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(02-26-2021, 04:51 PM)Nooj Wrote: [ -> ]we’re well past that

Don't I know it..
(02-26-2021, 04:37 PM)slim Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:15 PM)waaaaaaaalt Wrote: [ -> ]Sure but I already knew how you felt from your post. I was asking for a second opinion.

I tried to read both his BP and Cap runs. Not awful, but nothing special. About on par with the rest of the Marvel line currently, which runs mediocre to bad.

Don't even think it's Coates's fault necessarily. There just isn't anything that can be done with Captain America that hasn't been done before more than once or in classic fashion. That problem's endemic across the books.

His Captain America is a totally new character. It's an idea of Captain America created by the Cosmic Cube because they revealed the original Captain America had always been an agent of Hydra. He had fertile ground to do new things off that stupid starting point, he could have also just made done good adventure comics too. Instead he did neither. Instead he kind of takes on what came before, but he's doing this mopey Captain America with internal monologues how it isn't his fault what happened before so why won't this or that person just trust him.

Has anyone read his book Between the World and Me? I do remember this review for it, which definitely sounds like it could make for an interesting take on Superman.
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Extremely bummed that Cavill's not going to have a chance to finally get a whole movie playing the version of the character I'd enjoy.
you still have snydercut!

YOU ALL STILL HAVE SNYDERCUT!!!
(02-26-2021, 04:09 PM)atomtastic Wrote: [ -> ]Failing upwards with an Award winning writer!!!

Arguing that winning a major mainstream award actually functions as an imprimatur of quality?

That's a paddling.
SB's just upset it's not one of his favorite white writers. Shocker.

As for this...really? Stop trying to make Superman happen on the big screen again WB.
(02-26-2021, 05:05 PM)simbob Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:37 PM)slim Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:15 PM)waaaaaaaalt Wrote: [ -> ]Sure but I already knew how you felt from your post. I was asking for a second opinion.

I tried to read both his BP and Cap runs. Not awful, but nothing special. About on par with the rest of the Marvel line currently, which runs mediocre to bad.

Don't even think it's Coates's fault necessarily. There just isn't anything that can be done with Captain America that hasn't been done before more than once or in classic fashion. That problem's endemic across the books.

His Captain America is a totally new character. It's an idea of Captain America created by the Cosmic Cube because they revealed the original Captain America had always been an agent of Hydra.

They're sticking with that? Jesus. But that's what I mean about a line-wide problem. They've generally got one move because the possibilities of these characters are so exhausted-- the everything-you-know-is-wrong move. Hey, Nick Fury's also been standing on the moon with a giant gun this whole time protecting Earth from aliens! Never mind the thousand alien invasions that have taken place!

I opened whatever Cap issue was current on the Unlimited app and first couple pages got the impression that all along Sharon Carter has all along been in one of those ret-con-y secret societies, but this one's all ladies. At that point it's just roll my eyes and go back to reading old Power Man and Iron Fist.

....

Anyway, open mind on this Superman thing if it even happens. Still, in the JL thread I was just saying how I'd like to see those actors continue in the big roles, so can't help feel a little disappointed.
(02-26-2021, 05:15 PM)Nooj Wrote: [ -> ]you still have snydercut!

YOU ALL STILL HAVE SNYDERCUT!!!

You think we're getting a full movie of happy-to-help Superman in the Snyder Cut?

No way!
no, I'm just saying you still have SNYDERCUT!
But that's still not going to give me (much of, if any of) the Superman I want to see!
It would seem to me that if you were going to break this sort of new ground with a bold re-envisioning of the canon/mythos of Superman it would work better as a gigantic budgeted mini-series where you might, you know, actually have the time to lay a foundation that doesn't rely upon our collective knowledge of the character to provide "shortcuts," but I'll keep an open mind.

**You know who I think would have made for a great mold-breaking Superman once upon a time? Rick Yune.
There's always, stick with me here, the comics?

Hopefully the new director doesn't have a Ayn Rand love pillow this time.
(02-26-2021, 05:41 PM)Belloq87 Wrote: [ -> ]But that's still not going to give me (much of, if any of) the Superman I want to see!

but you still haaaaave it!

(02-26-2021, 05:16 PM)Overlord Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:09 PM)atomtastic Wrote: [ -> ]Failing upwards with an Award winning writer!!!

Arguing that winning a major mainstream award actually functions as an imprimatur of quality?

That's a paddling.

pretty sure atomtastic isn't saying  anything regarding quality

merely that to go from already being an award winning writer/essayist to the screenwriter of a major hollywood blockbuster is not an example of 'failing upwards' as simbob stated
(02-26-2021, 05:42 PM)headless fett Wrote: [ -> ]There's always, stick with me here, the comics?


What point are you trying to make?  That folks who want more time to engage with a new backstory/foundation for Superman should just go read the comics instead of watching the movie?

I'm not sure telling people to go look for ancillary sources of information is the best way to start off approaching an origin movie.


(02-26-2021, 05:42 PM)Nooj Wrote: [ -> ]merely that to go from already being an award winning writer/essayist to the screenwriter of a major hollywood blockbuster is not an example of 'failing upwards' as simbob stated

I can't say I've read any of his stuff, so I have no idea.

But if it's bad (as some seem to be saying), then 'yes,' it's definitely failing upwards.
I'm suggesting that if you find the movie(s) lacking. The source material is a much more satisfying alternative.
(02-26-2021, 05:16 PM)Overlord Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:09 PM)atomtastic Wrote: [ -> ]Failing upwards with an Award winning writer!!!

Arguing that winning a major mainstream award actually is an imprimatur of quality?

That's a paddling.

Also assuming that whatever his writing talents are, are transferrable to just any medium. That's a related problem I have with his comics work. They hire a guy from outside the field just to generate buzz (because I really doubt it generates much more in the way of sales) and get work that's nothing special-- work you could easily could get from some industry vet.

But maybe his Superman pitch really is that special. Guess we'll see.
(02-26-2021, 05:31 PM)slim Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 05:05 PM)simbob Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:37 PM)slim Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 04:15 PM)waaaaaaaalt Wrote: [ -> ]Sure but I already knew how you felt from your post. I was asking for a second opinion.

I tried to read both his BP and Cap runs. Not awful, but nothing special. About on par with the rest of the Marvel line currently, which runs mediocre to bad.

Don't even think it's Coates's fault necessarily. There just isn't anything that can be done with Captain America that hasn't been done before more than once or in classic fashion. That problem's endemic across the books.

His Captain America is a totally new character. It's an idea of Captain America created by the Cosmic Cube because they revealed the original Captain America had always been an agent of Hydra.

They're sticking with that? Jesus. But that's what I mean about a line-wide problem. They've generally got one move because the possibilities of these characters are so exhausted-- the everything-you-know-is-wrong move. Hey, Nick Fury's also been standing on the moon with a giant gun this whole time protecting Earth from aliens! Never mind the thousand alien invasions that have taken place!

I opened whatever Cap issue was current on the Unlimited app and first couple pages got the impression that all along Sharon Carter has all along been in one of those ret-con-y secret societies, but this one's all ladies. At that point it's just roll my eyes and go back to reading old Power Man and Iron Fist.

....

Anyway, open mind on this Superman thing if it even happens. Still, in the JL thread I was just saying how I'd like to see those actors continue in the big roles, so can't help feel a little disappointed.


To the best of my knowledge they haven't undone it.

(02-26-2021, 05:25 PM)headless fett Wrote: [ -> ]SB's just upset it's not one of his favorite white writers. Shocker.

As for this...really? Stop trying to make Superman happen on the big screen again WB.





Fett, you're more troll than man at this point.
"Contents of this message are hisdden because simbob is a racist douche."

I'll give this new Supes the benefit of the doubt. For now.
Headless Fett strongly counters being called a troll by trolling harder. That's certainly a way to go about that.
Speaking of racists. I would *love* to see an animated adaptation of SUPERMAN SMASHES THE KLAN. Such an excellent story.
Trusting an IP that has produced more bombs than al Qaeda to JJ Abrams is a very questionable decision.
But it worked out so well for the last two IPs Abrams was involved with!
(02-26-2021, 04:49 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe. But I'm not crazy about there being that many Batmen and Jokers. These things felt a lot more special when we didn't get nearly as many of them..

I get this. I remember being put off by the announcement of Nolan's Batman because I viewed the 1989-1997 films as something that should have been continued and improved on, rather than just starting all over. Like, THAT should be the definitive Batman series, just like Reeve's Superman was and Maguire's Spider-Man was. You continue it, like James Bond!

That was also a time before the term "reboot" was coined and became the go-to term for reviving a franchise, when remakes/prequels had a stigma that Hollywood wanted to get away from.

I still remember TFA being referred to as a "reboot" by many media sites! It's like it lost its meaning.
(02-26-2021, 06:31 PM)headless fett Wrote: [ -> ]But it worked out so well for the last two IPs Abrams was involved with!
He made people a lot of money with Mission Impossible, Star Trek and Star Wars.
Some people forget the "business" part of "show business."

Hollywood doesn't really care if you like the movies they make. They care about how much money the movies you don't like will make.
(02-26-2021, 06:08 PM)simbob Wrote: [ -> ]Headless Fett strongly counters being called a troll by trolling harder. That's certainly a way to go about that.

He’s not trolling.  You’ve made more than one racist post in here.

It’s not surprising you’re whining about one of the most respected black authors currently working.
(02-26-2021, 05:48 PM)headless fett Wrote: [ -> ]I'm suggesting that if you find the movie(s) lacking. The source material is a much more satisfying alternative.

The problem with that is that some of us like the characters but have zero interest in actual comic books. I appreciate them for being sources for some of my favorite films and genres of film. I don't have a thing against people who do like them. But personally, I can think of about a thousand things I'd rather do than read a comic book. They are not a solution. I get nothing from them. 

But, on the other hand, I've still got at least four Superman movies that I do genuinely enjoy. With one being an absolutely grand film that disproves the notion that Superman cannot work cinematically (the 1978 Donner film) and a very good sequel. Plus two others that, despite being obviously imperfect have enough good stuff in them that they genuinely brighten my spirits when I watch them and that's definitely worth something. My major issue is how quickly the powers that be just throw their hands uup and go back to square one. I'm sick of that. 

I'm perfectly content to just put Superman, Superman II, Man of Steel, BvS, Batman, Batman Returns, and The Dark Knight trilogy up on the proverbial pedestal and rewatch those and be happy we at least got them and as for anything new...just hope Black Widow ever gets released. The way Marvel chugs along doesn't leave me wanting for new stuff too much. But, I may just have all the Batman and Superman I need. But no comic book is ever a replacement for such things. I've tried to get into them. They bore me to absolute tears. For the people that enjoy them?...I'm happy for you. Envious even..
(02-26-2021, 08:14 PM)chet ripley Wrote: [ -> ]
(02-26-2021, 06:08 PM)simbob Wrote: [ -> ]Headless Fett strongly counters being called a troll by trolling harder. That's certainly a way to go about that.

He’s not trolling.  You’ve made more than one racist post in here.

It’s not surprising you’re whining about one of the most respected black authors currently working.

No, he's trolling, and I haven't ever said anything racist.

Now he's one of the most respected black authors currently working? I just thought he was a hack that's been writing bad comic books for the last few years. You can spin not being excited about some bad comic book writer writing a comic book movie as being racist if you want, but it's not. If it makes you feel better I've also not been excited about movies made by white people based on their previous work too.
JJ produced Superman? I'm just gonna have to throw my hands up and walk away from this one. I don't have the energy for this sheer gooberness. I'll give it a morbid curiosity watch when it hits streaming.
Can we start this start this thread over and try again?

**It would be in keeping with the WB's apparent new DC-movie philosophy.
After the decisions he made (or, rather, DIDN'T make) on the two Star Wars movies he did...don't let him within 100 miles of Superman. If I have to listen to his corporate vaugey-speak about looking back to go forward with regards to Superman, I'm gonna grind my teeth into powder. I still like the Star Wars movies he made simply through the sheer power of Star Wars but for the love of god, stop him before he kills again..
You guys are loopy. JJ is a great producer.
Until he finagles his way into the director's seat...which hopefully doesn't happen.


One of the few times I really openly come down hard on JJ and the first thing that happens is someone DEFENDS him. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone lol..
(02-26-2021, 09:09 PM)Overlord Wrote: [ -> ]Can we start this start this thread over and try again?

**It would be in keeping with the WB's apparent new DC-movie philosophy.

This is very funny.

You've learned so much from my example.
(02-26-2021, 09:17 PM)atomtastic Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are loopy. JJ is a great producer.

JJ Abrams's track record as a television producer is pretty remarkable.

Now, I would like you to tell me what he's done that makes you believe he is a great film producer.  And I absolutely believe the two mediums are very much an "apples vs. oranges" situation in regards to comparing the required skillsets. Heck, I barely see a track record for JJ Abrams as a film producer when he wasn't also in the director's chair.

**For me to think of someone as a great film producer I need more than just "the films are delivered on time, on budget, and make money." I think those first two factors just establish you are competent and the latter relies on the often mercurial tastes of the general public.
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