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Star Wars IX: The Rise of Skywalker - A "pain without end" Overlord discussion thread
(12-17-2019, 08:30 AM)MichaelM Wrote: I feel like if the sequel trilogy (and the two one-off films) have taught us anything, it's too ignore any initial rave reviews and give, perhaps, some credibility to the more modulated responses.

I'm not expecting this to be as good as TLJ but I'm hoping it's better than TFA.

To some degree, the bar for Abrams just sticking a basic landing is pretty low so that's kinda all I'm hoping for.

Between Marvel and Star Wars, it's become pretty easy to spot the junket whores. The word "amazing" has pretty much lost all meaning.

I'll see this someday and probably like it fine.

Re: the convolution, I personally believe that a planned trilogy should be, you know, planned. I feel that might have helped here.
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(12-17-2019, 08:45 AM)freeman Wrote: Barry, there's a BUNCH of middling to negative reviews out there that you've conveniently editorialized out and you know that.

Post them all.

I don't think Barry can actually see negative Star Wars reviews. Like a genetic defect or something. Or superpower.
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(12-17-2019, 08:47 AM)wasp Wrote: Sounds convoluted and very plotty, one guys says it is like nine movies' worth of plot crammed into one.

Yuck.

But maybe JJ Abrams makes it work!

...he said, trying not to sound skeptical.

From JJ Abrams and the co-writer of 'Batman V. Superman' comes...

...well, pretty much what you'd expect.
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(12-17-2019, 08:48 AM)Mangy Wrote:
(12-17-2019, 08:30 AM)MichaelM Wrote: I feel like if the sequel trilogy (and the two one-off films) have taught us anything, it's too ignore any initial rave reviews and give, perhaps, some credibility to the more modulated responses.

I'm not expecting this to be as good as TLJ but I'm hoping it's better than TFA.

To some degree, the bar for Abrams just sticking a basic landing is pretty low so that's kinda all I'm hoping for.

Between Marvel and Star Wars, it's become pretty easy to spot the junket whores. The word "amazing" has pretty much lost all meaning.

I'll see this someday and probably like it fine.

Re: the convolution, I personally believe that a planned trilogy should be, you know, planned. I feel that might have helped here.

I also think JJ Abrams just tends to over-plot stuff. Case in point, LOST, which over-plotted itself over the course of six seasons into utter rubbish.
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(12-17-2019, 08:51 AM)wasp Wrote:
(12-17-2019, 08:45 AM)freeman Wrote: Barry, there's a BUNCH of middling to negative reviews out there that you've conveniently editorialized out and you know that.

Post them all.

I don't think Barry can actually see negative Star Wars reviews. Like a genetic defect or something. Or superpower.

Site: negative Episode IX review

Barry: Doesn't look like anything to me.
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I'll go to my dying day saying JJ should have directed the trilogy, but Whedon should have wrote it.

You get someone in there to tone down his Whedonspeak dialogue tendencies, and there's a man who knows how to make an incredible Star wars movie with an amazing villain and an ensemble of great characters we love to follow who's themes are rich and fulfilling while ALSO being entertaining as hell too.

In Whedons version of Episode 7 you wouldn't have missed opportunities or the lamest plot of all time because he's been trained for decades to, you know... NOT do that stuff.
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Peter Sciretta: "JJ Abrams nailed it. He was able to bring a cohesive arc to this trilogy that feels like a fitting end to the saga as a whole. I’m so emotionally drained. Star Wars fans will be very happy."

Jake Hamilton: "THE RISE OF SKYWALKER is everything I wanted it to be — because there's never been a STAR WARS movie like this before. It's dark and scary, but hopeful and beautiful. It ends the trilogy while also ending the saga as a whole. I know I'm rambling — but I worship this movie."

Kevin McCarthy: "JJ Abrams juggled that film & the scope of 42-years of storytelling, beautifully. I'm just in awe of the direction, cinematography & Williams' score. It's everything fans are hoping for & more. Abrams really did the impossible!"

Angelique Jackson: "All I'll say about #RiseofSkywalker is that I cried 3x... which seems fitting for the end of the 3rd trilogy to which I’ve devoted so much of my time. It was everything and nothing that I expected. Thank you @jjabrams. #starwars"

Kevin Smith: "At the @starwars premiere, I saw @Jon_Favreau and he gave me a #Mandalorian coin. If I could spend it to see #TheRiseOfSkywalker again right now I would! EPIC ending to the Saga, in which J.J. gives us a satisfying and gratifying finale! (And they finally do right by Chewie!)"

Dan Casey: "All I can say is 'wow'. #StarWars: #TheRiseOfSkywalker is many things: horrifying, hopeful, violent, lowkey horny, and full of the right kind of fan service. But most of all, it's a fitting ending for this incredible, 40+ year-long saga."

Greg Grunberg: "#TheRiseOfSkwalker is one of the best and most satisfying #StarWars films EVER. I loved everything about it. I know I'm in it and my best friend made it but I truly mean it. SO proud of JJ. I cannot WAIT for all of you to see it. INCREDIBLE!!!"
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The initial reactions are bordering on mixed even before you take into account the first screening press hyperbole bump, so it's safe to say everyone will be rrrrrrripping this one to shreds in due course. I expect the Film Twitter types who were seething over the cast's gentle criticism of TLJ will go in extra hard on it.
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Hahaha, even Sciretta called the thing convoluted (I've seen that word A LOT), but Barry left that part out.

Barry is like the Sinclair Broadcasting of fanboys.

EDIT: Abrams is always blamed for LOST even though he directed the pilot and left Lindelof/Cuse alone after that. L&C are to blame for all of the storytelling issues of that show.
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(12-17-2019, 09:14 AM)Paul C Wrote: The initial reactions are bordering on mixed even before you take into account the first screening press hyperbole bump, so it's safe to say everyone will be rrrrrrripping this one to shreds in due course. I expect the Film Twitter types who were seething over the cast's gentle criticism of TLJ will go in extra hard on it.

Episode VII: JJ Abrams dumps a load of vintage Star Wars toys onto the floor, keeps the Han Solo figure for himself

Episode VIII: Rian Johnson melts the pile of toys into a fused whole and gets high off the fumes in the process

Episode IX: JJ "Oh yeah?  Check this out."  (Goes on a coke-fueled binge reading every piece of EU Legacy entry and reordering every toy from ebay over a single weekend)
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(12-17-2019, 09:08 AM)freeman Wrote: I'll go to my dying day saying JJ should have directed the trilogy, but Whedon should have wrote it.

You get someone in there to tone down his Whedonspeak dialogue tendencies, and there's a man who knows how to make an incredible Star wars movie with an amazing villain and an ensemble of great characters we love to follow who's themes are rich and fulfilling while ALSO being entertaining as hell too.

In Whedons version of Episode 7 you wouldn't have missed opportunities or the lamest plot of all time because he's been trained for decades to, you know... NOT do that stuff.

I'm not sure I'd pick Whedon for the job but I don't disagree with you, I think JJ actually did a decent job directing TFA, it had the right kind of vibe/energy to it with the pacing and performances and the visuals worked well enough, it's the plot/script/lazy writing that lets it down.

If they had let one good writer--someone good at keeping things simple and focused while still having attention to detail and bringing the emotion and setpieces--be the core writer for the whole trilogy, and let JJ or Rian or whoever be a co-writer or have some input but basically focus on directing: yeah, probably a marked improvement.

(12-17-2019, 09:17 AM)Mangy Wrote: EDIT: Abrams is always blamed for LOST even though he directed the pilot and left Lindelof/Cuse alone after that. L&C are to blame for all of the storytelling issues of that show.

fair, I thought JJ had more of a producer as overseer role than that.

I do find his stuff to be over-plotted, so maybe he is not as directly responsible for that as he gravitates towards over-plotted things.

he is definitely into the nostalgia porn, that much is clear.
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Quote:I do find his stuff to be over-plotted, so maybe he is not as directly responsible for that as he gravitates towards over-plotted things.

he is definitely into the nostalgia porn, that much is clear.

Those first two STAR TREK movies have *ridiculous* stories . . . Abrams can't really fix a bad script; he's more about making things shiny and fast-paced enough that you can gloss over the flaws (in theory). See also: SUPER 8.
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Lacey Gilleran: "Wow, just wow. Buckle up guys, #TheRiseofSkywalker is an action adventure that doesn't stop for all 2 hours and 21 minutes. It will make you laugh, cry, and stand up and cheer. It sums up everything we love about #starwars, while being completely new and unique. JJ, you did it."

Ben Schwartz: "Ben Schwartz #TheRiseofSkywalker was absolutely amazing, beautiful, funny, heart warming, action packed and so well acted/directed. Don't find out what happens, just go & get ready for an incredible ride."

Josh Gad: "#RiseofSkywalker is perfect. I think it may be my favorite of the new trilogy. So many surprises. So many tears. So much joy. @jjabrams stuck the landing and then some. Get ready. I'm still processing. So beyond incredible."

Dennis Tzeng: "#TheRiseofSkywalker is an entertaining and satisfying conclusion to the #StarWars saga though it does utilize some familiar beats from the original trilogy. If you liked the fan service that JJ Abrams delivered in #TheForceAwakens like I did, you'll love many of the epic moments."

James McVey: "I've mulled over #TheRiseOfSkywalker overnight and have come to the conclusion that I genuinely can't fault a single second of it, which is an extremely rare statement for me to make. Absolutely brilliant. If you like Star Wars then you'll love it. Well done @StarWarsUK."

Wendy Lee Szany: "TROS is filled with jaw-dropping moments and gorgeous cinematography. Can't really wrap my mind around it yet but WOW. Congrats to JJ Abrams for bringing this incredible saga to its conclusion. #TheRiseOfSkywalker #StarWars"

Lauren Veneziani: "I am still processing #TheRiseofSkywalker but omggggg I'm so happy and sad at the same time!!!!! JJ Abrams you're my hero! Thank you so much for this movie."
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Josh Gad lol

Any word from Dan Fogler?
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I'm seeing lots of "I'm still processing" reviews on Twitter. Like the critics are robuts or something.
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Critics, after watching TROS.
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I don't get it. If you're going to see the movie anyway, why care about reviews? All they're likely to do is make the experience worse for yourself by making you look for things the review mentioned while watching.

But since this thread seems to now be focused on takes of the movie that isn't even out yet, I'm gonna go incommunicado. See ya after the last Star Wars!*

* = other than the series. And the other series they're making. And the movie they're trying to make. And the eventual Avengers crossover.
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(12-17-2019, 04:38 AM)freeman Wrote: Jo Robinson just tweeted that if you liked The Last Jedi you'll probably not dig this.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

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Anyone expecting this to be like TLJ deserves to be disappointed. And I write that as someone who prefers TLJ, strongly, over TFA.
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Was anyone seriously expecting this to be like TLJ? Really?
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Several tweets have been like, "So satisfying, answers all your questions!" To which I'm thinking, "What questions?" And then I realize, "Oh, I see, JJ really did retcon the shit out of TLJ, didn't he." So now my questions are just about how much JJ tried to undo all of Rian's undoing.

lolz
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I mean, I have a shit-ton of questions but they're all pretty meta at this point so I really don't think they're going to be answered. (How the fuck did the First Order get so well funded so quickly? Why is the New Republic so dumb? Why didn't R2D2 just tell Ben and Luke EVERYTHING in a New Hope?)

The only one I can even imagine being addressed within the film - and I'm betting it won't be - is Snoke's origin and nature.

But yeah. Abrams is shitcanning Johnson's backstory for Rey and making her SPECIAL.
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(12-17-2019, 11:51 AM)MichaelM Wrote: I mean, I have a shit-ton of questions but they're all pretty meta at this point so I really don't think they're going to be answered. (How the fuck did the First Order get so well funded so quickly? Why is the New Republic so dumb? Why didn't R2D2 just tell Ben and Luke EVERYTHING in a New Hope?)

The only one I can even imagine being addressed within the film - and I'm betting it won't be - is Snoke's origin and nature.

But yeah. Abrams is shitcanning Johnson's backstory for Rey and making her SPECIAL.

She was still special in TLJ, the only thing we learn is that it has nothing to do with her lineage.
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I'm on the fence, but I'll be persuaded if Barry posts a rave from Chelsea Peretti.
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Pablo Hidalgo gave it a 2/5 on his Letterboxd account. Lol.
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Rob Liefeld: "RISE OF SKYWALKER is the Ultimate Fanboy Jerk Off! I loved it. I LOVED IT!!! I LOVE IT! J.J. stirs your love of this fabled franchise at every possible opportunity. Daisy Ridley is as charismatic as anyone on screen, she carries this final chapter, lifting it to new heights!"

Roxane Gay: "I really enjoyed Star Wars: Rise of Skywalker. It offered a very satisfying conclusion to a 9-movie narrative arc. The strongest of the last trilogy. A few silly parts but overall, a damn good movie. Adam Driver was excellent. Better than he had to be. Fans won't be disappointed."

Eric Goldman: "I don't want to get too detailed on #TheRiseofSkywalker until more folks have seen it, but while I have some quibbles, there are a ton of amazing moments and it delivers all sorts of impressive emotional payoffs. Will it cause huge debates and arguments? ...Well of course!"

Angie J. Han: "#TheRiseOfSkywalker is ummmmmm a lot! tons to love here, no shortage of crowd pleasing moments and twists and cameos, but also quite a bit to ponder. some faves: jannah, d-0, finn of course. and what a lovely send off for our general leia"
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But what does Alan Moore think?

Edit: hahahaha ahahaha hahahahahahaaa Rob Liefeld. Sure, you may be a shit artist, but your honesty is refreshing.
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Not seeing much in any of the reaction tweets about the characters and/or acting, aside from the occasional "Rey is #badass."  Not a single mention of Kylo Ren, which I'm hoping is because people are being extra cautious and don't want to even begin to hint at what's going on with him, rather than because his story is inconsequential.

Also...
(12-17-2019, 04:38 AM)freeman Wrote: Jo Robinson just tweeted that if you liked The Last Jedi you'll probably not dig this.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK!

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I'm mostly kidding.  I don't get off on groups of people not digging movies. But there is a decent chance I'm going to end up liking this more than THE LAST JEDI, though.  At the very least, they can't kill Luke Skywalker again!
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Rob Liefeld calling this movie "the ultimate fanboy jerk off" has made me laugh for the last 15 minutes. Whether the movie is good or bad, that "compliment" cracks me up.
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It's like a Harry Knowles review condensed down to a single sentence.
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Someone ask Liefeld if he can draw Rey's feet yet.
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6/10

Needed more pockets
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I thought I was the ultimate fanboy jerkoff.
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Soundtrack release tracklist. Nothing spoilery, though track 12 appearing where it appears is not where I would have expected it, but apparently it's not entirely in chronological order based on what the FYC cues were titled...

1. Fanfare and Prologue 04:34
2. Journey to Exegol 02:49
3. The Rise of Skywalker 04:18
4. The Old Death Star 03:16
5. The Speeder Chase 03:21
6. Destiny of a Jedi 05:12
7. Anthem of Evil 03:23
8. Fleeing from Kijimi 02:51
9. We Go Together 03:17
10. Join Me 03:42
11. They Will Come 02:50
12. The Final Saber Duel 3:57
13. Battle of the Resistance 02:51
14. Approaching the Throne 04:16
15. The Force Is with You 03:59
16. Farewell 05:14
17. Reunion 04:04
18. A New Home 01:47
19. Finale 10:51

Total Runtime 01:16:32

Soundtrack apparently releases digitally tomorrow (or perhaps midnight tonight) unless it leaks earlier.
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Wish I could preorder the soundtrack on iTunes already.
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