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Djokovic's girlfriend has to be the best at her craft.  She is so great at looking both incredibly hot and super worried.

I know the outcome, obviously, but I am still gonna watch this to completion.  Hell of a match.  I just hope that Rafa uses it as motivation for the French.  (Of course, at the end of the US Open Rafa made the comment that it would be almost impossible for Djoker to repeat his year again this year.  He may eat those words.)

I'm gonna say Nadal takes the French. That's his tournament. If it's Djokovic then he's a good bet to Grand Slam this year.

Thought Nadal had it for sure when he was up 4-2 in the 5th. Djokovic was starting to wobble. To overcome that was unreal. Classic match.

In 2011, after beating him in the semis in Paris, Federer had Djokovic on the ropes again in the semis at the US Open.  I can't help but wonder how the state of the men's game would be viewed differently had Fed been able to put Djokovic away.  It seems to go in cycles where, although there are good rivalries, it's really just one dominant guy, as opposed to a back and forth. Fed, then Rafa, now Djoker.  Had Nadal faced Roger in that 2011 final, and won, it'd feel a little more like there wasn't as big a margin between 1 and 2.

Paris is going to be huge for Nadal this year.  If he loses his foothold on that tournament, who knows what effect that will have on him?

I was going to watch some of the match, but it was on too late for me. I woke up the next morning, turned on the TV, and the match had literally just ended. Pretty amazing.

Djokovic has been astonishing the last 2-3 years. I'm still pulling for Fed to win another Slam, but I don't think it's going to happen. I never thought Djokovic's heart would match his talent. I stand corrected.

The dude really does have the capacity to take the big four this year, he's proven himself on every surface now, and he's starting the year with one helluva tough and focused attitude, it's almost scary.

What a fuckin time in mens tennis - it's like we're living in an age of three Sampras' or Rod Lavers. Amazing.

Questions about Djokovic's heart and ability to withstand long grueling matches were answered last year when he was so dominant.  But with every player who begins to dominate, especially in men's tennis, it seems like the commentators go overboard in their assessments.  I sense they're trying to reel in the hype on Novak a bit, because although he does look to be playing at as high a level as we've ever seen, we also said that about Nadal in 2009-2010, and Federer in the four years previous to that.  It would be very surprising to me if he went on a Federer like run, simply because the more slams he wins, the bigger star he's going to become, and he doesn't seem to have Roger's all-business approach.  But even one more year like last year would solidify his place amongst the game's greats... and I could easily see him getting to double digits slams.

I wonder what role, if any, the Olympics will play in this season.  Nadal already has a singles gold... none of the other top men do.  One thing is for sure, if Murray walks away from Wimbledon without a title and the London Olympics without a medal, they might kick him out of the country.

Aah the curse of being a british tennis player - do even slightly well in your career and you have the crushing weight of a century of national expectations crashdown on your shoulders.

Rafa better come out firing tomorrow.  If he allows Djokovic to seize back the momentum after leading two sets to love, he will be in deep shit.

What impresses me about Novak is that his mental toughness in long matches used to be a question mark, but now he's not only answered them, but seems tougher than even the legends in their prime.  He was down two sets earlier in the tournament, and fought it off.  He was down 4 match points to Tsonga, and fought them off.  Now if he can come back down two to the greatest clay court player of all-time, who hadn't dropped a single set all tournament, it might be the biggest show of guts the sport has yet seen.

If he does it, you have to put this run above anything Federer did in his career.  Not that Djokovic will catch Roger in slams, but winning five of six, and holding all four at the same time would be crazy good.

And Nadal?  Nobody can take his 10 slams away, but you'd have to think this would absolutely tarnish his legacy a bit.  Really this match could scarcely be more important for either player.

Remember that Nadal is only 26.  If his knees hold out (a big if) then he could easily surpass Federer's record.  Of course that's assuming Federer retires soon, which he shows no signs of doing.

Barring injury, he's got 2-3 years at best of being a serious contender.  But Nadal doesn't even need to pass Federer necessarily.  All he has to do is get close.  14-15 slams, with his head to head record over Federer, would give him the edge all-time in a lot of people's minds.  But in order to do that he has to stop losing to Djokovic in slam finals, he's got to get back the number one ranking, and he's got to win a few more on other surfaces.  I don't know that he's going to do that.  It's possible if no other great player emerges for a few years, and Novak slows down a bit.  But if he loses tomorrow, it'll be a huge blow.  Remember, he was up a break in the fifth in the Australian final.  If he'd pulled that out, and then this one, he'd be at 12, and Novak would be at 4.  Now it could be 10-6, with Djoker doing something Roger never did (beat him at Roland Garros.)

Before he can worry about all-time records, he has to worry about the guy breathing down his neck.  Novak probably has four more good years in him, and I think will be in better position to steal an extra slam or two around the age of 30 than Rafa, whose game has been so punishing on his body.  Plus, there are two hard court slams a year, as opposed to one on clay, so that is double the opportunity on Novak's best surface, which also happens to be Rafa's weakest.  Djokovic could easily end up with more than a dozen slam titles of his own.

Take care of business tomorrow, and Nadal will have to feel like he's got his mojo back a little bit.  He can go into Wimbledon thinking if he gets this one, he's back on top.  Lose tomorrow, in the slam that he has owned, and he's got to be feeling like he literally has no answer for Novak.

Terribly anti-climactic, but a huge win for Nadal.  His legacy is really complete now.  He can certainly add to it, but 11 slam titles, up there with Borg and Laver, and the greatest clay court player of all time (52-1 at Roland Garros), just an amazing player... and the one I've had the most fun watching since I was a kid watching Boris Becker.

Happy for Nadal, one of the greats. Not so happy for NBC's terrible, tape-delayed coverage. I like McEnroe and Carillo, but it's ridiculous to have things on tape delay in this day and age. Is this the year that ESPN begins full-time coverage of Wimbledon?

Apparently, yes, ESPN will be doing all the coverage.

Wimbledon always seems to have the most stories attached to it.  It hopefully could be one of the most exciting tournaments in recent years, what with the push for Federer to make one last run at a grand slam title, Rafa having gotten a bit of his mojo back, etc...  While Djokovic has to be the favorite, I could see a number of different players having a possibility.  Including Murray.  Plus the Olympics will be played there shortly after.

One more thing, I am amazed Federer can regain the number one ranking if he wins.  Which would put him ahead of Sampras for the most weeks @ number one.  The last record he doesn't have, apparently.

I have yet to check in after having to bow out of the coverage when Nadal seized momentum and they decided to suspend play.  But I wonder if there are whispers (although nothing I would take seriously) about why they needed to stop with 45 minutes of daylight left.  Yes, Nadal should have won even without the momentum, and he benefited from something similar in the French, so I shed no tears for the guy.  But still.... Murray's in his half of the draw.

Anyway, this has to be a disappointment for the guy.  Five straight (healthy) years in the final, and he gets dumped in the second round. A Djokovic-Federer semi almost feels like the de facto final now.  This Wimbledon is definitely not living up to my high expectations.

(and what does this do for his confidence going into an Olympics being played on the same surface?)

I followed the final set at work from my computer, but didn't hear about the delay until I got home. I think Nadal got screwed over a bit; all of that momentum, down the drain.

If anything, I think Nadal will be pissed and more than motivated when he returns for the Olympics.

Can't lie, I'm totally rooting for Fed at this point, and he's looked better than anybody so far. If Murray gets to the Final, is there any doubt that he'll play with two hands wrapped around his throat?

Well he'll certainly be rested for the Olympics...

Fed serving to stay in the match.  I may have jinxed this Wimbledon.

Fed survives. Wow.

I'm calling it right now. This Wimbledon will be the year of the Fish. FISH! FISH! FISH!

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I'm calling it right now. This Wimbledon will be the year of the Fish. FISH! FISH! FISH!

That would be awesome.

Is Federer is starting to look like Connors?

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Federer beats Djokovic, and somewhat handily. If Fed wins on Sunday, will he move back up to #1? Seem's he'll at least go to #2 with Nadal's early exit.

EDIT: From the AP story:

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If Federer beats either Andy Murray or Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in Sunday's final, he will take over the No. 1 ranking from Djokovic and equal Pete Sampras' record of 286 weeks as the top-ranked player.

Stunned that Djokovic lost. Wonder if this extra time off means he'll show up for the EXPENDABLES 2 panel at Comic-Con?

So, Federer vs. Murray. If Fed wins, he goes back to #1, ties Sampras for most Wimbledon titles and breaks Sampras' record of most weeks at #1. If Murray wins, he'll be the first Brit to win the tournament in 76 years, and the British Isle may sink from the celebration. It promises to be epic, although I think Federer will take care of business.

Congratulations to Federer. Murray was impressive in defeat, but Roger was unstoppable today. Murray choking up during the post-match interview was pretty crushing, but he'll be back.

One request to the Wimbledon powers-that-be: If rain is in the forecast, CLOSE THE DAMN ROOF. A 40-minute delay that could have been avoided. Instead, the viewer was forced to endure another Tom Rinaldi weep-a-thon. That guy is singlehandedly keeping the Treacly Piano Music industry afloat.

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Congratulations to Federer. Murray was impressive in defeat, but Roger was unstoppable today. Murray choking up during the post-match interview was pretty crushing, but he'll be back.

One request to the Wimbledon powers-that-be: If rain is in the forecast, CLOSE THE DAMN ROOF. A 40-minute delay that could have been avoided. Instead, the viewer was forced to endure another Tom Rinaldi weep-a-thon. That guy is singlehandedly keeping the Treacly Piano Music industry afloat.

I dunno, Rick Reilly and Chris Connelly are doing their fair share of that crap too.

As for Fed, he was already the greatest of all-time, but what stands out is that after years of dominance, and then years of coming up short in every grand slam tournament, he kept at it despite having already passed Sampras, and nothing really left to accomplish.

Rafa has to be kicking himself.

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I dunno, Rick Reilly and Chris Connelly are doing their fair share of that crap too.

As for Fed, he was already the greatest of all-time, but what stands out is that after years of dominance, and then years of coming up short in every grand slam tournament, he kept at it despite having already passed Sampras, and nothing really left to accomplish.

Rafa has to be kicking himself.

What do you mean "having already passed Sampras"?  He has only matched Sampras at Wimbledon and he needed this win to pass him in weeks at #1 so he kinda had to keep at it and kinda does have to keep at it to "pass" him.  He has a few other things left to accomplish especially if he could rally back next year and finish his career on the highest of notes and pull off the single year Grand Slam or even the non-calendar consecutive Slam.

On a related note I really wish the four bigs were exclusively referred to as Majors and not Slams.  The only time the designation Slam should come into play is when all four are won in a single year. /pedantism

Having already passed Sampras in overall Grand Slams, is what I meant.  Tying him for seven Wimbledon's and 286 weeks at number one is nice, but Federer was already the considered the better, and more complete player.  To keep having that drive despite being past his prime, and having gone multiple years without a major win, is what is most impressive to me about this tournament.  Not that he ticked off a couple more records.

Gotcha.

On another note, anyone feel that Federer's back was bothering him the first two sets?  The announcers kept mentioning, and it was readily apparent, that he was not running around as many balls as he usually does to utilize his forehand.  It seems like needed a set and a half to warm up and loosen his back up.

Checked out the first night of US Open coverage. Federer looked dominant as always. The biggest news I took from last night is that the US has a player named Jack Sock.

Jack. Sock.

This has made me giggle all morning, because I am 12 years old.

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Checked out the first night of US Open coverage. Federer looked dominant as always. The biggest news I took from last night is that the US has a player named Jack Sock.

Jack. Sock.

This has made me giggle all morning, because I am 12 years old.

He's a shoo-in!

First off, farewell to Jack Sock. You gotta think that losing that seed made him crusty.

Second, is anybody else watching Roddick / Del Potro? I find myself rooting for Mr. Decker.

I thought the match was postponed.  I will check it out.  Thanks!

Looks like it will be off and on, but late night US Open action is always fun.

I saw that Mardy Fish bowed out, giving Federer extra rest. Bad news for whoever's up next.

And thus ends Roddick's career, in a match that was sort of a microcosm of my interest in his game.  Looks like he might do something, and then you realize that big serve and forehand only get you so far when you don't really have anything else... so you turn off the match before it's finished because why watch the inevitable?

People say if only he hadn't run into the Federer era, and maybe that's true to an extent.  But even with a less dominant guy at the top, I don't see Roddick as someone who would have gotten more than a handful of slams.  Which isn't nothing... very few guys have 3 or 4.  But his game seemed tailored to a specific window of time that was very short in the grand scheme of men's tennis.  That big serve, few long rallies style of play didn't last but a few years.

Yeah, Roddick's best match of his life wasn't even a win; it was his Wimbledon loss to Federer. We were hoping for the next great American player; it didn't happen, but he was very good. If Federer hadn't stopped him, Nadal, Djokovic or even Murray would have. Nothing wrong with being a consistent Top 10 player, plus he goes home to Brooklyn Decker. He seems like a logical candidate to transition to the announcer booth.

Federer plays later tonight. It'll be interesting to see how he performs after a longer-than-usual layoff.

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