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So the hand will be an issue for Nadal, and now there is talk of the roof being closed, which would be another thing favoring Federer.  Starting to get a little anxious (not that I'll be able to stay up and watch it live.)  Hopefully when I get up they'll be in their fifth hour of a five set classic and I'll get to catch the ending.

I'm hoping for the same, Bailey. I'm DVR-ing it in the hopes that it will be a classic match.

Given the will it/won't it situation with the roof, and how each one favors a particular player, I was going to make a joke about there being a roofgate.  But, wouldn't you know, the roof is actually stuck.  So does that make this a half indoor/halfoutdoor match?  Thus tying back to the original subject of this thread.  Full circle.

Not the classic I'd hoped, but still interesting implications for this match.  Nadal is really on the verge here of doing something special.

Yeah, Nadal's starting to wrest the title of Best Ever from Fed, which kinda bums me out, because I love Roger. I can't deny the power of Rafa, however.

Hold the GOAT, I guess.



Good for Stan.  A little more parity might be nice in this sport, so maybe that is what we're seeing.  Maybe.  However, Rafa blew a huge opportunity.  I expect him to tie Sampras at some point, but being the only guy to get multiple slams on every surface would have been a nice argument against the fact that the majority of his slams are going to be on clay.  The way I see it, now he'll enter the French with a lot of pressure to defend, rather than relatively little.  And he really needs at least one more slam on hardcourt or grass if he wants even a taste of that GOAT.



So a good tournament, but I must admit I'm a little down about this loss.  He gained a bunch of points on Djokovic, and should have at least a few more months at number one guaranteed, if I'm not mistaken.  But slams are the important thing...

WHAAAAA(rinka)?



What a surprise. I knew Nadal had an injured hand, but I didn't know his back was that screwed up.



It looks like Wawrinka will go up to #4, ahead of Federer. On the bright side for Fed, he looked as good as he has in a couple of years during the tournament, but then Nadal decimated him.

I think it's one of those things where, when you have nagging injuries, you compensate for them and it leads to other areas of your body getting hurt.



Interesting that Djokovic has either won, or lost to the eventual champion is 13 out of the last 14 grand slam tournaments (the other time he lost in the semis to the eventual runner-up.)  Nadal is vulnerable at the French, as he was a hair's breadth away from losing to Djoker in last year's tournament (although the same thing could be said about Novak in the 2012 Aussie final against Nadal.  So they're sort of even there.)  I still think he's the best all-around player in the world when right, and has been for a few years.



But that's what I love about Rafa.  In the first half of his career he had to deal with the most perfect tennis player we've ever seen. And now in the second half he has to deal with a guy who is also one of the most complete players ever.  And yet he's accomplished so much through grinding matches out.



Another thing to keep in mind; Nadal is going to be 28 at the end of the French Open.  Even Fed slowed down after 28.  Way down, in fact.  I think he's won two slams since turning 28, and Rafa has to be more broken down than Mr. Effortless at that age.  I think he's going to contend at the French for the next few years, but I wouldn't be shocked if he ends up really regretting this missed opportunity to win one more hardcourt slam, despite the fact that he's number one in the world right now.

Did NBC just offer up a slow-mo shot of Djokovic barfing?

I was so sure Djoker was going to do it this year.  Short of Rafa being out of form, as he was during most of the clay season, and getting knocked out early, everything was set up perfectly for Djokovic to win this.



Wimbledon will be interesting.  I don't think Rafa can win it, but hopefully he can do a lot better than last year (certainly couldn't do worse.)  I still expect Novak to overtake Nadal for number one before the end of the year.  He's due for a GS or two, having lost five of them in a row.

Thinking about all the accolades and accomplishments, at least one Slam every year for the last ten years has to be the most impressive stat of all, to me.  For a guy who has had more than his share of injury troubles, and plays a grinding style, it's just incredible.



I know we have a tradition of posting cheesecake shots, but I like this picture a lot:





I'm fanboying a bit.  King of Clay.

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Did NBC just offer up a slow-mo shot of Djokovic barfing?


I bit down on my lunch at the exact moment NBC showed that.


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I was so sure Djoker was going to do it this year.  Short of Rafa being out of form, as he was during most of the clay season, and getting knocked out early, everything was set up perfectly for Djokovic to win this.



Wimbledon will be interesting.  I don't think Rafa can win it, but hopefully he can do a lot better than last year (certainly couldn't do worse.)  I still expect Novak to overtake Nadal for number one before the end of the year.  He's due for a GS or two, having lost five of them in a row.


Nadal's brilliant, but I do think Novak will dominate the rest of the year.  Fed's on the downturn, and Murray inexplicably fired Lendl as his coach, before hiring Amelie Mauresmo last week.

Wimbledon already?!?



Nadal's currently down in the 1st set. Fed wiped out some shlub earlier today.

ANadal made it to week two. This is potentially problematic for Federer because they are in the same bracket and anytime Nadal has made it to week two at Wimbledon he has made the Finals.

... And Nadal loses. Once again, he lost the first set, but it appeared that he would come back. Nope. Fed takes on fellow Swiss player Stan Wawrinka in the quarterfinals.



Did anybody happen to see Serena during today's doubles match? There was speculation that she was having a migraine. Whatever it was, it was painful to watch. She couldn't even bounce the ball pre-serve. EDIT: more video here. Apparently, she has a "viral illness."

ASharapova as well? Whoa...

Lot of giant-slaying this year.  Dang.

This is Nadal's best showing at Wimbledon in three years I think?  Not a surprise that he lost relatively early... though I figured he'd get to the quarters and lose there.  I believe if anybody but Djokovic wins he will retain the number one ranking (not that I put much stock in rankings, it's about majors won.)

Gotta root for Fed tomorrow. Roger's last stand?

ARooting for an epic match. Not a fan of either guy, though I don't dislike them or anything. I suppose I'll be pulling for Novak.
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Rooting for an epic match. Not a fan of either guy, though I don't dislike them or anything. I suppose I'll be pulling for Novak.

I feel like Novak will win handily in 4 sets, but I'd like to see Fed be competitive.

Did not see Federer hanging in there this long.

Incredible match. I was sure it was over in the 4th set, but Fed roared back. Does this move Roger up to #2 or 3 in the world?

This was more about Djokovic than Federer.  Four straight slam final losses would have looked pretty bad in the prime of his career.  I don't think it would have added that much to Roger's legacy to win this, other than the late career "turn back the clock" thing.  Which is a nice chapter to a legend's resume, but not a necessity.

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Incredible match. I was sure it was over in the 4th set, but Fed roared back. Does this move Roger up to #2 or 3 in the world?


I think Rafa and Fed were both adding points because of early Wimbledon exits last year.  So Fed adds 1200, and Rafa... not sure.  120?  Anyway, Rafa's lead will still be several thousand over Fed.  But Roger will definitely move ahead of Wawrinka for third.

Unfortunate that Rafa's wrist injury is keeping him out of the US Open.  Djokovic had a wrist injury on his racket hand earlier in the year, missed a couple tournaments and was fine.  Rafa gets one on his offhand and has to miss a Slam.  He's really breaking down, I think.  I hope he still has one more great year in him.



Sidenote: I hate tennis fans who look for any reason to cast doubt on the players they root against.  Rafa misses the two lead ups to the Open?  Must be doping to prepare.  Now he's missing the Open itself?  Tennis must be giving him (another) "silent" ban.  Whatever fits their narrative (and as long as those doubts are not cast on whomever they root for) they seem to believe.



With Novak looking somewhat vulnerable since his wedding this is a great opportunity for Roger.  At least as good as he had at Wimbledon, if not better.  But I'm hoping somebody else breaks through.  This is the event to do it at.



And, without further ado,  we give you Tomas Berdych's girlfriend:





What was that about wrist injuries?

I had stuff to add, but I can't remember what it was now. Dammit, Ester Satarova!



It seems that Fed could be the favorite now. I'm tempted to say that this might be his last, best chance to win a major, but I've said that approximately 15 times.

According to the NYT, the USTA has been funneling millions of dollars to its board over the years. This is probably why there are maybe 3 up and coming American tennis prospects right now.

You CANNOT be SERIOUS!!

BERDYCH WINS IN STRAIGHT SETS!



Djokovic loses! I'm shocked.

Not shocked exactly, but definitely surprised.  Nishikori has that gear.  He should have beat Nadal in a clay final this year, but an injury allowed Rafa to escape with what I think was his lone Masters 1000 title this year.



I just hope he can keep it up in the final.  Would love to see him win this tournament, especially with Michael Chang as his coach.

Unless Cilic chokes like Monfils (a distinct possibility) this will be the first slam final without either Fed, Nadal, or Djoker since the 05 Aussie Open.

I'm sure CBS is thrilled. "Nishikori! Cilic! It's the U.S. Open on CBS!"



I watched a little of the last set of Cilic/Fed. It looked like Cilic served him to death. Granted, that can take you far on hardcourt, but it sure is dull to watch.

Very disappointed Kei didn't put in a better showing.  Despite the Croatian part of my heritage, I'd rather have had Nishikori win than a guy who was banned for PED use.



Still, nice we had something new in the final of a big tournament.

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