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- sirjonsnow - 11-16-2012

Finally saw this today.  It's okay, but far from great.  Better than QoS but, that's not hard and I'd put it in the bottom half of Bond films.

Definitely shades of the Joker with the escape sequence, even mirroring Joker's joyride with Bardem in the SUV.  I hated most of that sequence, I felt insulted when the laptop was brought in to MI6 and knew what was to come - I actually felt an urge to walk out when the new Q hooked it up to the network.

Also, where was the bullet wound from Moneypenny's shot?  The big scar seemed to be from the bad guy, since that's the one he dug the fragments out of.  Or were the two wounds almost on top of each other?




- parker - 11-16-2012

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Makes most sense of all of them though. Lower and smaller target profile. Particularly if you assume your bad guy is going for a headshot.
I gave that far more thought than it deserved...

Heh. When the conversation turns to the Bond title sequence posts at a time, it's nerdy, but fun cool.

When people start discussing things like "which gun barrel version makes the most sense" and criticizing the angles certain Bond's are using, analyzing their stances, etc, well...




- Nooj - 11-16-2012

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Is it me, or does the title sequence show close-ups of Bond's eyes both as a boy and as a man?

I was confused about that too until I saw the title sequence that was made available online again.




- sebastian ob - 11-16-2012

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Also, where was the bullet wound from Moneypenny's shot?  The big scar seemed to be from the bad guy, since that's the one he dug the fragments out of.  Or were the two wounds almost on top of each other?

It's lower. I didn't notice it the first time because the wound he dug the fragments out of us so dramatic, but it's there. He tells Moneypenny that she "broke a few ribs" or something. He actually has several scars on him that could be bullet wounds.




- laurenortega - 11-16-2012

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He actually has several scars on him that could be bullet wounds.

I like to imagine these are all from previous Moneypenny team-ups.




- littlenomad - 11-16-2012

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It's lower. I didn't notice it the first time because the wound he dug the fragments out of us so dramatic, but it's there. He tells Moneypenny that she "broke a few ribs" or something. He actually has several scars on him that could be bullet wounds.

I can't find the Moneypenny wound, Sebastian.  I'm seeing Skyfall again this weekend...where should I look?  What scene is it visible in?  I've only seen the shrapnel wounds.




- brandhay - 11-16-2012

Finally saw this great Bond movie, in IMAX. I was not at all prepared for how much I truly wanted to cheer out loud when the Aston sped down London's streets with the old school Bond theme playing.  Wow.




- chaz - 11-17-2012

When I saw Skyfall, the crowd "ohhhed" when the Aston Martin was revealed. As they should of.




- brandhay - 11-17-2012

Happily, the only problem I have with this movie is such a minor one; occasionally the score would wander into Baraka territory, causing my enjoyment of a spy movie to be sprinkled with Koyaanisqatsi-esque expectations.




- Paul755 - 11-17-2012

A[quote name="Chaz" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/800#post_3425352"]When I saw Skyfall, the crowd "ohhhed" when the Aston Martin was revealed. As they should of.
[/quote]Same here, lotsa whistles too.

Am I the only one that has come to the kinda weird conclusion that Judi Dench is the "main" Bond Girl in this one.


- chaz - 11-17-2012

The movie is just as much about her as it is about Bond.




- s.d. bob plissken - 11-18-2012

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I'll be really surprised if we see the classic style HQ or the Aston Martin (it did get destroyed, after all) in the next film. I think those were tips of the hat for the sake of Bond's 50th, nothing more.

I'll be surprised if we DON'T get the classic style HQ.  I expect M/Moneypenny's office set to be mostly the same, at least.  Q Branch will get a spiffy upgrade from their makeshift digs during Skyfall though.

As for a vehicle?  Expect Bond to have a brand new Q Branch-supplied mode of transportation.  The tips of that hat were not only for the anniversary.  They are intentionally walking down the path towards "classic Bond" again.  The producers, Craig, and the fans have all stated a desire to do so and I have no doubt they will continue heading towards that destination at a slow pace.  I'm not expecting Moore-esque antics and zaniness, but don't be surprised if things get a little more heightened and archetypal in Craig's final two outings.

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When Craig leaves, moving the gun barrel up front could be a good way to signal that change and differentiate the next actor's tenure. For now though, I think we need to stick with the status quo... which isn't all bad.

Part of me thinks they might actually keep them at the end during Craig's run.  The other part of me thinks that they've already decided to return them to the front in the next one to quiet the constant bitching.

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The movie is just as much about her as it is about Bond.

It absolutely was.  M is definitely the main "Bond Girl" of Skyfall.




- MrSaxon - 11-18-2012

The reveal of the car certainly got the biggest reaction in both of my viewings of this movie. I was surprised by this at the first showing because the audience was a lot smaller (I went to the very first showing in the morning, and there were only around twenty or so people present) because I noticed that the audience was quite young. It's quite comforting to know that the majority still recognised it as the Goldfinger car despite that movie being released prior to most of them being born.

Yeah, M was definitely the Bond girl of the movie and, if I'm right, only the second one in the entire franchise that Bond has wept over when she was killed. Good doing, Dame Judy! Incidentally, I know that she retired from the Bond movies because of her eye problems. I do hope she won't be retiring from movies altogether as I really like her as an actress.




- s.d. bob plissken - 11-18-2012

I don't think she has 100% retired from acting, but I don't expect to be seeing a lot of her in the future.  I believe she wanted to retire from the series in a proper fashion though (similar to Desmond Llewelyn in TWINE), instead of just randomly not showing up in a future entry.  She definitely went out like a pro and had a fantastic arc to finalize her character.




- freeman - 11-18-2012

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I'm not expecting Moore-esque antics and zaniness, but don't be surprised if things get a little more heightened and archetypal in Craig's final two outings.

To be honest Splinter Cell always seemed like a good modern take on the crazy gadgets and toys of Q branch.  Modern, sexy, designed as an extension of already plausible or soon to be existing technology etc.




- MrSaxon - 11-18-2012

That's good to know and I agree that she went out like a pro!

Incidentally, this photo always causes me to chuckle for some reason:

I want that hat.




- ska oreo - 11-18-2012

Saw it last night; I liked it, but was strangely cooled about the entire thing. I could recognize what I was seeing was well-made and I do love me some Craig Bond, but I thought it lacked the emotional heft it so clearly wanted to have.

  • Would have liked a bit more introspection into the character. At least more than "HE'S OLD!!!" and "HE'S AN ORPHAN!!!" (And the worst thing about it is--He doesn't have any parents!!!)
  • So wait....He fucked Money Penny and went on two full-on missions with her and never asked for her name once?  I'm sure I'm missing something here.
  • "What makes you think I haven't done this before." I giggled.
  • Javier Bardiem is certainly the star-player here; able to meld a character that's fun, creepy, and outright menacing. That speech he gives to M after he's captured was brilliant.

All in all, it's a solid action film. Whether or not it's a good "Bond" film I don't think I have any right to say, but I was expecting more from this. Maybe a second viewing will change my mind.




- harleyquinn22 - 11-18-2012

He didn't fuck Moneypenny.  Note that the scene simply ends with the shaving.  Not even a kiss.  When's the last time Bond fucked a chick and we didn't see the afterglow, or at least a kiss?  There was heavy flirting, but he didn't fuck her.




- parker - 11-18-2012

I got the sense that after the shaving, they were gonna 00Fuck.




- ska oreo - 11-18-2012

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I got the sense that after the shaving, they were gonna 00Fuck.

This. Girl was asking for some 00-lovin the moment she appeared at the door.




- harleyquinn22 - 11-18-2012

If he'd kept unbuttoning her blouse without her swatting his hand away, maybe.  Once they cut to the next scene and there was no sex shown, I immediately thought, "She's definitely Moneypenny."




- chaz - 11-18-2012

  I don't think Bond used his license to shag with Eve. Bond movies are always crystal clear on who Bond is having sex with.

 While I hope Bond 24 does have a tricked out 2014 Aston Martin, the main reason I wanted to see Q return was for the banter between Bond and him; which they had in Skyfall.




- mr. stockslivevan - 11-18-2012

AThe close shave scene was simply as it was shown: a close shave. Originally, Thomas Newman composed a track called "Old Dog, New Tricks" which Mendes felt uncomfortable with because it sounded too sensual and would have given the wrong message for the scene, so it was replaced with the track called "Close Shave" which gets the scene just right with it's flirty comedic tone.


Original Cue

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n74jpRpPbnQ[/VIDEO]



Cue used in the film

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDLzH05F5Rs[/VIDEO]


- carnotaur3 - 11-18-2012

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The close shave scene was simply as it was shown: a close shave. Originally, Thomas Newman composed a track called "Old Dog, New Tricks" which Mendes felt uncomfortable with because it sounded too sensual and would have given the wrong message for the scene, so it was replaced with the track called "Close Shave" which gets the scene just right with it's flirty comedic tone.
Original CueCue used in the film

I don't know... I really like the original one.




- stelios - 11-18-2012

Are you guys new to Bond movies? He did not bone Moneypenney.




- dan benenson - 11-18-2012

ABecause the Craig run isn't at all known for tweaking the formula.


- ska oreo - 11-18-2012

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Are you guys new to Bond movies? He did not bone Moneypenney.

So are we saying that simply because she's an established character? Seriously, I'm asking because I'm not really familiar with any of the older Bond films.

The way that scene is directed--it looks like a booty call. Two attractive agents just looking to bone each other before a mission. Sure, we don't see the actual act, but the implication is certainly there.

Also: this is kind of a silly argument.




- dr harford - 11-18-2012

ADouble post?


- dr harford - 11-18-2012

A[quote name="Ska Oreo" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/850#post_3425631"]So are we saying that simply because she's an established character? Seriously, I'm asking because I'm not really familiar with any of the older Bond films.

The way that scene is directed--it looks like a booty call. Two attractive agents just looking to bone each other before a mission. Sure, we don't see the actual act, but the implication is certainly there.


Also: this is kind of a silly argument.
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I have to agree. If we are meant to think Bond didn't fuck her, then perhaps the scene was confusingly shot or edited. When we got to the end of the movie, I suddenly found myself questioning my assumption (based on that scene) that Bond fucked her.


- dan benenson - 11-18-2012

AI think that whether or not they did have sex, the movie definitely wants you to think they're abou to in that moment, presumably so that the reveal of her identity is a little more surprising. I guess they probably didn't but I don't think it's so crazy to think they did.

And yes, the reason people would assume they didn't is because the whole thing with Moneypenny in the classic films is that they always flirt but it's never consummated. But then, originally she also wasn't a former field agent.


- stelios - 11-18-2012

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So are we saying that simply because she's an established character? Seriously, I'm asking because I'm not really familiar with any of the older Bond films.

No. We're saying that because if he did sleep with her it was treated differently than ANY of the times Bond slept with someone.




- brandhay - 11-18-2012

I never got the impression they moved beyond the shaving. For one thing, they had work to do. Secondly, it just wasn't implied.




- schwartz - 11-18-2012

I thought it was very clearly implied.  True, it's not as explicit as every other time he beds a Bond girl, but it's also way heavier than the flirting with Moneypenny has ever gotten before.  It's open enough for you to fill it in whichever way suits you, though.




- dr harford - 11-18-2012

A[quote name="brandhay" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/850#post_3425645"]I never got the impression they moved beyond the shaving. For one thing, they had work to do. Secondly, it just wasn't implied. 
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See my problem is I can't imagine a scenario where James Bond backs down at that point. "Huh, OK, thanks for the shave then "Eve", I'll be seeing you around."


- jmulder - 11-18-2012

I think the idea was that they wanted to leave it vague so fans would be wondering and talking about whether or not Moneypenny and Bond have fucked for the foreseeable future of the franchise. They succeeded.