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Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker - A "pain without end" Overlord discussion thread
From a certain point of view.
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Michael, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to, etc, etc.

That means I was in no way bullshitting you.
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(12-12-2019, 01:46 PM)mondguy Wrote: Co-worker (who is an open fan of both sequel trilogy movies so far): Are you seeing Rise of Skywalker?

Myself: Ooh, that's a loaded question.

Co-worker: What?  Why the fuck is that a loaded question?  It's just a movie.

Myself (realizing I'm not talking on Film Twitter, and that nuanced and polite disagreement is allowed in reality)

Twitter really is a cesspool of trolls and threads.
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(12-12-2019, 03:01 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: Twitter really is a cesspool of trolls and threads.

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
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We must be cautious.
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I’m liking what I’m seeing: *possible spoiler alert*

https://fbwat.ch/1T0UIMJ6REFR9A2p
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(12-12-2019, 04:00 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: I’m liking what I’m seeing: *possible spoiler alert*

https://fbwat.ch/1T0UIMJ6REFR9A2p

I'll say this: if you were trying to convince me to see this, being Adam Driver-centric and using "Duel of the Fates" is the way to do it.
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It’s really just the first half with Driver, the music, the atmosphere, and THAT voice that does it for me.
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Ok, that was awesome.
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Was that a "clip" or a teaser for a clip? A clip-let?

Looked pretty good!
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Won't lie, the visuals looked nice, and my BIG FREAKING SPACE BATTLE detector pinged several times...I'm still not convinced this particular creative team can land this many dangling threads.
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I was just bagging on JJ's TFA over in the Discord yesterday for being the least rewatchable Star Wars film for me these days (yep, even behind the prequels) but I'm still amped and rooting hard for JJ's TROS next week, and almost as amped for all the firey chit chat that follows. Even in The Age of Marvel there's still nothing quite like Star Wars to inflame the passions.
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I rewatched TFA just last week, Bucho. First time watching it in years. I've watched ROGUE ONE more than once in the interim.

I also rewatched SOLO the other night and HOOBOY that movie stinks!
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TFA has played much better for me on the few revisits I gave it more than than when I caught it in theater. It’s just a goddamn fun adventure.
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SOLO doesn't stink at all IMHO. It's an enjoyable start to a series that will never be. Sad really.
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Glad you liked it. I'll never watch it again!
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Solo was fun, but I could live without it.
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(12-12-2019, 04:07 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: It’s really just the first half with Driver, the music, the atmosphere, and THAT voice that does it for me.

Not only voice, but the reveal of that actor coming back for new voice acting.

Yeeeeeeeessssssssss.

(12-12-2019, 03:01 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 01:46 PM)mondguy Wrote: Co-worker (who is an open fan of both sequel trilogy movies so far): Are you seeing Rise of Skywalker?

Myself: Ooh, that's a loaded question.

Co-worker: What?  Why the fuck is that a loaded question?  It's just a movie.

Myself (realizing I'm not talking on Film Twitter, and that nuanced and polite disagreement is allowed in reality)

Twitter really is a cesspool of trolls and threads.

Twitter has a lot to recommend it, from ease of linking in its user interface to the interesting challenge of trying to compress information to fit the character limit without losing meaning.

The problem Twitter has is the same problem that AM radio and cable news have: deplorables are more likely that normal to be unemployed and bored, so they dominate the audience participation and form the core audience that content creators try to entertain.
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I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me. The performers are all fun and the ideas behind each character are promising but everything is so surface level and the delight level so cranked to 1138 it's ultimately the most empty calories of any of the 10 films. And there's a weird irony given how much hullaballoo was made about how "WE'RE SHOOTING ON FILM!!!" and "WE'RE USING MODELS AND PUPPETS!!!" that locations like Jakku and Maz's place somehow feel very movie set-ish to me. A lot of it somehow looks more like an expensive fan film than it does Real Star Wars.

I always had Attack of the Clones at the bottom of the heap before that, but rewatching that a few months ago I found that while plenty of it was still janky, I dug how it felt expansive and adventurous from a storytelling standpoint in a way TFA never gets close to. I had always found the Kamino section kind of a drag before, but this time I liked how it showed us something new about the Star Wars universe in terms of setting, world-building and storytelling.

AotC, for all its many flaws, at least feels like a story being told by an artist, which gives it some rewatch value for me. TFA, meanwhile, feels like a story being told by an accountant, which means aside from three or four Rey and/or Kylo scenes I feel zero urge to ever watch it again over any of the other 9 films.

And yet, somehow, I'm amped by the prospect of seeing the final film, even though it was programmed by the same accountant. I guess I'm a slow learner.
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My take on Solo is that its fine but not memorable. I'm still a fan of TFA, TLJ and Rogue One.

 I wouldn't say the novel Shadows of the Empire is the best Star Wars has had to offer since 1980, but it is a good book. I've read it twice.

 I think Mike, Jay and Rich are only cynical when it to the new Star Wars movies.  In that case I don't agree with them, but people I actually know I don't always agree with. That said, if I like Rise of Skywalker, I'll skip there video on it.
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(12-12-2019, 06:13 PM)Chaz Rock City Wrote: I wouldn't say the novel Shadows of the Empire is the best Star Wars has had to offer since 1980, but it is a good book. I've read it twice.

The whole SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE promotional campaign -- with the toys, the video game, the original soundtrack -- made it quite a fun event for a young STAR WARS fan. I still think the novel has a lot of interesting stuff in it. Prince Xizor and Black Sun should be returned to official canon as soon as possible.
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That would be a fun Disney+ adaptation. Even as a cartoon.
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(12-12-2019, 06:51 PM)Belloq87 Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 06:13 PM)Chaz Rock City Wrote: I wouldn't say the novel Shadows of the Empire is the best Star Wars has had to offer since 1980, but it is a good book. I've read it twice.

The whole SHADOWS OF THE EMPIRE promotional campaign -- with the toys, the video game, the original soundtrack -- made it quite a fun event for a young STAR WARS fan.  I still think the novel has a lot of interesting stuff in it.  Prince Xizor and Black Sun should be returned to official canon as soon as possible.

I suspect they've just gotten a spiritual replacement with Crimson Dawn, but at the same time I could totally see them popping up in The Mandalorian.
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(12-12-2019, 06:10 PM)Bucho Wrote: I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me.

Pffft. Corporate and calculated and confectionery is how every blockbuster film feels.  Finn, Rey and even Poe are all welcome blasts of fresh air, Renn and Snoke are a new twist on the old canard, the film slows down long enough to collect Han and Chewey, and then it's racing off again to a terrific finale.  Of all the Disney SW films it's easily the best (and actually re-watchable).  It should have been a great start to a new chapter of stories.
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(12-12-2019, 07:29 PM)Jones Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 06:10 PM)Bucho Wrote: I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me.

Pffft. Corporate and calculated and confectionery is how every blockbuster film feels.

TLJ doesn't.

Check and mate.
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(12-12-2019, 06:54 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: That would be a fun Disney+ adaptation. Even as a cartoon.

I'd watch an animated adaptation. I'm sure Hamill would come back to voice Luke.

I'd also like to see him come back for an animated THE ADVENTURES OF LUKE SKYWALKER show, set post-RETURN OF THE JEDI, to provide the visceral heroics and derring-do that the sequels have not supplied with the character.

(12-12-2019, 06:56 PM)jmacq1 Wrote: I suspect they've just gotten a spiritual replacement with Crimson Dawn, but at the same time I could totally see them popping up in The Mandalorian.

There's room for multiple crime families in this galaxy, surely.

As I said after SOLO, I'm fully on-board with a proper underworld show about the various criminal elements jockeying for dominance. Maul and Qi'ra vs. Xizor could have potential.
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(12-12-2019, 07:29 PM)Jones Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 06:10 PM)Bucho Wrote: I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me.

Pffft. Corporate and calculated and confectionery is how every blockbuster film feels.  Finn, Rey and even Poe are all welcome blasts of fresh air, Renn and Snoke are a new twist on the old canard, the film slows down long enough to collect Han and Chewey, and then it's racing off again to a terrific finale.  Of all the Disney SW films it's easily the best (and actually re-watchable).  It should have been a great start to a new chapter of stories.

Snoke in TFA is not a new twist on ANYTHING.
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Snoke would have been more interesting if he really was that big.
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(12-12-2019, 07:43 PM)Bucho Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 07:29 PM)Jones Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 06:10 PM)Bucho Wrote: I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me.

Pffft. Corporate and calculated and confectionery is how every blockbuster film feels.

TLJ doesn't.

Check and mate.

Then you agree TLJ is not a blockbuster film.

Yahtzee!
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(12-12-2019, 09:31 PM)Jones Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 07:43 PM)Bucho Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 07:29 PM)Jones Wrote:
(12-12-2019, 06:10 PM)Bucho Wrote: I've seen TFA 3 times and have it dead last for how corporate and calculated and confectionary it feels to me.

Pffft. Corporate and calculated and confectionery is how every blockbuster film feels.

TLJ doesn't.

Check and mate.

Then you agree TLJ is not a blockbuster film.

Yahtzee!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ... (explodes)
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You’re right, TLJ is not a blockbuster film, IT’S EVEN BETTER.
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(12-12-2019, 01:16 PM)slim Wrote:
(12-11-2019, 11:25 PM)Belloq87 Wrote: Film Twitter likes John Boyega, but they like Rian Johnson A LOT more.  Of course they'll throw Boyega under the bus.

But it is illuminating.  For all the grief LAST JEDI detractors have gotten for not "getting over it," its biggest fans (of the Film Twitter ilk) are completely incapable of letting any criticism (even the most measured and mild) go unanswered.

In light of Boyega's-- and Abrams's-- recent comments, it will be a curious (and entertaining) phenomenon if the hardest-core TLJ fans of fucking Film Twitter (not talking  hard-core SW fans here necessarily) instinctively take a dump on STAR WARS IX: RISE OF THE MACHINES.

I have seen some who write for different movie outlets bitching about that, as if Last Jedi is some sacred cow. It's funny because the shit they're pissed off about is so fucking mild.
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I have a feeling that if Solo was well received, we would have gotten a Princess Leia movie and then a full on Star Wars Episode 4 reboot with a new, younger cast.
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I mean, I am not some big TLJ supporter or anything--I think it's half great, half awful--but so much of the recent TROS press tour has been about the people behind it trying to assure us that things are back on track and JJ Abrams is gonna give us more of that comfortable nostalgia porn... and it's just incredibly lame. This whole thing is so lacking in integrity they can't even stand behind the stuff they've made, they've got to coddle the whiny ass vocal majority of their fanbase.

Also far be it from me to defend Film Twitter, it's a wasteland of noxious takes, but of the few critics I follow most of them seem to be taking more issue with Boyega not on his TLJ criticism but his horribly worded response about the abuse Kelly Marie Tran took after TLJ came out. I guess he has since apologized for what he said and he didn't mean to insinuate that Tran was mentally weak. But, yeah, now THAT was a bad look.
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I haven't really seen anything about that. What I was seeing yesterday was stuff like Scott Wampler saying it's a shitty look that people associated with this movie are taking thinly veiled swipes at Last Jedi. There was one really funny tweet I saw from some critic (which seemed to be a reaction to this stuff unless they just so happened to randomly tweet this at the same time) about how demanding that Last Jedi follow some narrow parameters for what a Star Wars movie is everything wrong with film like Last Jedi isn't a remake of Empire Strikes Back that kept Nu-Empire around and solidified Snoke as Emperor 2. 

Thankfully the few film critics I follow on Twitter don't seem to give enough of a shit about it to say anything about this in general.
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