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- parker - 11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Schwartz View Post

And again, it seems strange to go back to that version of Bond, when Skyfall puts so much emphasis on Bond as over-the-hill.

That's why I don't think they will regress. I think this movie walks such a fine balance, between a reset and critical look at the franchise while also celebrating it, I don't think they're all of a sudden be going back to have him making Moore-era quips and using Connery era-gadgets. The ending, like the rest of the movie, nods at the past while setting the stakes for the future. it proves you can be flexible with the fabric of the material while also keeping stock of the history of the character and what fans of the series expect.

I do think it will be difficult to keep this balance going forward. But if they can do it once...




- Felix - 11-15-2012

Damm, she's hot.




- joseph p. brenner - 11-15-2012




- Spook - 11-15-2012

I've said it once and I'll say it again--nobody does it better than Timothy Dalton.




- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Joseph P. Brenner" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424059"][Image: LL]
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That is awesome. It seems they are using the clip from The Spy Who Loved Me for Moore - it appears he doesn't actually fire his gun. In that film the gunshot exits only as a sound effect.


- harleyquinn22 - 11-15-2012

Dalton swings that leg like a goddamn ballerina.  Craig's looks almost lazy.




- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Spook" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424079"]I've said it once and I'll say it again--nobody does it better than Timothy Dalton.
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I think Craig's Skyfall gun barrel might be the best yet, or at least my favorite. It's beautifully lit, and Craig has an extremely casual walk, not so much cool as just "under cover", like early Connery (or stunt man, or whatever) Gun Barrel. Then he has a really sudden turn and vicious looking shot, with a nasty expression on his face. It ends in a freeze frame where as many of the other gun barrels featured the actor keeping the pose after they fire.


- The Dark Shape - 11-15-2012

ABoth of Craig's gunbarrel sequences feel a bit stiff and 'ah, who gives a shit?' to me. Brosnan's looks the best.


- parker - 11-15-2012

Dalton's is my favorite. Lazenby's "take a knee" approach never jumped out at me until now. Kinda weird.




- dr harford - 11-15-2012

ABrosnans were very crisp, and he was my favorite till this latest in Skyfall.


- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

AMoore's looks like probably the most realistic/accurate firearm handling, though I'm no expert. Two handed grip, what looks like a better stance, less extravagant twirling and awkward posing.


- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Dan Benenson" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424089"]Moore's looks like probably the most realistic/accurate firearm handling, though I'm no expert. Two handed grip, what looks like a better stance, less extravagant twirling and awkward posing.[/quote]

I did an analysis of this on the Bond thread, but Moore only points his gun dead center twice, and once, in the one we see here, he doesn't even fire the gun (a sound effect is the only sign he's fired a shot).

Moore consistently fired wide and to the right, then pointing his gun dead center after he'd already fired his round. You can see it time and time again when you watch those gun barrel compilation videos. His last outing on A View To A Kill is the only time he actually pulls it off convincingly in my opinion.


- avian - 11-15-2012

I could see Skyfall as the third part of a Bond Begins trilogy. At the end of Casino Royale, he's out for revenge. Quantum of Solace shows him coming to terms with Vesper's death and resolving to basically be the coldest motherfucker in the game. Skyfall examines the ramifications of "the mission is everything" and has Bond open up some, ending up at a sort of peace; when Vesper died, he was pretty much quivering with rage and denial, but when M goes, he's able to let go of her, mourn, and then get back to work. We could argue how effective Skyfall (or QoS, for that matter) is at expressing this, but it's a sound character arc.




- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Dr Harford" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424091"]
I did an analysis of this on the Bond thread, but Moore only points his gun dead center twice, and once, in the one we see here, he doesn't even fire the gun (a sound effect is the only sign he's fired a shot).
Moore consistently fired wide and to the right, then pointing his gun dead center after he'd already fired his round. You can see it time and time again when you watch those gun barrel compilation videos. His last outing on A View To A Kill is the only time he actually pulls it off convincingly in my opinion.[/quote]

Ha! Well, so much for that.


- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

AStill, Connery, Lazenby, and Dalton together look like they're doing a dance routine. But maybe James Bond was just the inventor of gun-kata


- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Dan Benenson" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424093"]
Ha! Well, so much for that.[/quote]

And I'm not a fire arms guy, but if I am not mistaken Moore appears to be holding his arms too low in the Spy Who Loved Me one used here. Shouldn't one's arms be out straight, not mid torso?


- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

AIt's undoubtedly not a perfect shooting stance, just slightly more realistic looking than some of the others. When you need to get the drop on someone to your side I doubt the righ technique is dramatically turning and widely swinging your shooting arm into place. But again, I'm no expert. Also was mostly just trying to be funny.


- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="Dan Benenson" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424101"]It's undoubtedly not a perfect shooting stance, just slightly more realistic looking than some of the others.[/quote]

I'd agree with you there, but I guess we're meant to believe Bond is an expert marksman and capable of hitting this sniper at 15 feet or so with a one handed firing stance.


- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

AYes.


- sebastian ob - 11-15-2012

Brosnan and Dalton's gunshots look the best. Lazenby's is just dumb, like Lazenby. I think the world needs to come back around to hating Lazenby, like it was in olden times.

In other news, that gif gives me a headache.




- littlenomad - 11-15-2012

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Brosnan and Dalton's gunshots look the best. Lazenby's is just dumb, like Lazenby. I think the world needs to come back around to hating Lazenby, like it was in olden times.

In other news, that gif gives me a headache.

The first time I saw Lazenby's, I thought it was strange.  Pretty much because they freeze-frame it (well, in any cut of the movie I've seen, it's freeze-framed).  But I really like it now, especially because the blood in Lazenby's actually clouds the view...like real blood would.  Blood isn't transparent.

Also!  In Lazenby's, there is a subtle special effect to make it look like light is bouncing/twirling around inside the gunbarrel.  It was modest but pretty successful.  They didn't try it again until Goldeneye--and they absolutely nailed it there.

One other thing I think I might mention is that, in most cases, the Gunbarrels are filmed once and then used throughout the rest of the actor's tenure.  Roger did two...note the 1977 flares being used up through 1985.  If he had shot a new gunbarrel each time, they would have given him a new set of pants by 1983, at least.  Craig's done at least two (I'm not sure if the gunbarrels at the end of Quantum and Skyfall are identical or not).  Connery did one, and it was used in his last three movies, and if you all are being honest with yourselves, it's terrible.  He loses his balance...it's unbelievable they used that particular take.  Brosnan did one, and Dalton did one...and theirs really work.  Stuntman Bob Simmons was in the gunbarrel used for Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger.




- dr harford - 11-15-2012

A[quote name="littlenomad" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424130"]The first time I saw Lazenby's, I thought it was strange.  Pretty much because they freeze-frame it (well, in any cut of the movie I've seen, it's freeze-framed).  But I really like it now, especially because the blood in Lazenby's actually clouds the view...like real blood would.  Blood isn't transparent.  

Also!  In Lazenby's, there is a subtle special effect to make it look like light is bouncing/twirling around inside the gunbarrel.  It was modest but pretty successful.  They didn't try it again until Goldeneye--and they absolutely nailed it there.  

One other thing I think I might mention is that, in most cases, the Gunbarrels are filmed once and then used throughout the rest of the actor's tenure.  Roger did two...note the 1977 flares being used up through 1985.  If he had shot a new gunbarrel each time, they would have given him a new set of pants by 1983, at least.  Craig's done at least two (I'm not sure if the gunbarrels at the end of Quantum and Skyfall are identical or not).  Connery did one, and it was used in his last three movies, and if you all are being honest with yourselves, it's terrible.  He loses his balance...it's unbelievable they used that particular take.  Brosnan did one, and Dalton did one...and theirs really work.  Stuntman Bob Simmons was in the gunbarrel used for Dr. No, FRWL, and Goldfinger.  
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I definitely think you're wrong about Brosnan doing one. There are subtle differences between his four gun barrels. Craig's Skyfall gun barrel is unique to that film as well.


- mr. stockslivevan - 11-15-2012

ANope, Brosnan only did one and shot it for GE, you can tell by his big hair.


- littlenomad - 11-15-2012

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Nope, Brosnan only did one and shot it for GE, you can tell by his big hair.

Yes, I'm almost certain Brosnan did one gunbarrel, and they re-used it.  I mean, he got it right the first time, and the computer effects were good, so I guess there was no need to mess with it.




- schwartz - 11-15-2012

My but this thread took a turn for the 'spergy.

RUNNING NECK SNAP OHHHH YEEEEAH




- littlenomad - 11-15-2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_PGZtP0UM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

All the gunbarrel sequences, through 2008.




- dan benenson - 11-15-2012

AOh god, those awful 90s techno bits in the themes for the Brosnan films. And the CGI bullet.


- smugbug - 11-16-2012

Haha, that's awesome!  I like the slower tempo of You Only Live Twice.




- machiav - 11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by felix View Post

Damm, she's hot.

Raise your hand if you want them to bring her back  (Maud Adams style!)  in the next film.

So wasted.




- doc phibes - 11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by machiav View Post

Raise your hand if you want them to bring her back  (Maud Adams style!)  in the next film.

So wasted.

I'll settle for The Story Of Severine, about her life before she met Bond or Silva, filmed in the style of 70s European softcore art-porn.




- mr. stockslivevan - 11-16-2012

A[quote name="littlenomad" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424178"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_PGZtP0UM&feature=endscreen&NR=1

All the gunbarrel sequences, through 2008.  
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So, as they are:

DN, FRWL, GF: Bob Simmons
TB, YOLT, DAF: Sean Connery
OHMSS: George Lazenby
LALD, TMWTGG: Roger Moore (flat version)
TSWLM, MR, FYEO, OP: AVTAK: Roger Moore (anamorphic version)
TLD, LTK: Timothy Dalton
GE, TND, TWINE, DAD: Pierce Brosnan
CR: Daniel Craig
QOS: Daniel Craig
SF: Daniel Craig

So, Craig now beats Moore at making the most gunbarrels. One feature I loved in OHMSS and DAF was the colorful shimmering effect (makes me wonder why Binder didn't continue with that in later films), and it looks like Kleinman brought that back for SF.



[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pynxnoIU0Ig[/VIDEO]


- doc phibes - 11-16-2012

This thread is already four pages longer than the entire year's worth of Quantum Of Solace Post-Release Thread posts.

Is it me, or does the title sequence show close-ups of Bond's eyes both as a boy and as a man?




- mr. stockslivevan - 11-16-2012

A[quote name="Doc Phibes" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424278"]Is it me, or does the title sequence show close-ups of Bond's eyes both as a boy and as a man?
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Yup, likely a reference to the priest hole with Bond entering it as a boy and coming out as a man.


- MrSaxon - 11-16-2012

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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post


Yup, likely a reference to the priest hole with Bond entering it as a boy and coming out as a man.

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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post

This thread is already four pages longer than the entire year's worth of Quantum Of Solace Post-Release Thread posts.

Is it me, or does the title sequence show close-ups of Bond's eyes both as a boy and as a man?

Ha. Hadn't noticed this. This title sequence continues to get better and better.




- jhp1608 - 11-16-2012

A[quote name="Parker" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3424087"]Dalton's is my favorite. Lazenby's "take a knee" approach never jumped out at me until now. Kinda weird. 
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Makes most sense of all of them though. Lower and smaller target profile. Particularly if you assume your bad guy is going for a headshot.

I gave that far more thought than it deserved...