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Heartbreaking news from the Australian Open: It appears that Tomas Berdych is now engaged to Ester Satorova.

I really wish I could watch the rest of this match, but I need some semblance of sleep tonight.  Hoping for Murray but either guy would be a deserving champion with the level they are playing at.

Well I guess Djoker broke Murrray's will (again.)  Now I'm glad I went to bed when I did.  Novak is a great player, and I am sure he will win many more slams, but I can't help but notice 5 of 8 are at the Aussie Open.  Few seem to bring that up as a negative the way they do with Nadal at the French.  (Not that I hold it against him.  A slam is a slam is a slam... but just pointing it out.)



I wonder how much more of his prime is left?  I think Nadal might finally be shot, and Roger is way over the hill at this point.  (Not that both can't still be occasionally dangerous in the right tournament.)  So unless Murray can break through, who are the real challengers?  Hopefully Stan isn't a one and done.  I think Cilic will be.

Stunned that Stan was able to pull the upset.  Novak seemed like the player of destiny here.  He was winning everything, and if he'd won this I wouldn't have thought it too far-fetched that he could win the grand slam this year.  How many more times can he get so close to winning the French and lose it?  The career grand slam just out of his reach.  He should definitely be the favorite again next year, as Roger and Rafa are both done winning slams, in my opinion.  I think Nadal could maybe have one more in him, but he's suffered too many injuries over the course of his career to hold up well into his thirties, and will be turning 30 around the time of the final next year.



As for Stan, this is the second time he's denied somebody the career grand slam in a final.  Rafa had done it once already, but he was bidding to become the only player to do it twice in the 2014 Aussie Open final when Stan won his first major.  It's nice to see somebody step up, because with Novak's dominance of Murray there are really no rivals for him right now.

Federer surviving this second set tie-breaker. Unreal.

AI know. Some amazing shots. It's like his body doesn't realise he's 34.

Think Novak had like 6 set points. Crazy. Really hope this one goes five.

AHope so. It might depend on who does the fewest number of unforced errors.

Not getting that second set lit a fire under Novak. Was in the driver's seat the rest of the way.

I watched the first set then had to leave. It was clear it was going to be another war, and Djokovic would probably overcome in the end.



I'd love to see Fed win another Slam, but Djokovic is incredible.

You gotta wonder if Fed will win another slam, Djoker is just so dominant and Fed ain't getting any younger. Sadly I don't see it.

Got to watch Serena lose today. Utterly surreal.



Fed-Wawrinka on right now. Fascinating to watch this, because Fed's being prevented from charging the net like he's been able to the past two weeks.

Huge second set win for Federer. Hope this one goes the distance.

AHow can Robert Redford be yawning? Wake up, Bob! This is a helluva match.

Fed-Djokovic was the same it's been for the past few years, at least in majors: Extraordinary tennis, and Fed usually pulls out a set to get my hopes up, then Novak conquers in the end. Kudos to him, but I'd still like to see Fed eke one more major out.

So all this talk about Serena, and Djoker ends up having the better year in the majors.   Roger is showing his quality being this good into his thirties, but he's not the same guy.  Djokovic has a pretty clear path for the next couple of years, at least.  He could easily win more majors after the age of 27 than he did before... which, great as he is, kind of tells you as much about the state of men's tennis as it does how great he is.

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So all this talk about Serena, and Djoker ends up having the better year in the majors.   Roger is showing his quality being this good into his thirties, but he's not the same guy.  Djokovic has a pretty clear path for the next couple of years, at least.  He could easily win more majors after the age of 27 than he did before... which, great as he is, kind of tells you as much about the state of men's tennis as it does how great he is.


Yeah, the era of the Big Four seems so long ago. Nadal fell over a cliff, Murray has disappeared into a career of quiet competence, Wawrinka is 30. The lineup is so thin that Fed can still be the 2nd best in the world into his late 30s, but ultimately, he's still not close to Djokovic.

For all the PED rumors, Rafa has had the most predictable, and historically typical career path.  He's been plagued by injuries, and now that he's nearing 30 he's a shell of what he once was.  (Meanwhile Djokovic chalks up his dominance in his later 20's to giving up gluten.)

With Rafa's withdrawal, this is the first time since 2003 that neither Federer or Nadal can play the French Open.  Both due to injury.   Nadal's about to join Fed on the wrong side of 30, and his injury history makes him seem a lot older than that already.



So, nine years later, the default CHUD tennis thread is probably all but over.  I guess the new thread should be Djokovic vs.Scrubs on Any Surface.

I've got Wawrinka going back to back. Book it!

Dammit, Stan. You've made me look a fool.

I mean, being right about the Warriors comeback, your draft victory-- you're not infallible, Molt.

It's a harsh reality, but one I have to accept.



Wanted Wawrinka because he'd give Djokovic a better finals match, at least at this event. Murray is gonna get thrashed.

Federer owes Stan a beer.  The guy is like his own personal wall preventing anyone from getting close to 17.

Huge win for Stan. Love that he didn't let Novak's mid-match foot massage bother him. Stan straight up dominated from that point.

One cool thing about being consumed with anxiety about the demise of my country is I managed to wake up in time to catch the tail end of the Fed-Nadal match. Congratulations, Roger. If it wasn't official before, it has to be now: He's the GOAT.

Didn't get to see it.   I respect Federer, but I rarely am able to root for him.  Give me the grinder over the golden boy any day of the week.  The Australian Open has been such a source of disappointment for Nadal.  To think after all this he was one set away from flipping that GOAT discussion on its head... perhaps only temporarily, but still.  I guess it's how it had to be.  At least tennis had one more glimpse at the best rivalry the sport has ever seen.

Set my DVR for this. Got up in the morning and made the mistake of keeping the TV on the same channel of the sporting event you want to record. Instantly saw Federer raise his trophy. Oh well, was nice to know it went a strong five sets.



Hopefully they'll both face-off again at a GS final this year but I gotta believe Djokovic is gonna come back with a vengeance.

AI was spoiled by a news alert, as I was watching the final set 30 minutes late! That will teach me to turn my phone off.

Great match. Some amazing shots from both players but Federer's forehand was incredible.

My analysis: Nadal still likes clay.

Stan always has a puncher's chance.  Not today.  That was a whoopin'.



Mardy Fish tweeted out "Man I'm glad I never had to play Rafa on clay."  Andy Roddick responded with a simple, "I did.  It sucked."



For me this puts Rafa beyond Pete.  More Slams, more titles, a better career win percentage, playing in an era with two other top five players all-time.  Yes, it was predominantly on clay, but if a guy had 10 HC slams and 5 grass and clay slams, nobody would call them a one surface wonder.  He played in twelve GS finals outside of clay.  I think you gotta give him his due.

Any thoughts on the current McEnroe/Serena controversy?  It sort of feels like much ado about nothing at first blush, but there actually is a little bit to chew on here, I think.



Listening to the clip of the interview, it really sounds like McEnroe gets annoyed at the way the question was put to him, as if the interviewer was challenging him, which is, in my estimation, why he says what he says a lot more dickishly than he needed to.  Yeah, he was just stating the truth as he sees it, but there is also merit to the idea that he could have just said it's not a good question and moved on.



I can sort of see both sides.  On the one hand, when you rank the greatest boxers of all time, for example, you typically don't bring in weight classes, because obviously heavyweights would beat guys much lighter.  But at the same time, even in boxing they talk about the "pound for pound" best fighter in the world, so even weight classes are not immune to all measure of qualification.  I'm all for judging athletes by their level of excellence in their chosen competition, rather than some hypothetical competition between different genders, eras, or other things that don't factor into reality; but it's also disingenuous to act as if you're comparing apples to oranges, as Sarah Spain intimated on ESPN when she said it's like asking how Tiger Woods would do against a major league pitcher.

A[quote name="Bailey" url="/community/t/97871/federer-vs-nadal-on-1-2-grass-1-2-clay-court/270#post_4314486"]Any thoughts on the current McEnroe/Serena controversy?  It sort of feels like much ado about nothing at first blush, but there actually is a little bit to chew on here, I think.

Listening to the clip of the interview, it really sounds like McEnroe gets annoyed at the way the question was put to him, as if the interviewer was challenging him, which is, in my estimation, why he says what he says a lot more dickishly than he needed to.  Yeah, he was just stating the truth as he sees it, but there is also merit to the idea that he could have just said it's not a good question and moved on. 

I can sort of see both sides.  On the one hand, when you rank the greatest boxers of all time, for example, you typically don't bring in weight classes, because obviously heavyweights would beat guys much lighter.  But at the same time, even in boxing they talk about the "pound for pound" best fighter in the world, so even weight classes are not immune to all measure of qualification.  I'm all for judging athletes by their level of excellence in their chosen competition, rather than some hypothetical competition between different genders, eras, or other things that don't factor into reality; but it's also disingenuous to act as if you're comparing apples to oranges, as Sarah Spain intimated on ESPN when she said it's like asking how Tiger Woods would do against a major league pitcher.
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I guess it is all in context of whether they should get paid the same but the whole way it played out seems rather silly. The two cherries on top were Serena's reaction "I'm trying to have a baby over here, fuck off and leave me a alone" [paraphrased] and the reaction of the guy who is 700th. I don't remember the exact quote but it was something like "yeah, well I may be 700 in the world but I used to be number 30, and uh, I'm still in pretty good shape you know, and besides, she's pregnant, so, you know, no way she'd beat me."

It kinda sucks with the resurgence of Federer and Nadal that this is the one tennis story this year that has lasted in the national consciousness for more than 24 hours.



I think ultimately it comes down to the fact that the interviewer was asking McEnroe a sociological question about how we look at men's sports vs. women's sports, but she phrased it in a way that McEnroe took as being purely a sports question.  Both sides could have handled it way better.  But I guess there's no point trying to clear up the controversy when that doesn't get eyes, ears, or clicks.

Wimbledon predix?



I am not liking Nadal's chances based on his performance the last few days in grass exhibitions.  I just don't think he has it on the surface anymore, whether it's the knees or whatever.



Djokovic is into the final of his warm-up tournament, but I still feel like his slump will continue and he'll flame out before the final.



Murray is apparently hurting.



So that leaves Federer, who apparently has a tough draw in his quarter, but if he gets through I doubt he'll get much challenge in the semis and finals.

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