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GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8 THREAD - Don't Spoil Stuff
King Bran is some bullshit.
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I'm all in favor of King Bran the Broken.
If we can dream it, then we can do it.
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Jon petting Ghost saved this episode. Everything else was boring and drawn out.
Originally Posted by ImmortanNick 

Saw Batman v Superman.
Now I know what it's like to see Nickelback in concert.

That's my review.
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(05-20-2019, 01:36 AM)schwartz Wrote: King Bran is some bullshit.

It really is.
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(05-20-2019, 01:36 AM)schwartz Wrote: King Bran is some bullshit.

Ohohohohohohoooo, this upcoming Schwartzblog gon' be LIT!
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GRRM doesn't really need to finish those last two books now after that.
Originally Posted by ImmortanNick 

Saw Batman v Superman.
Now I know what it's like to see Nickelback in concert.

That's my review.
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(05-20-2019, 01:35 AM)freeman Wrote: It's like they had absolutely no clue how to tie Arya up in a way that kept her independent and not a horrible assassin so they invented a fondness for exploration in the final episode to literally sweep her off the map.

HAHA Dany died like a LOOOSEERRRR
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(05-20-2019, 01:54 AM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 01:35 AM)freeman Wrote: It's like they had absolutely no clue how to tie Arya up in a way that kept her independent and not a horrible assassin so they invented a fondness for exploration in the final episode to literally sweep her off the map.

HAHA Dany died like a LOOOSEERRRR

What a great and well written exit for such an iconic character RIGHT? 

*snicker*
Originally Posted by ImmortanNick 

Saw Batman v Superman.
Now I know what it's like to see Nickelback in concert.

That's my review.
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Scott Von Doviak: "Anyway, no interest in the prequels, but I would probably watch ARYA: WEST OF WESTEROS."

Stephen King responded: "Me too."

https://twitter.com/StephenKing/status/1...4524726274
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Stephen King's taste is notoriously shit, though.
home taping is killing music
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https://twitter.com/meakoopa/status/1130352971114528768

Quote:Sam is v smart he invented democracy AND polyethylene terephthalate.
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I like that they effectively made Tyrion king in all but title. The people wouldn't have accepted him on the throne directly but, as Hand to a mostly hands-off figurehead, he'll be doing most of the work of a king.
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(05-20-2019, 01:56 AM)headless fett Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 01:54 AM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote:
(05-20-2019, 01:35 AM)freeman Wrote: It's like they had absolutely no clue how to tie Arya up in a way that kept her independent and not a horrible assassin so they invented a fondness for exploration in the final episode to literally sweep her off the map.

HAHA Dany died like a LOOOSEERRRR

What a great and well written exit for such an iconic character RIGHT? 

*snicker*

I mean, it wasn't really the character. This was a new character, some demon that possessed the person we spent eight seasons with. Daenerys constantly questioned herself and her state of mind and considered her actions and the weight of her fathers legacy of insanity. This new person was a full on Bodysnatchers scenario.
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As the resident Ambassador to Woketopia, I can tell you people are mad about the name "Bran the Broken."

https://twitter.com/mattbc/status/1130322634716176384
home taping is killing music
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George R.R. Martin: "I have a tender spot in my heart for cripples and bastards and broken things."
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[Image: giphy.gif]

I had a quasi-direwolf until recently.  She looked more like Nymeria, but still, this scene wrecked me.
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(05-20-2019, 01:36 AM)schwartz Wrote: King Bran is some bullshit.

That's five words that could have been devoted to Schwartzblog™.   I don't want to see you posting in here until you've finished the S08E06 entry. 


So much to unpack, random thoughts:


--Bran the Broken?  Come the fuck on.  I still generally enjoyed this ridiculously rushed/truncated season, but sheesh.  Nobody is going to follow him.  Forget the fact he's a cripple in a world that values physical strength, he's creepy and strange as fuck. Suddenly primogeniture won't be the rule of the land?  Huh? And the North (meaning Sansa) won't follow a Stark king?

--Even if they were inclined to go with Bran, the moment they let the North secede everyone else will want to 1.)Secede themselves or 2.)Declare war on the north.  Bran seemed insanely prone to favoritism.

--They set up four spin-offs, didn't they?  Aegon's journey to the north, Arya's journey to the west, Drogon's journey to the east with the soon-to-be resurrected Dany, and Greyworm's cock-less journey to the south.  

--Just how many Unsullied/Dothraki survived the battle at Winterfell?  They seem to be multiplying with every episode.

--The fact that Aegon pets Ghost and reunites with him and Drogon survives made the entire episode worthwhile all by itself.

--What the fuck is Arya doing?  Seriously?

--Seemed like Gendry was going to be crowned in the pretty-terrible-but-will-probably-be-praised-anyway-council scene.  If not Gendry, maybe they'd surprise us with Aegon.  Nope.  Bran. 

--How many seasons has it been since we saw Commander Fitzjames?  Pretty hysterical for Sansa to just get him to shut up, but man, that was two minutes too long.

--The Tyrion searching for Jaime/Cersei and proceeding to cry scene went on for at least 20 minutes.  At least.

--Dany's speech was pitch-perfect.  Her speech to Aegon was pitch-perfect.  Amazing acting from Emilia.  Goddamn Aegon.  Why'd you have to do it?  Hell, you were making sense when you were telling Tyrion why he was jumping to conclusions. 

--Really thought Drogon was going to either roast Aegon or let him jump on his back and assume the throne.  Nope.  sUBvErtEd!!!. 

--Such a journey.  An amazing series in so many respects.  In some ways, while I desperately pray for book six, maybe if it's going to be this bittersweet and poignantly sad I'd prefer the ASOIAF novels not end and we never see book seven.  This hurt the heart to watch. 

--Nice ham-fisted ASOIAF reference in the episode, by the way.  Very nice.

--Please tell me there is a deleted scene where Daenerys starts singing "Be Prepared" during the Triumph of the Will sequence. 

--Drogon coming out of the snow?  Goddamn impressive. Even more impressive? That amazingly incredible sequence of Daenerys stepping towards us, away from Drogon, with his wings spreading in the background. Awe-inspiring.

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I'm disappointed Dany didn't have a podium she could slam her fist on.
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(05-20-2019, 03:21 AM)freeman Wrote: I'm disappointed Dany didn't have a podium she could slam her fist on.

I am sure, Freeman, that you would agree with me that blood alone moves the wheel of history.

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(05-20-2019, 02:55 AM)Overlord Wrote: --Drogon coming out of the snow?  Goddamn impressive. 

Not snow. Ash.

Okay, the good:

The direction was, as always, excellent. Tyrion's scene with his family. "Sit down, uncle". Jon and Ghost. Arya's exit. All worked for me.

(Weirdly, I managed to predict all 3 Stark's fates dead-on. Everyone else, you ask? Look! Behind you! A three-headed monkey!)

And the ugly (the bad's no fun):

King Bran the Betrayer really is quite silly. Nobody knows him. Anyone that speaks to him will find him disturbingly inhuman. And they all elect him based solely on the argument of a man almost none of them like or respect, who has been wrong so often that if he said the sun would come up tomorrow, I'd start worrying. Not even his own sister would vote for Bran! As mentioned, he may be immortal, and he definitely knows what you're going to do before you do it, so good luck getting him off the throne. Plus he set Dany AND Jon up to fail. And what's his first action as King? "I'm gonna find me a dragon!"... says the guy who can control animals.

This was presented as a -hopeful- ending, right?

Dany lets Jon, who dumped her and betrayed her BEFORE she nuked a city, get in stabbing range with no guards. Her turn and death occurred in what, fifteen minutes of screen time? Long may she reign.

Also, while the dragon wings behind her looked really cool, the all pitch black leather outfit was so, so, so on the nose. Darth Cestuous.

Jon is left with only a pool of blood proving Dany is dead... so promptly confesses. You know, rather than sweeping some of the mountains of ash over the blood, telling Grey Worm that Dany went for a fly, and getting the hell out of there like any human reading this would've done. Ah Jon, dependably stupid until the end, and rewarded for it every time.

Seriously, the scene of Tyrion trying to convince Jon that Dany was a poor Queen was like watching someone trying to teach a dog algebra.

Lady Mormont died for THIS?!? At least I got an avatar that makes me chuckle out of it.
Gamertag: Tweakee
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(05-20-2019, 03:52 AM)farsight Wrote:  
 Look! Behind you! A three-headed monkey! ...

Darth Cestuous.

"Three-headed monkey" ... http://www.igotthatreference.com

Darth Cestuous is very clever.

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I'd strongly considered the possibility of King Bran after what I mentioned awhile back about the odds.  I thought it sounded like total bullshit -- I couldn't imagine that working as the actual outcome.  But the truth is the only thing I really ended up objecting to was the scene itself (although Tyrion's speech was good.)  Had they picked Sansa, or someone else, it still would have been a pretty bad scene.  Once Bran actually was the king, though, it somehow seemed to fit.

Also, regarding the Arya fanwank series Barry was talking about, if HBO ever has the ability to do more with these characters a decade or so down the road, you can bet they wouldn't be thinking so small; especially with what the finale left on the table regarding the Starks.
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Bran didn't just set up Jon and Dany to fail, he drove her into her insanity knowingly, and then let all of those innocent people in Kings Landing die even though he could have prevented.  Why didn't he?

We get a snooty cute line about him knowing he was there to be King.  It's played as fun, like Bran is being a lil silly goose!

FUUUUUCK. YOOOOOU.
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(05-20-2019, 04:06 AM)bailey Wrote: Also, regarding the Arya fanwank series Barry was talking about, if HBO ever has the ability to do more with these characters a decade or so down the road, you can bet they wouldn't be thinking so small; especially with what the finale left on the table regarding the Starks.

A spinoff featuring Arya wouldn't necessarily be "small" or soley focused on Arya. They have an opportunity to introduce us to the greater world beyond Westros, filled with new characters and conflicts.
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(05-20-2019, 04:22 AM)freeman Wrote: Bran didn't just set up Jon and Dany to fail, he drove her into her insanity knowingly, and then let all of those innocent people in Kings Landing die even though he could have prevented.  Why didn't he?

We get a snooty cute line about him knowing he was there to be King.  It's played as fun, like Bran is being a lil silly goose!

FUUUUUCK. YOOOOOU.

Do you honestly think Bran could have changed Dany's path?  This is a show where one way or another, if you're fucked, you're fucked.  Actively trying to stop the worst thing that could happen is just as likely to help bring it about as prevent it.  People were already giving warnings about Dany. Nobody who could have done anything about it listened.  If Bran said "I saw it in a vision" who is going to take it seriously?  Only the people who already didn't want her in charge.  Dany obviously wasn't going to care.  Jon was still going to be all in on her.  Maybe Tyrion would have listened, but given his track record, he's one of those types who's just as likely to bring something about by fighting against it as by doing nothing.
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I mean that's a meaningless hypothetical question because her path was completely random and dumb as is. This isn't the type of show to get really deep and interesting with destiny and literal inevitability and such, it can't even handle Scorpion consistency, it's not reasonable to expect that level of exploration.

That being established, could Bran change Daenerys from her path by sharing a bit of knowledge?

I think the 1 million dead people in Kings Landing would appreciate if you at least tried on their behalf? It'd be nice to do something as opposed to nothing. But Bran chooses nothing. This is the King now? The man who makes jokes standing the ashes of his new capital? Man of Steel all over again.
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Again, there were already people saying Dany was on this path and nobody cared. Varys tried to work against against it and arguably contributed to bringing it about. How do you know Bran couldn't see that his warnings wouldn't have been heeded? The truth is we don't know what the extent of Bran's powers were. Maybe he knew it was inevitably going to be Dany's choice, no matter what he did. Maybe he only saw fragments, and didn't know for certain until it was already too late. Or maybe he did secretly work to bring about the particular series of events that would make him king. As I said before, that might actually be more interesting.
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Why would anyone think Bran could see the future? Wasn't his whole deal that he lived mostly in the past?
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God I hated Bran's little quip about being there to be crowned. I hated all the cutesy poo crap in this episode--Sam's book, the yucks around the conference table--Bronn wants brothels built! Bronn's horny--get it????? I don't even like the Edmure Tully joke, that's how grim I am.

And if these last few seasons hadn't been so poorly conceived they would have had something logical for Arya to do at the end that isn't sailing into the unknown with a crew of complete strangers. She doesn't really fit the peacetime order but, like, give her something that makes sense to do? Follow Drogon to make sure Dany is dead or something. Westerosi ambassador in Essos who freelances as an assassin. Something other than suddenly wanting to discover Americos.

By the way Drogon's definitely taking Dany to the Essos version of a Lazarus pit. He was smart enough to wordlessly express the idea that "she wanted that damned throne--and it killed her! Well HERE'S what I think of your precious throne"--he's smart enough to know where the resurrection magic is.

Before this episode someone (on Twitter I think? hopefully not here) proposed the idea of Dany ruling as queen with Yara as her hand. I'm sorry that didn't happen.
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He saw the vision of Drogon over Kings Landing.

(05-20-2019, 05:02 AM)bailey Wrote: Again, there were already people saying Dany was on this path and nobody cared. Varys tried to work against against it and arguably contributed to bringing it about. How do you know Bran couldn't see that his warnings wouldn't have been heeded? The truth is we don't know what the extent of Bran's powers were. Maybe he knew it was inevitably going to be Dany's choice, no matter what he did. Maybe he only saw fragments, and didn't know for certain until it was already too late. Or maybe he did secretly work to bring about the particular series of events that would make him king. As I said before, that might actually be more interesting.

I guess (and this is really my personal issue) every time someone says "Dany was on the path and people warned about it!" I just dismiss it because A) The show goes to GREAT lengths to show how carefully Dany considers her decisions and how troubled she is by the idea of becoming an empathy free loon and B) Every other major character has also committed horrific acts of violence against monstrous people and in the disturbing case of Arya, REALLY reveled in it. I wonder if people just forget that perverted knight who's eyes she gouged out.

It annoys me that the show lectures me about enjoying seeing Dany burn bad people for being horrible while it gets absolutely pornographic about other acts of terrible revenge or vengeance and it's basically dropped entirely. From season 8 you never would have even guessed Arya was sketchy if you didn't see previous seasons. We're only literally shamed by Tyrion for enjoying her acts of violence in this episode because Martin gave them a bullet point that says Dany becomes evil and Arya does not and it feels cheap and bad and lame.

Once again, as much as I adore Emilia, I'm not a huge fan of the Daenerys character. Her exploits across the sea for most of the story were never a particular highlight for me or anything, I just think it's REALLY lame how fans of the show are embracing this idea that Daenerys has always been barreling towards this destination. It's bullshit that people are willingly letting themselves get gas-lighted by bad writing.
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I’d wager that Drogon took Dany back to Valyria. I know at least one dragon did return in the prequel book.
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Bet you there's some resurrection magic and a hidden pile of dragon eggs in Valyria!
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Ugh.

I hope they find the Stormlight Archive books.
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Well pretty much everyone's said all I had to say. But essentially that was about as good a finale as I expected. I consider the show ultimately became a victim of it's own rampant success - after nearly a decade of being "the greatest show ever made", let's be honest. If they pulled off THE single most incredible, perfect finale one could imagine, the world would simply say "Yeah, that's what we expected." and ANYTHING less is complete sacrilege and the worst thing to happen since whatever the last worst thing was. It put itself in a no-win situation. So having said that, I'm fine with it. I actually kinda like the inference that Bran totally manipulated his way to the role of King and no one even considered that. At all.

Oh, and the Dany/wings in the background shot? Not for nothing but BTS did a much more subtle and effective version of it in their "Blood, Sweat & Tears" video 3 years ago.
Not a hard man to track. Leaves dead men wherever he goes.
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To be fair, I don't think they were going for subtle.

I'm glad such a high number of people here seem to have more or less enjoyed it.
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