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- fatherdude - 03-15-2016

The shot composition was traditional in a way I greatly appreciated, but he utterly wrecked the visual continuity of the series with his grading and bloom-lighting choices.




- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

People keep wanting to get Chris Pratt involved, what about as a villain or at least rival?




- Stale Elvis - 03-15-2016

AI'd be happy if he turns up in the first scene and Indy punches him the fuck out. Then on to business.


- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

ABarry, would you please get off Pratt's dick? Not every movie has to star him and Chloe Bennett.


- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

What now? Although I like Pratt, championing him hasn't been my thing. I'm just saying it might be fun to turn the young Indy fancasting on its head and make him a villain.




- MrSaxon - 03-15-2016

Mark Rylance seems to be Spielberg's new best friend, so I'm 75% certain that he'll show up in this as either a villain or an ally of Indy.




- dilla7 - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="Barry Woodward" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/120_40#post_4031861"]So, which actors could you envision playing a villain in this?
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- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

YES!




- Stale Elvis - 03-15-2016

ADear God I bet she shits ice cream.


- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

AIndy would just give up at the sight of her.

"Okay, you can have the artifact. Just one thing. Before you execute me, please sit on my face for five minutes. That's all I need."


- carnotaur3 - 03-15-2016

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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Speilberg, Ford, Kasdan.

No Lucas. No JJ.

Dare we dream?


It's the most likely scenario at this point. Kasdan is now connected to the Mouse House through Star Wars, and his Han Solo script is done with no plans on working with the next films. No need to keep dreaming, just look for the news.



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More likely David Koepp will be summoned back and I will be able to dismiss the project outright with a lot less hassle.


Koepp was only settled on last time due to fast tracked rewrites. He was signed on as a problem sovlver / script doctor.




- fatherdude - 03-15-2016

Spielberg called him the "closer," but he nonetheless performed a page one rewrite.  Decided-upon elements from prior drafts were kept, but he was definitely not a script doctor.




- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

According to the Crystal Skull home video doc, David Koepp was pushing for the film's title to be INDIANA JONES AND THE SON OF INDIANA JONES.




- Paul C - 03-15-2016

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More likely David Koepp will be summoned back and I will be able to dismiss the project outright with a lot less hassle.


That reaction is why I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Kasdan have at least some token involvement. Hollywood is getting wise to the publicity benefits of attaching a symbolic name to a project to get the hardcore fans onside, like the new Star Trek series getting Nicholas Mayer involved. And Kasdan on Star Wars of course.




- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

After THE SIXTH SENSE, Spielberg hired M. Night Shyamalan to write an Indiana Jones script.




- user_32 - 03-15-2016

Kasdan is 100% involved. There's no way he and Ford weren't spitballing out ideas while filming Force Awakens.



And Spielberg just worked with his E.T. writer, so why not his Raiders writer as well. Everybody wins!




- fatherdude - 03-15-2016

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After THE SIXTH SENSE, Spielberg hired M. Night Shyamalan to write an Indiana Jones script.



As far as I know he never wrote a thing for Indy.  The story goes he was approached, but he sensed a lack of commitment from the Beards and didn't end up becoming involved beyond some talks.



The chronology of the screenplays for Indy4 can be found here.




- peterkapow - 03-15-2016

I'm all for this idea about passing the baton to Short Round.



I thought it was a real missed opportunity to not bring back Short Round in 4, as he could have made for an interesting competitive dynamic with Mutt, and tension could have milked regarding his heritage, as underutilized characters like the FBI agents would have considered him a potential spy for the Russians/PRC. It would have been really easy to replace Winstone's character with him too.




- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="PeterKapow" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/150_50#post_4031923"]I'm all for this idea about passing the baton to Short Round.

I thought it was a real missed opportunity to not bring back Short Round in 4, as he could have made for an interesting competitive dynamic with Mutt, and tension could have milked regarding his heritage, as underutilized characters like the FBI agents would have considered him a potential spy for the Russians/PRC. It would have been really easy to replace Winstone's character with him too.
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Would have liked a cameo of him at the wedding. I know Spielberg isn't find of TEMPLE, but it would have been a nice touch. Not having Short Round attend the wedding is like Dick Grayson not attending Bruce Wayne's wedding.


- fatherdude - 03-15-2016

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as underutilized characters like the FBI agents would have considered him a potential spy for the Russians/PRC.



Darabont handled that whole subplot loads better.  His first act plays out like a Hitchockian, THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH scenario where Indy is running from the Feds and the Reds at the same time, forced to vamoose so he can clear his name.  (There's a bit of a noirish element to this section as well, which I thought was a smart callback to the nods to noir in RAIDERS).  An agent who's tasked with tailing Indy actually winds up along for the main adventure, explaining how Indy gets exonerated at the end.



In the final version, Indy's trouble with the government ends up being set dressing, a setup without payoff.  It's not even clear why the hell he gets his job back at the end.  There's that scene in the diner where the KGB agents approach Indy and Mutt, and Indy initially thinks it's the FBI, which probably would have been better.  Indy doesn't feel sufficiently motivated to go to Peru in the first place in CRYSTAL SKULL...it would have at least been more dramatic if he didn't have a choice.




- ryoken - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="Stale Elvis" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/100#post_4031884"]Dear God I bet she shits ice cream.[/quote]

What flavor of ice cream?
Also, yes on that villain choice.


- carnotaur3 - 03-15-2016

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Spielberg called him the "closer," but he nonetheless performed a page one rewrite.  Decided-upon elements from prior drafts were kept, but he was definitely not a script doctor.


It was not a purely page one rewrite. He was tasked to piecemeal the script together from all of the drafts into something workable and do it even while on set. There was no time to come up with anything completely new and of his own. It was constrained from the get-go. I call that script doctoring.




- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

What's Drew Goddard up to?




- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

ABeing a hack?


- barry woodward - 03-15-2016

What? He's great. Didn't he work with Spielberg on Robopocalypse? If they can't get Kasdan, they could do worse than the writer of THE MARTIAN.




- fatherdude - 03-15-2016

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It was not a purely page one rewrite. He was tasked to piecemeal the script together from all of the drafts into something workable and do it even while on set. There was no time to come up with anything completely new and of his own. It was constrained from the get-go. I call that script doctoring.



I don't disagree that Koepp's version comes off as something of a Frankenstein monster, and in a sense it is, but it's his script from cover to cover.  He was given a year to write it and, yes, was provided with all of the previous scripts and no doubt had certain pre-existing elements imposed on him, but it's not like he was just assembling his work from the pages of other drafts or simply doing a pass of polish.  He wrote a new screenplay.



As for the on-set rewrites or a general climate of being rushed, that's pretty common regardless of a project's history of development hell.  (I believe in this case there was some pressure to outrun the WGA strike.)



This is all covered more thoroughly in that big glossy Making Of Indiana Jones book that was put out several years ago, and many of the finer details left my brain after I read through it at a bookstore once.




- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="Barry Woodward" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/150#post_4031950"]What? He's great. Didn't he work with Spielberg on Robopocalypse? If the Kasdan thing doesn't happen, we could do worse than the writer of THE MARTIAN.
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THE MARTIAN was awful. Made me far more appreciative of THE FORCE AWAKENS.


- Dent6084 - 03-15-2016

Willing to give this a shot for two reason:


1.  Crystal Skull is no longer Ford's swan song as Indy


2.  As much as we rag on the aliens, a "groupmind" vs. "nuclear family" plot is actually a pretty clever way of distilling '50s Americana into pulp themes, so I'm intrigued to see what they would do for the 60s.  The Space Race is the thing that immediately leaps to mind, but I'm guessing they're not going with that post-KOTCS.




- Stale Elvis - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="Mr. Stockslivevan" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/150#post_4031957"]
THE MARTIAN was awful. Made me far more appreciative of THE FORCE AWAKENS.[/quote]

The Martian wasn't awful, it just wasn't anything near as great as what it was being touted as.


- mr. stockslivevan - 03-15-2016

A[quote name="Stale Elvis" url="/community/t/155331/indiana-jones-and-youre-actually-fucking-serious-pre-release-discussion/150#post_4031962"]
The Martian wasn't awful, it just wasn't anything near as great as what it was being touted as.[/quote]

No kidding. I kept hoping Matt Damon would die in the film but it kept disappointing me with more snarky humor. It's like Whedon somehow script doctored it and put in his worst traits.


- Stale Elvis - 03-15-2016

ASet it in the Scottish Highlands or in Ireland - perhaps go after something from Celtic mythology.

Or follow through with the Arthur legend and have him try to find the Isle of Avalon.

Wherever it's going to be set, get Ford and Speilberg out of the studio and go shoot in the real world.


- agentsands77 - 03-15-2016

AI'm glad this is happening, but I'm also apprehensive. I anticipate that this will turn out to be RAIDERS OF THE FORCE AWAKENS.


- user_32 - 03-15-2016

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it just wasn't anything near as great as what it was being touted as.


Yeah, but that's said pretty much about any critically acclaimed film that also does well at the box office.




- carnotaur3 - 03-15-2016

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I don't disagree that Koepp's version comes off as something of a Frankenstein monster, and in a sense it is, but it's his script from cover to cover.  He was given a year to write it and, yes, was provided with all of the previous scripts and no doubt had certain pre-existing elements imposed on him, but it's not like he was just assembling his work from the pages of other drafts or simply doing a pass of polish.  He wrote a new screenplay.



As for the on-set rewrites or a general climate of being rushed, that's pretty common regardless of a project's history of development hell.  (I believe in this case there was some pressure to outrun the WGA strike.)



This is all covered more thoroughly in that big glossy Making Of Indiana Jones book that was put out several years ago, and many of the finer details left my brain after I read through it at a bookstore once.


I thought he had much less than a year, like just a few months. If he had that long then my bad.




- Stale Elvis - 03-15-2016

AHis bad too.