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Not this 5h1t again...CA split - vtran - 06-13-2018

As if there wasn't more important political crap to deal with, now we have this neo-libertarian bullshit again....

Radical plan to split California into three states earns spot on November ballot


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - farsight - 06-13-2018

This is his third try... the guy keeps spending millions of dollars to put these initiatives on the ballot when they have no hope of succeeding.

What a weird windmill to tilt at.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - MichaelM - 06-13-2018

You'd think with a plan this audacious he'd come up with more creative names for the new states.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - boone daniels - 06-13-2018

California, Baja, and Monterey. Not hard.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - MichaelM - 06-13-2018

Much better.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - vtran - 06-13-2018

Hippypotland

Richfuckerbeachtown

Hollydesertwood


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - ryoken - 06-13-2018

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RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - boone daniels - 06-13-2018

That being said, who the fuck knows? Three states is a lot more comprehensible than six, and you're already seeing a lot of places/counties in rural CA push back against Brown's "sanctuary cities" policies. If that vein is tapped...could get nuts.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - schwartz - 06-13-2018

I'm okay with chopping up California and Texas, if we can combine other states while we're at it. Who the fuck needs two Dakotas anyway? Also give Maine back to Massachussetts, and set up New Vermontshire, Mississibama, Wyolorado, Nebraskansas, Missourinsas, and the newly minted state of Puerto Columbia.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - scottieferguson - 06-13-2018

I'd say have all of New England secede, but all our exports are pretty much tied to the defense industry. I'm guessing casinos and real estate for rich New Yorkers wanting green space wouldn't fill the gap.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - farsight - 06-13-2018

(06-13-2018, 02:21 PM)boone daniels Wrote: That being said, who the fuck knows? Three states is a lot more comprehensible than six, and you're already seeing a lot of places/counties in rural CA push back against Brown's "sanctuary cities" policies. If that vein is tapped...could get nuts.

rural CA can't pass it. They lack the votes to even make it close.

Plus, rural CA is a lot of farming, and without immigrants, they're all bankrupt. Some of them even understand that.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - turingmachine75 - 06-13-2018

I think you can throw San Bernardino, Orange, and San Diego counties in the 'rural' pile.

Maybe not San Diego . . . but I seem to recall they have a somewhat large conservative population.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - jhp1608 - 06-13-2018

Don't say that. San Diego has always been my west coast of the US (with sun and not much rain) destination of choice.

I'm a nautical nerd. Plus it's near the Kahn buildings at the Salk Institute in La Jolla. That'll do.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - turingmachine75 - 06-13-2018

Well, there's Long Beach only an hour or so north of San Diego. Ocean-side. Incredibly diverse. We have an aquarium. Good schools. Great parking. World's busiest port.

We have the Sea Scouts.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - farsight - 06-13-2018

Eh, SoCal's not voting for this. They know where their water comes from.

Parts of rural CA may not know where their county and city money comes from, or that they'd be homeless without immigrant labor, but this vote doesn't have an electoral college.

I find it weird that the story has gotten so much coverage. This is the sixth time in the last decade people have tried to push this kind of idea through, and the third time for the guy behind this version. His last attempt failed when it was discovered that 70,000 signatures were forged.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - history buff - 06-13-2018

Yeah, this is quite stupid. I live in SoCal, just east of L.A. and the idea that we'd somehow be a separate state from NoCal or San Diego or further east like the Inland Empire, is total pie in the sky. California is so large and diverse that of course people are going to have different political and social views. But, we are still a very progressive state, it sometimes feels like we're living in another century compared to some states (see: The Bible Belt) that I'm perfectly happy the way things are.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - commodorejohn - 06-13-2018

You should try trekking up to Gold Country sometime. Get rid of all the wineries and it's pretty much Kentucky.

That said, yeah, they've been trying to do this for years and it never, ever goes anywhere, because the Central Valley needs the immigrant labor the secessionists want to get rid of and everywhere else needs the Central Valley's produce and water, and there are too many people in the state who aren't stupid enough to not realize that for it to pass.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - Paul755 - 06-13-2018

(06-13-2018, 03:10 PM)schwartz Wrote: I'm okay with chopping up California and Texas, if we can combine other states while we're at it.  Who the fuck needs two Dakotas anyway?  Also give Maine back to Massachussetts, and set up New Vermontshire, Mississibama, Wyolorado, Nebraskansas, Missourinsas, and the newly minted state of Puerto Columbia.

Hey don’t make us merge with that wasteland up there. We’ve already got enough rural idiots in the NE and SW corners of Colorado. Merge Wyoming with Montana and Idaho.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - schwartz - 06-13-2018

Adding Wyoming to Colorado is an entire state's worth of acreage paired with a single county's worth of population. You can pull through.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - justinslot - 06-13-2018

I do think that splitting up California is the only semi-realistic way to address the fact that Californians are massively underrepresented at the federal level, as in the Senate and (more crucially) during Presidential elections. There's no reason to believe we won't keep having popular vote loser presidents given the demographic imbalances (a bunch of low population states with right wing electorates) which is bad for national stability in the long run. But the people who keep launching these ballot measures always seem to be rightwing cranks.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - Rylander - 06-13-2018

This news doesn't deserve the sensationalist coverage it has received. I've been hearing it all day but cannot take it seriously.

And I won't be voting for it. The obvious takeaway is that the San Diego Bakersfield Fresno southern piece would vote red. Fuck that. That's the Nunes-Issa-Rohrbacher districts.

The middle coastal piece is said to be LA County up the coast to Monterey.

But yeah, we ain't voting for this.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - farsight - 06-13-2018

(06-13-2018, 07:03 PM)commodorejohn Wrote: You should try trekking up to Gold Country sometime. Get rid of all the wineries and it's pretty much Kentucky.

Eh, that's pretty much where I live. The area votes Republican, but is much quieter about it than a true red state. I can't recall the last time I ran into anything MAGA-related. Mostly seems to be Reagan-era elephants and their kids who never considered anything else.

Honestly, I think if you quizzed most of the Republicans here about their policy beliefs, they'd be firmly left of the Republican Party. They're just not abandoning the team they've rooted for all their lives.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - bradito - 06-13-2018

Eh, if Republicans don't like California, they can fuck off to a a red state. They won't be missed.


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - history buff - 06-14-2018

California isn't all that different from most states in that, once you leave a major or even semi-major city/metropolis you tend to run into conservatives/loyal GOPers. The wife, kids and I took a drive from L.A. up to San Francisco in Jan. and driving up I-5 through central Ca. I counted several Trump/MAGA signs. Considering where we were coming from and where we were going, we were both pretty, "ugghhhhhh"


RE: Not this 5h1t again...CA split - Overlord - 06-14-2018

(06-13-2018, 02:10 PM)ryoken Wrote: [Image: latest?cb=20110423115845]

*slow clap*


Orange County ain't rural, folks, not in even the slightest bit. 

I could see NoCal and coastal SoCal going for it, but the inland regions or the L.A.-Santa Cruz stretch?  I can't imagine they'd be game.