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- doc phibes - 12-18-2012

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I'm obviously not most people, then. I'd love to be James Bond! The women! The gadgets! The great suits! The women! Killing people with strange accents! Drinking on the job! The women!

Man, did I mention the women?

I'm not sure if I read it on CHUD or somewhere else, but an amusing and truthful comment was made about Bond as wish fulfillment after the release of Casino Royale.  The poster said that the old days of Connery and Moore were definitely the stuff that dreams were made of: every guy wants to be irresistible to gorgeous women and be able to bed them constantly regardless of the punishing wave of daily drinking, smoking, fighting, etc.  But the poster said the world of Craig's Bond scared the shit out of him, what with the sudden knife wrestling in public places, getting poisoned, getting your balls half beat off, and so on.  Craig's Bond takes damage, both physically and psychologically.  (And on that note, I wonder if they will try to keep the Skyfall scars in continuity during the next Craig films.)




- harleyquinn22 - 12-18-2012

And it's that damage that makes me attached to him in a way that I never could be with previous incarnations of the character.  He was always so cool that I felt like I was being kept at arm's length from him.  Now, I just want to give the guy a hug and a martini.




- Bucho - 12-19-2012

A[quote name="agracru" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/1000#post_3443321"]Go back to the scene where they first reconnect after Bond returns to MI6. Forget the dialogue. That's not a person who is defined only by self-confidence. She's clearly shaken, and I think-- outside the field, where, as I said, she has no choice but to be confident-- it gives her pathos. 

That's why I think Harris is so great here. She gives a performance that adds much more beyond her lines. If she doesn't keep up appearances in future installments, it'll be a waste.
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Noooooooo, that was the very scene that first sent me on this jag. It was the scene where the film started to lose me a little precisely because her performance was lacking in that way. She's not shaken. She's not even stirred. And it stood out to me because that Craig is so damn good at playing someone who is shaken and stirred but playing the stiff upper lip that her failure is in stark relief.

To me both her performance and Wishaw's felt more on the level of a weekly turnaround show like Spooks or CSI or something than characters worthy of a feature film. Berenice Marlohe had the opposite problem, in that she overplayed her flustered-while-trying-to-be-cool moment to an almost comical level.

God Daniel Craig is great though.


[quote name="Doc Phibes" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/1000#post_3443355"]It's not a question of whether or not Eve can handle herself in the field and enjoy it.  Clearly, she has the skills and the zeal.  The issue is whether she can instantly follow orders and commit to the darker, messier aspects of special ops missions, such as firing upon a fellow agent.  There was no risk of that presented in the casino.  But Eve knows that if she stays in the field, she's going to have to make nasty decisions like that again.  It's the sort of thing Bond can do (like leaving the other agent to bleed to death) even though he hates it.[/quote]

"There was no risk of that presented in the casino" - and that's at the core of the film's failure to properly play out Moneypenny's arc. Everyone knows Maverick has to have the moment where he flies through the jet wash again so he can get re-freaked out and ask Goose's ghost to talk to him while he looks at the dog tags.

But Skyfall doesn't pull that off so it has to tell when it should have showed. That's all I ask. Why can't every movie be Top Gun?


- MrSaxon - 12-19-2012

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To me both her performance and Wishaw's felt more on the level of a weekly turnaround show like Spooks or CSI or something than characters worthy of a feature film.




- doc phibes - 12-19-2012

Yet another reason I'm glad I never saw Top Gun: I don't have to try to see things in Bucho-vision.




- Bucho - 12-20-2012

A[quote name="Doc Phibes" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/1050#post_3443862"]Yet another reason I'm glad I never saw Top Gun: I don't have to try to see things in Bucho-vision.[/quote]

Do or do not.

There is no try.


Oh wait, wrong movie.


You'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong?


- doc phibes - 01-07-2013

"James, you don't care about my career."
"No one cares about your career!  It's Bond 23, not Moneypenny 23!"




- avian - 01-08-2013

If this movie's taught me anything, it's that if you have a gun pointed at the villain while he's on a ladder, order him to climb down the ladder. If he reaches into his pocket, shoot him. It might be a gun, or a radio detonator for a bomb nearby that will cause a subway train to fall on you. If he pulls out a radio detonator for a bomb nearby that will cause a subway train to fall on you, don't let him make an ironic callback to something you said to him earlier. Shoot him. If a bomb goes out with no apparent effect, shoot him. Don't keep him alive to ask "Hey, what was with that bomb for seemingly no reason? Is a subway train about to fall on me?" Just shoot him.

Possibly the first time in history that Bond has exhibited Bond Villain Stupidity.




- SAIRUS - 01-08-2013

A[quote name="HarleyQuinn22" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release/1050#post_3443560"]And it's that damage that makes me attached to him in a way that I never could be with previous incarnations of the character.  He was always so cool that I felt like I was being kept at arm's length from him.  Now, I just want to give the guy a hug and a martini.
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In a shower of course after he plays some cards... ...or in fire after you killed the man that killed your father?


- mr. stockslivevan - 01-09-2013

ASkyfall gets eight noms from the BAFTAs.

http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_23_awards_bafta_nominations.php3?t=&s=&id=03422

Quote:Outstanding British Film
ANNA KARENINA - Joe Wright, Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner, Paul Webster, Tom Stoppard
THE BEST EXOTIC MARIGOLD HOTEL - John Madden, Graham Broadbent, Pete Czernin, Ol Parker
LES MISÉRABLES - Tom Hooper, Tim Bevan, Eric Fellner, Debra Hayward, Cameron Mackintosh, William Nicholson, Alain Boublil, Claude-Michel Schönberg, Herbert Kretzmer
SEVEN PSYCHOPATHS - Martin McDonagh, Graham Broadbent, Pete Czernin
SKYFALL - Sam Mendes, Michael G. Wilson, Barbara Broccoli, Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, John Logan

Supporting Actor
ALAN ARKIN - Argo
CHRISTOPH WALTZ - Django Unchained
JAVIER BARDEM - Skyfall
PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN - The Master
TOMMY LEE JONES - Lincoln

Supporting Actress
AMY ADAMS - The Master
ANNE HATHAWAY - Les Misérables
HELEN HUNT - The Sessions
JUDI DENCH - Skyfall
SALLY FIELD - Lincoln

Original Music
ANNA KARENINA - Dario Marianelli
ARGO - Alexandre Desplat
LIFE OF PI - Mychael Danna
LINCOLN - John Williams
SKYFALL - Thomas Newman

Cinematography
ANNA KARENINA - Seamus McGarvey
LES MISÉRABLES - Danny Cohen
LIFE OF PI - Claudio Miranda
LINCOLN - Janusz Kaminski
SKYFALL - Roger Deakins

Editing
ARGO - William Goldenberg
DJANGO UNCHAINED - Fred Raskin
LIFE OF PI - Tim Squyres
SKYFALL - Stuart Baird
ZERO DARK THIRTY - Dylan Tichenor, William Goldenberg

Production Design
ANNA KARENINA - Sarah Greenwood, Katie Spencer
LES MISÉRABLES - Eve Stewart, Anna Lynch-Robinson
LIFE OF PI - David Gropman, Anna Pinnock
LINCOLN - Rick Carter, Jim Erickson
SKYFALL - Dennis Gassner, Anna Pinnock

Sound
DJANGO UNCHAINED - Mark Ulano, Michael Minkler, Tony Lamberti, Wylie Stateman
THE HOBBIT: AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY - Tony Johnson, Christopher Boyes, Michael Hedges, Michael Semanick, Brent Burge, Chris Ward
LES MISÉRABLES - Simon Hayes, Andy Nelson, Mark Paterson, Jonathan Allen, Lee Walpole, John Warhurst
LIFE OF PI - Drew Kunin, Eugene Gearty, Philip Stockton, Ron Bartlett, D. M. Hemphill
SKYFALL - Stuart Wilson, Scott Millan, Greg P. Russell, Per Hallberg, Karen Baker Landers



- user_32 - 01-13-2013

Guess Tarantino is still bitter that he never got to make his Casino Royale

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The James Bond film Skyfall has been nominated for five Academy Awards and eight Baftas, but it has failed to impress Quentin Tarantino.

“To me, it felt more like an action movie than a Bond movie,” the American director tells Mandrake at the premiere of his latest film,Django Unchained, at the Empire Leicester Square, in London.

Tarantino, whose hits include Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, says it is a mistake for film fans to expect success for Skyfall: “I don’t think that is the one you should be rooting for.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/9796473/Quentin-Tarantino-Why-Skyfall-is-no-James-Bond-film.html




- zak chase - 01-13-2013

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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post

Guess Tarantino is still bitter that he never got to make his Casino Royale

But he's right.




- user_32 - 01-13-2013

Nah he's not.

Great director. Bad opinions on movies. Remember that The Three Musketeers and The Green Lantern were on his top films list of 2011.




- MrSaxon - 01-13-2013

I'd watch Skyfall twenty-thousand times if I meant I never had to watch fucking Death Proof ever again.




- zak chase - 01-13-2013

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Originally Posted by User_32 View Post
Great director. Bad opinions on movies. Remember that The Three Musketeers and The Green Lantern were on his top films list of 2011.

To be fair, Green Lantern wasn't in his top ten. In was in his honorable mention. BUT STILL ...




- schwartz - 01-13-2013

I just want to know who these people are that are forcing Mr. Saxon to watch Death Proof over and over.  What a bunch of pricks.




- mr. stockslivevan - 01-13-2013

AWhat is he right about? It just sounds like he came back from seeing TOMORROW NEVER DIES rather than SKYFALL.


- laurenortega - 01-13-2013

I'm forcing MrSaxon to watch Death Proof over and over again.

BECAUSE I LOVE IT!!!!




- mr. stockslivevan - 01-13-2013

AI see you've been modded, congrats.


- chaz - 01-13-2013

While Death Proof is a good movie with the greatest car chase ever, Skyfall is one of the the best Bond movies ever! Also the Bond series is the greatest movie franchise ever! Just because I wrote this on my eight PBR doesn't mean it isn't true.




- Neil Spurn - 01-14-2013

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Originally Posted by Chaz View Post

While Death Proof is a good movie with the greatest car chase ever, Skyfall is one of the the best Bond movies ever! Also the Bond series is the greatest movie franchise ever! Just because I wrote this on my eight PBR doesn't mean it isn't true.

Dude.  Its called Bullitt (1968).  Look it up.  Even Tarantino would readily admit that Steve Mc-fucking-Queen takes this prize.

Holy shit, this should go in the "things you just realized about movies" thread, but Peter Yeats, director of Bullitt, eventually directed Krull and Night of the Comet.  That's awesome!




- doc phibes - 02-10-2013

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Just thought I'd give the thread a little bump.

I got an early copy of the Blu-ray.  Picture and sound quality are both sublime.  This disc will shoot to the top of your system demo pile.  The extras are so-so.  There's plenty of interesting facts revealed about the production, but they're sandwiched between long stretches of predictable bullshit promotional emptiness.  I would've liked to have seen Bardem's camera test, instead of just hearing about how amazing it was.  Same goes for the model of the Shanghai skyscraper set that they filmed with a lipstick cam as a test... let's see that shit!

Whatever.  What's good is that we're all going to be watching this Blu-ray until our eyes fall out.  Gorge yourselves on these shots!

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Some reviews (with screencaps):

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Skyfall-Blu-ray/45621/#Review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/blu-ray-review-skyfall/14528




- MichaelM - 02-10-2013

This really drops on Tuesday in the US?


Damn. That's a really short window for a major release.




- waaaaaaaalt - 02-10-2013

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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post

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Just thought I'd give the thread a little bump.

I got an early copy of the Blu-ray.  Picture and sound quality are both sublime.  This disc will shoot to the top of your system demo pile.  The extras are so-so.  There's plenty of interesting facts revealed about the production, but they're sandwiched between long stretches of predictable bullshit promotional emptiness.  I would've liked to have seen Bardem's camera test, instead of just hearing about how amazing it was.  Same goes for the model of the Shanghai skyscraper set that they filmed with a lipstick cam as a test... let's see that shit!

Whatever.  What's good is that we're all going to be watching this Blu-ray until our eyes fall out.  Gorge yourselves on these shots!

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Some reviews (with screencaps):

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Skyfall-Blu-ray/45621/#Review

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/news/article/blu-ray-review-skyfall/14528

Ohh fuck this is going to look so good on my projector.




- doc phibes - 02-10-2013

Here's Judi Dench reacting to Skyfall getting the Bafta for Outstanding British Film.

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They cut away just before she swelled up, flew to the ceiling, and exploded.  Just like Yaphet Kotto, except it was from pure joy.

Some nice words on the podium from Michael Wilson and Sam Mendes.




- dr harford - 02-10-2013

AI know how vocal Dench was about her desire to see Skyfall get awards recognition. Very cool.

This is a great moment in Bond history. I hope Daniel Craig gets a Best Actor Bafta or Oscar for Bond 24.


- bailey - 02-14-2013

This was pretty awesome.  My favorite Bond film since Connery's heyday.

Deakins is the MVP here (surprise surprise.)  The film is just so vivid, it was impossible to not be held in the film's sway, even as some of the one liners were falling flat.  And yeah, there's some very convenient/silly plotting, but, really, who cares?  At this point, while I acknowledge and appreciate big actiony type films that somehow manage to avoid silly plots, if I was going to let it ruin my enjoyment of the genre I'm afraid I'd just have to stay away entirely.

The Severine scene left a bad taste in my mouth, but the more I thought about it, the more it worked for me.  This is a world where people are disposable.  Not just the world of espionage, but the world of Bond himself.  I think that Bond's "last rat standing" quip wasn't just a line.  The movie is embracing the idea that in some ways he's not really a good person.  There are a couple instances where he could have potentially saved someone, and didn't for the good of the mission.  I'm not saying he could have necessarily saved Severine, and I don't think we're supposed to think that, but the unceremonious way she was dispatched seemed to me a deliberate choice by Mendes.  Even the way she was standing in the ruins, almost like a ritual sacrifice.

A couple other things that tie into that.  Bond's completely unsentimental about his ancestral home being destroyed, but when his vintage Aston Martin bites the dust, then he gets mad.  And, at the end, when Fiennes asks if he's ready to serve, and Bond repeats, for emphasis "with pleasure."  This movie understands just how much Bond can be seen as a godless character that exists in a world where morality is gray at best.  He does things "For England" because, to him, the ceiling doesn't go any higher than that.  He takes pleasure in luxury, and killing, because what else is there?  He leaves you "shaken, not stirred."

I haven't even mentioned Bardem, but I'm sure he's been talked up to death.  He's so good.  I could see the teeth scene becoming iconic... even with the obvious parallel to Lecter in the "plastic display cage." That's how good he was in it.  He made it his own.  Such a disturbing image.  And I thought my grandpa's dentures sitting in a glass on the nightstand was nightmare fuel.




- harleyquinn22 - 02-14-2013

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Originally Posted by MichaelM View Post

This really drops on Tuesday in the US?


Damn. That's a really short window for a major release.

I saw a sign in front of Wal-Mart announcing the release and was convinced that the date was a typo.




- SAIRUS - 02-14-2013

ABlu-ray, Surround Sound, HD projector...

...it was amazing.


- d.t. - 02-14-2013

Today:

• Work

• Gym

• Dinner

• Beer and Skyfall

This year, my valentine is me. And I'm treatin' myself good.




- doc phibes - 02-14-2013

Kleinman taking the BBC through the title sequence step by step.  Goddamn, this is how the commentary track should have been.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qkmpq




- smugbug - 02-15-2013

Gawd, I love this movie.  It's even better the second viewing.  Got the bluray/DVD/digi for my boyfriend as a Valentines Day gift, but it's really for me.  Heh. I got him a bottle of his favorite cognac, he can have that anyways.

This movie is well scripted/directed/edited and yes, the look of it all.  So good.




- chrknudsen - 02-15-2013

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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post

Kleinman taking the BBC through the title sequence step by step.  Goddamn, this is how the commentary track should have been.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01qkmpq

Awesome! Thanks for posting this!




- cylon baby - 02-17-2013

Plays even better on Blu Ray, and this time Bardem won me over completely. His story reminded me of Hugo Drax in the novel Moonraker. Not that they bear any similarity, but because is both cases the villain is captured by the enemy, fakes their own death or is presumed dead, and surreptitiously build an organization intended to destroy their enemy. (M in Silva's case, England itself in Drax's).

Also caught Silva's real name this time!

It is really amazing how this film walks a fine line between "Grim N Gritty" and "Roger Moore Era Hijinks". As I was grooving to the Komodo Dragon sequence I thought of Avengers and Dark Knight Rises, and how their tone compares to SkyFall. Avengers is more light and fluffy, while TDKR goes overboard on the mock profundity. And SkyFall is right in the middle. That's some kind of magic film making right there.




- mr. stockslivevan - 02-17-2013

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Quote:It is really amazing how this film walks a fine line between "Grim B Gritty" and "Roger Moore Era Hijinks". As I was grooving to the Komodo Dragon sequence I thought of Avengers and Dark Knight Rises, and how their tone compares to SkyFall. Avengers is more light and fluffy, while TDKR goes overboard on the mock profundity. And SkyFall is right in the middle. That's some kind of magic film making right there.
And it's the perfect tone I always thought Bond 23 should have after Quantum of Solace, I'm happy it turned out that way.