.  And fair enough, I get that maybe I am probably oversimplifying things, but I don't think I necessarily mean to punch up is to be liberal.  Comedians fashion themselves as storytellers who are "just like us."  So we forget for a little while that Kevin Hart is a fucking multi-millionaire, but he talks about shit his kids do so he's "relatable."


I don't think that is necessarily true.
It's a combo of a few factors already mentioned.

Mostly, what Bailey said about hate mongers.  And also the comment about conservatives being unable to be self deprecating.

I can make the following conservative joke, without even being hateful or judgmental (per se) by being self deprecating.

"I'm so old that I can remember when rainbows weren't gay."

But that still doesn't make it funny.
(04-08-2021, 12:12 AM)schwartz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2021, 09:59 PM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]Usually we're talking about class when talking about "punching up or down." Hell is other people, so yeah everyone finds dumbmotherfuckers hysterical.  And fair enough, I get that maybe I am probably oversimplifying things, but I don't think I necessarily mean to punch up is to be liberal.  Comedians fashion themselves as storytellers who are "just like us."  So we forget for a little while that Kevin Hart is a fucking multi-millionaire, but he talks about shit his kids do so he's "relatable."


I don't think that is necessarily true.

Isn't it?  Larry The Cable Guy is an extreme example, but I do think that's the case.  Chris Rock is a multi millionaire who lives in mansions and stars in movies, but his appeal is stories that we, the common people, relate to.  That's why it's funny.

(04-08-2021, 12:34 AM)Rylander Wrote: [ -> ]It's a combo of a few factors already mentioned.

Mostly, what Bailey said about hate mongers.  And also the comment about conservatives being unable to be self deprecating.

I can make the following conservative joke, without even being hateful or judgmental (per se) by being self deprecating.

"I'm so old that I can remember when rainbows weren't gay."

But that still doesn't make it funny.

The weird thing about conservative humor is that it's kinda multi-faceted. Like, I think conservative humor exists in two forms: A very bland, kinda acceptable form of comedy you'd find on certain evening sitcom shows that's focused on populist ideas than any concrete political ideas.  Like Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.  Even that "rainbows weren't gay" joke is something I'd probably would see on a sitcom show in the early 00s.  Then you have stuff like...whatever that Fox segment is supposed to be that's trying to be the conservative "The Daily Show," but kind of can't because it can't say the things it really wants to say.  And while I'm sure there are underground comedians you can find that are "saying what needs to be said," Fox news ain't gonna risk that law suit.
(04-08-2021, 09:58 AM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-08-2021, 12:12 AM)schwartz Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2021, 09:59 PM)ska oreo Wrote: [ -> ]Usually we're talking about class when talking about "punching up or down." Hell is other people, so yeah everyone finds dumbmotherfuckers hysterical.  And fair enough, I get that maybe I am probably oversimplifying things, but I don't think I necessarily mean to punch up is to be liberal.  Comedians fashion themselves as storytellers who are "just like us."  So we forget for a little while that Kevin Hart is a fucking multi-millionaire, but he talks about shit his kids do so he's "relatable."


I don't think that is necessarily true.

Isn't it?  Larry The Cable Guy is an extreme example, but I do think that's the case.  Chris Rock is a multi millionaire who lives in mansions and stars in movies, but his appeal is stories that we, the common people, relate to.  That's why it's funny.
"Relatable storyteller" may be the dominant mode of stand up in America these days, but I hardly think it is the only one.  There's plenty of people that definitely qualify as "comedians" whose acts aren't built on everyman relatability.  For example:  
Richard Prior, Norm Macdonald, Steven Wright, Jeff Dunham, George Carlin, Daniel Tosh, Eddie Murphy, Mitch Hedberg, Bobcat Goldthwait, Dice Clay, Katt Williams, Anthony Jeselnik, Robin Williams, Don Rickles, Steve Martin, Bill Hicks, Demetri Martin, Andy Kaufmann, Lewis Black, Natalie Palamides, Eddie Izzard, Reggie Watts, Russell Brand
Not endorsing the uniform quality of all of their output, just saying.  Your point is still broadly true, I think especially as it relates to conservative comedy, but it also demonstrates exactly what I was trying to say about how comedy is too broad and amorphous of a concept to be encapsulated by simple statements of "it is this/it's not that".
(04-07-2021, 11:35 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: [ -> ]I've always been a bit mystified that my two favorite genres, Action and Horror, are probably the most inherently conservative out there. But there are dozens upon dozens of examples of both that aren't. Anything large enough to define broadly will ultimately have as many counterexamples as regular examples.

It's been a strange facet of growing up, coming to realize that virtually everything is inherently political, but will also usually contain contradictions inside itself.

Right there with you in terms of being mystified by the general leanings of my favorite film/story genres contra my real world cultural and political views and beliefs.

While left-leaning horror certainly existed before 2017, GET OUT really helped showcase how you can do effective, compelling horror without compromising on worldviews.


(04-08-2021, 10:48 AM)MichaelM Wrote: [ -> ]
(04-07-2021, 11:35 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: [ -> ]I've always been a bit mystified that my two favorite genres, Action and Horror, are probably the most inherently conservative out there. But there are dozens upon dozens of examples of both that aren't. Anything large enough to define broadly will ultimately have as many counterexamples as regular examples.

It's been a strange facet of growing up, coming to realize that virtually everything is inherently political, but will also usually contain contradictions inside itself.

Right there with you in terms of being mystified by the general leanings of my favorite film/story genres contra my real world cultural and political views and beliefs.

While left-leaning horror certainly existed before 2017, GET OUT really helped showcase how you can do effective, compelling horror without compromising on worldviews.

Which is why it's so incredibly weird for trolls like Ben Shapiro to get bent out of shape about Hollywood: IT IS RUN BY CONSERVATIVES!!  Films are conservative in that they appeal to populist sensibilities: individualism, hard work gets you far, AMERICA FUCK YEAH!, Adam and Even not Gary and Steve, etc etc...

Action films are very much conservative by nature.  But you know..I know it's a bullshit view of the world.  It's just fun.
The thing about action movies is that they have a very simplistic world view (the good guys are All Good and the bad guys are All Bad), so the application of conservative values in that context works. It's easy to identify with Bryan Mills in "Taken" because he's trying to rescue his daughter from human traffickers, the most vile humans in the world. Who cares if he has to kill a bunch of them to get her back? He's in a time crunch, he's getting pushback from the bureaucratic local law enforcement, and the people he's killing are just monsters anyway. His actions, in the film's universe, are justified.

But in real life, you have people who believe in this QAnon horseshit, and then they show up to Comet Pizza of all places with a gun, thinking they're an Action Hero. Suddenly the good guy with a gun is now trying to kill innocent people because of some pervert's conspiracy blog.
There was a time when "action" movies were grounded in reality. Stallone and Schwarzenegger changed all that. Action movies are fantasy wish fulfillment now. There isn't a dude on the planet who can do what Neeson does in Taken. And that movie isn't even all that fantastical. The problem as I see it arises when your average Fox viewer believes he's the good guy with the gun. Having teachers in schools packing heat is a good idea. Maybe you need a small armory in your basement. These decisions lead to innocent people getting killed. Accidental deaths, suicides. You can count the number of "good guy with a gun" incidents in the history of this nation on one hand. It's an easily disprovable fantasy. But who needs truth when you can imagine you're living in a world where you're the hero?
I once remarked to a coworker that it was probably the end of the cold war that made the Bond franchise seem so stale.

Conservatives see black and white but can't see gray or gradations.  Unless it's to their benefit.
The Hunter Biden channel:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tucker...d=msedgntp

Quote:Two Fox News prime time shows aired explicit photos from an alleged Hunter Biden sex tape on Thursday night.

Josh Boswell of the Daily Mail joined Tucker Carlson after writing about “what WASN’T in Hunter Biden’s book.” The segment included Carlson showing two explicit photos in question.

The first photo allegedly depicts Hunter Biden on his back with two naked women straddling him, with a giant stuffed Squirtle hauntingly smiling through it in the background.

The other photo aired allegedly shows a grinning Hunter Biden as he gripped a woman’s hair. Boswell described it as “quite disturbing stuff.”

They also showed a photo of what the Mail described as “meth mouth.”