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- headless fett - 05-17-2014

Sidenote: When the soldiers opened fire on the MUTO in Hawaii I almost shouted "EDF! EDF! EDF!" but I didn't so no one would think I was a crazy person.




- chris dogg - 05-17-2014

Woah, what the hell did Steve exactly say?  All I see are blank edited posts.




- Fafhrd - 05-17-2014

That he passive aggressively threatens movie talkers with a switch blade to get them to shut up.




- andrevellozo - 05-17-2014

A[quote name="Fafhrd" url="/community/t/150689/godzilla-2014-post-release-discussion/240#post_3718159"]That he passive aggressively threatens movie talkers with a switch blade to get them to shut up.
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Ugh


- waaaaaaaalt - 05-17-2014

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What happens when the other guy is carrying? Or when the other guy not only "gets the message" but gets royally pissed and let's Hauk know it in the most painful way possible?

I'm relatively sedate and nowhere near being a tough guy, but if you produce a knife in front of me and start playing with it as a form of passive aggression, I'm going to come after you with direct aggression.

I was making a joke...about theater shooting I guess.




- jacknifejohnny - 05-17-2014

AApologies. Let's move on, as it appears that Hauk thought better of revealing that kind of thing here. Does Elizabeth Olsen cry and gasp a lot? Does Cranston ever not sound like he lost his job and was served divorce papers on the same day?


- Felix - 05-17-2014

Wouldn't it be awesome if Godzilla had kept that MUTO's head as a Trophy?




- turingmachine75 - 05-17-2014

AI was hoping he would throw it instead of just dropping it.


- headless fett - 05-17-2014

He's the King of the Monsters. The King doesn't need no steenking trophies!




- chris dogg - 05-17-2014

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That he passive aggressively threatens movie talkers with a switch blade to get them to shut up.



Wow.  WTF man.




- grubstreeter - 05-17-2014

I really dug it and keep thinking of it. I won't have the opportunity to revisit it for some time, but I want to rewatch it and I aint the pirating type.



So I put in Pacific Rim. What a mistake that was. A few cool shots, but the creatures seem, well, small now. Granted it's my TV and I saw 'zilla on Imax.



Know what I was thinking - Olsen and Taylor-Johnson do look a bit alike. They'll be convincing siblings in Avengers 2.




- cylon baby - 05-17-2014

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Does Elizabeth Olsen cry and gasp a lot? Does Cranston ever not sound like he lost his job and was served divorce papers on the same day?


This is my main criticism of the film. All the hu-mans are all so weepy weepy. Well at least the Fords are.




- cccc - 05-17-2014

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I really dug it and keep thinking of it. I won't have the opportunity to revisit it for some time, but I want to rewatch it and I aint the pirating type.



So I put in Pacific Rim. What a mistake that was. A few cool shots, but the creatures seem, well, small now. Granted it's my TV and I saw 'zilla on Imax.



Know what I was thinking - Olsen and Taylor-Johnson do look a bit alike. They'll be convincing siblings in Avengers 2.




I read that Edwards made the point before filming that he wanted every single shot of the monsters from a human perspective.  Even during the battle it was seen from people watching it from the office building and what not.  That was such a smart ascetic choice.




- pmr - 05-17-2014

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and I'm tired of seeing obsessed characters fill their walls with newspaper clippings. I recently saw Spider-Man 2 and that cliche was present there as well. No one really does that - just a silly movie thing.



Ha! It's especially anachronistic in the age of print being dead.



As for my nitpick, I'm done with the military fetishism in big movies. Sure, they have every reason to be there in a situation like this, but the less seen from their POV, the better. More story, less recruitment ads, Hollywood.




- cylon baby - 05-17-2014

Yeah Military and Godzilla go together.




- Reasor - 05-18-2014

A[quote name="Cylon Baby" url="/community/t/150689/godzilla-2014-post-release-discussion/250#post_3718238"]Yeah Military and Godzilla go together.
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This. And in any event, the final battle in Bay's first Transformers was a good example of military fetishism; what I saw in Godzilla, on the other hand, were the almost completely ineffectual efforts of people whose line of work happened to put them where the kaiju were. That the EOD guy even failed to shut the bomb down came as a complete surprise to me, and I'm used to how this franchise typically treats the armed forces. It's part of the package: Godilla's there to do what Man can't.


- crazy jim - 05-18-2014

A friend's girlfriend who viewed the film with us made a similar observation about military fetishism after the screening and I just didn't see it.  I felt like the military had more bad ideas than good ones in this.



Here was my feelings on this film, as shared on social media, after the screening:



Thoughts on the new Godzilla.... As a movie-goer, I have often wondered over the years if I had become just too cynical to enjoy big-budget special effects blockbusters or if the stories just aren't that engaging anymore. This was the movie I had been waiting for. The film had a few modern filmmaking techniques that I am notably often not a fan of (CGI, shaky cam) but in the end, it is about what ...is done right and this movie brought me back to a time when a seemingly outlandish premise such as giant monsters crushing cities could be exciting. Like the classic monster films of the 70's and 80's, this one takes its time unraveling and enjoys playing on the audience's expectations a little. Without spoiling too much, if you're on the fence, go see it. Spend the $12 or $15 or whatever ridiculous amount movie theaters are charging, these days, and see it on the biggest screen with the best sound system. This is not one you will want to experience at home on DVD or Blu-Ray for the first time.


On a post-note, I have heard quite a few complain about "not enough Godzilla" but I felt he was utilized just enough to make his appearances truly exciting when they happened. To each his own though.



- kriegaffe - 05-18-2014

AI liked it, but it was the dual tone of 'serious contemplation about the hubris of mankind' and 'monsters smashing stuff up' that bothered me.

The shot on TV of the Honolulu fight was what did it. Seeing them duking it out on the small screen turned a scary horror/disaster/conspiracy movie into the realms of monster-wrestling.

I did enjoy the rest of the film, but I found the spell was broken at that point. For me it was not that the humans were boring, but the whole thing had an air of silliness about it that I found it hard to reconcile.

So definitely worthwhile film. A few absolutely amazing shots and moments, but ultimately good-but-not-great.


- sirjonsnow - 05-18-2014

Just got home from seeing it.  Pretty good, but I thought the sound was a little weird - for the most part you'd hear lots of monster roaring, but no thunderous footsteps and the buildings crashing down were muted in comparison.  There were moments where you did have those noises, but it was odd how often those sounds felt left out.




- Paul755 - 05-18-2014

Loved it. A bit surprised they killed Cranston off so early. Fight scenes were good, especially loved that they teased us with only bits of the Hawaii fight being shown as a news report.



The big battle was worth it just to see Godzilla "power up" through the fog. And the scenes of the halo drop through the thunderstorm were just gorgeous.



Good crowd too. Lots of ooh and ahhs. One dude even yelled out "hell yeah" when Watanabe says "let them fight". Pretty sure he was drunk.




- doc phibes - 05-18-2014

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Just got home from seeing it.  Pretty good, but I thought the sound was a little weird - for the most part you'd hear lots of monster roaring, but no thunderous footsteps and the buildings crashing down were muted in comparison.  There were moments where you did have those noises, but it was odd how often those sounds felt left out.



Yeah. It's half of a stylistic choice and half just plain dumb contrivance to get the kaiju right on top of people before they notice, allowing Edwards his strict human perspective shtick (an idea which has been around for a while).






- muzman - 05-18-2014

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A friend's girlfriend who viewed the film with us made a similar observation about military fetishism after the screening and I just didn't see it.  I felt like the military had more bad ideas than good ones in this.




It wasn't just that either.  The tone of military in this was quite restrained and reasonable, in general (lol).  If you're sick of military stuff the movie isn't going to help.  But compared to someone like Bay, the shouty jingoism was thankfully absent.  Or the Gomer Pyle-esque stuff Bay and Emmerich include.  My gal pal pointed out that there was none of the cutting back to the Pentagon and "Get the President on the line!"  sort of business which was actually wonderful.  I liked the movie even more when she said that


I particularly loved the stuff of the fleet just basically escorting G as he paddles along.  Just helpless to do anything but 'keep a close eye on the situation'.


Reminded me of the footage of the tsunami approaching Japan actually.  That vibe of - we know what's coming and there's absolutely nothing we can do about it except really damage control afterwards.




- doc happenin - 05-18-2014

I am envious of all of you who could commit wholesale to loving this movie. It's a movie I so, so want to love but I can't get past the fact that I do not care about anyone or really anything in the movie. My god, it's beautiful at times, the Halo drop, Godzilla going over 9000, all of that's great. But everything else, I was never engaged nor felt any connection to, they were just hallways I needed to walk down to get to my far more interesting Kaiju Big Battel Class. I didn't really find it Jaws-esque in its teasing and build up, because I didn't feel any suspense or slowly building fear.



Edwards has got a great eye, but this left me so-so.




- cccc - 05-18-2014

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I am envious of all of you who could commit wholesale to loving this movie. It's a movie I so, so want to love but I can't get past the fact that I do not care about anyone or really anything in the movie. My god, it's beautiful at times, the Halo drop, Godzilla going over 9000, all of that's great. But everything else, I was never engaged nor felt any connection to, they were just hallways I needed to walk down to get to my far more interesting Kaiju Big Battel Class. I didn't really find it Jaws-esque in its teasing and build up, because I didn't feel any suspense or slowly building fear.



Edwards has got a great eye, but this left me so-so.



It happens bro.




- JMurdoch - 05-18-2014

Havent read the thread yet, wanted to get my thoughts down having just got back from the theatre.



I was a big Godzilla fan as a kid.  Had lots of the VHS tapes of the Showa era titles.  Loved the destruction aspect of the action as most kids do but I think what I liked more was the character of Godzilla.  He had personality and didnt take crap from any other monsters or us pesky humans.  I liked that he had sidekicks in Anguirus and Mothra and that he would sometimes be a good guy and other times the villain.  Godzilla '98 was like a shit sandwich after I hyped myself up into expecting something else (ie something entertaining).



So now we have this 2014 version.  I was very pleased with it because they got the character of Godzilla himself right.  There's a personality to him and an intelligence behind his eyes.  The human characters have always been secondary but I liked what Watanabe does here.  His sense of awe when looking at Big G is what the 10 year old Jmurdoch felt watching these movies.  Most everyone else is pretty standard stuff but at least our main hero wasnt a snarky jerk.



The film making on display was very sollid.  I liked the long takes that pulled back far enough to see what's going on, combined with the street level views as Godzilla fights in San Fran.  Really good sense of what it would be like if something this large was stomping its way down the street at you.  3D wasnt necessary but it didnt hurt things.



So yeah, count me a fan.  I say for the sequel serve up  a new batch of human characters (keep Watanabe) and could we get Gigan in the mix?  He was one of my favorites.



Best moment:  Atomic breath baby!




- headless fett - 05-18-2014

Apparently if Edwards gets the go ahead on a sequel he wants to bring Monster Island into the mix but I have a feeling the next kaiju Godzilla will contend with will be Mothra, who will team up with him to face some new threat.



Loved loved LOVED how Big G finished off the female MUTO.



I really want to see this again and own the Blu-Ray.



Just read that GODZILLA 2 is a go! YES!




- MichaelM - 05-18-2014

Am I the only one who finds Mothra....boring?




- Nooj - 05-18-2014

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Apparently if Edwards gets the go ahead on a sequel he wants to bring Monster Island into the mix but I have a feeling the next kaiju Godzilla will contend with will be Mothra, who will team up with him to face some new threat.



I hope Monster Island actually turns out to be a peninsula.



"Don't worry.  It's just a name."




- warren peace - 05-18-2014

How to make people love a movie with 30 seconds of interesting material and two hours of monotony: convince them that the boring stuff is part of a grand cinematic tradition! Movies in this series had long stretches of cinematic paint drying forty years ago, so the new one should too!




- bigmclargehuge - 05-18-2014

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How to make people love a movie with 30 seconds of interesting material and two hours of monotony: convince them that the boring stuff is part of a grand cinematic tradition! Movies in this series had long stretches of cinematic paint drying thirty years ago, which makes it OK today!



I think that it's a lame excuse, and not even true. The best Godzilla films have interesting character moments. I wouldn't rank this among the best of the Godzilla films.




- headless fett - 05-18-2014

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Am I the only one who finds Mothra....boring?



If you were a being made out of wool you wouldn't be saying that!




- big unit - 05-18-2014

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Originally Posted by Warren Peace View Post
 

How to make people love a movie with 30 seconds of interesting material and two hours of monotony: convince them that the boring stuff is part of a grand cinematic tradition! Movies in this series had long stretches of cinematic paint drying forty years ago, so the new one should too!


Yeah  I find it a bit weird how some of the biggest defenders of the movie are using the 'well thats how its always been!' defense in regards to the boring humans. Shouldn't we be asking for more, and not just accepting it because that's how its been for 40 years?




- chaz - 05-18-2014

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This. And in any event, the final battle in Bay's first Transformers was a good example of military fetishism; what I saw in Godzilla, on the other hand, were the almost completely ineffectual efforts of people whose line of work happened to put them where the kaiju were. That the EOD guy even failed to shut the bomb down came as a complete surprise to me, and I'm used to how this franchise typically treats the armed forces. It's part of the package: Godilla's there to do what Man can't.

    While Ford is a flat character, I did like that was he was a normal guy and not some male model looking dude who thought he was being macho when he just looked silly; like in the Transformers movies.



    I wouldn't call the human characters boring. I would say adequately keep the story moving when the monsters aren't in the scene. Watanabe plays his character well, even though he mostly just provides exposition.



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 I'm there when the sequel comes out. It would be cool if movie has new monsters on Monster Island. I have seen Godzilla fight Ghidorah, and Mothra before; it would be cool to see something new. The MUTOs where new and they where when designed and has personality.I don't see why they can't do it again. Someone mention Gigan a few posts back. That could work too. Gigan is a great design, but of the three movies he has been in, only one has been good. He deserves to be in another good one.




- cccc - 05-18-2014

AI'm really curios to see what they do next. Monster island?


- chaz - 05-18-2014

Monster Island is what Edwards has said he would like to do next.