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BOND 25 pre-release
(01-14-2020, 07:15 PM)Belloq87 Wrote: I'm an optimist!

And J.J. made two fun STAR WARS movies!

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"Writing's On the Wall" would be great if it was sung by a belter. Smith taking the chorus all falsetto just robs the song of any kind of oomph.
My karmic debt must be huge.

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(01-14-2020, 07:54 PM)Richard Dickson Wrote: "Writing's On the Wall" would be great if it was sung by a belter. Smith taking the chorus all falsetto just robs the song of any kind of oomph.

The orchestration is actually great. Very Bondian. Lyrics are kind of pedestrian, but a powerhouse singer could have saved it.
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Tom Jones or Shirley Bassey would have killed that song.
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Eilish's Madeleine Swann energy levels are perfect for this part of Bond's life.
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No idea how to pronounce Eilish.
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(01-14-2020, 08:33 PM)Bucho Wrote: Eilish's Madeleine Swann energy levels are perfect for this part of Bond's life.

Not sure what this means.
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(01-14-2020, 09:16 PM)bradito Wrote: No idea how to pronounce Eilish.

Eye-lish
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I have closure.
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(01-14-2020, 09:17 PM)Felix Wrote:
(01-14-2020, 08:33 PM)Bucho Wrote: Eilish's Madeleine Swann energy levels are perfect for this part of Bond's life.

Not sure what this means.

That wispy, breathy thing Lea Seydoux does. Whatever song Eilish comes out with will be easy to imagine Lea Seydoux singing. Or Ana de Armas for that matter.

They're both basically Billie Eilish, but French. And not as dangerous.

Eilish is perfect for this.
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(01-14-2020, 07:54 PM)Richard Dickson Wrote: Smith taking the chorus all falsetto just robs the song of any kind of oomph.

Amen
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No idea how to pronounce Seydoux.
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Sey-do
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Gadot.
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Josh Gad
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(01-14-2020, 08:11 PM)Belloq87 Wrote:
(01-14-2020, 07:54 PM)Richard Dickson Wrote: "Writing's On the Wall" would be great if it was sung by a belter.  Smith taking the chorus all falsetto just robs the song of any kind of oomph.

The orchestration is actually great.  Very Bondian.  Lyrics are kind of pedestrian, but a powerhouse singer could have saved it.

Hell, they should have brought Adele back.
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No idea how to pronounce Adele.
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It’s pronounced like “Dude, you’re getting a Dell”.
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Ahh-DEE-lei?
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A delicatessen in stainless steel!
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Monkey Seydoux, monkey Seydoux.

In other great postings from me, I just rewatched the trailer and I somehow like it better now. How does that even work?

I guess I should watch Spectre after all.
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It's a good trailer. It has editing, music, dialogue.
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Those are three of my four favourite things to have in a trailer. The 4th is guns coming out of a car's headlights.
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(01-15-2020, 02:37 AM)Bucho Wrote: I guess I should watch Spectre after all.

Only if you promise yourself to turn it off after the opening sequence.
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Or after the train fight.
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It’s fine, just expect a middling Bond film rather than something top tier like CASINO ROYALE and SKYFALL.
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Billie Eilish is a great, great choice. We might get the first great Bond song since "You Know My Name".

My interest in this movie has increased.

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No love for "Skyfall," there?
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Oh right, everyone hates SKYFALL here.
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I'm rather keen on 'Skyfall' myself.
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Easily in the top 3 of Bond themes, IMNSHO.
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Themes during the Craig era have been 50-50. Heres hoping that Ellish is a winner. Im optimistic.
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Either pour yourself a drink or get ready to skip a post, because I'm about to lay a ramble down about Bond songs that may or may not even make complete sense.


I like a Bond theme to at least feel a little dangerous. It should make me feel at least a little off balance. A little like I've felt when I've been in a scrap or a chase. Or at least when I've watched Bond in a scrap or a chase. I prefer not to be able to nod gently along with the beat throughout the entire runtime of the song. I also prefer to be able to feel the beat, not have it reduced to a mid-tempo bump, lost deep in the mix. That's why the earlier jazz numbers are mostly still my favourites. The production methods of that era gave the brass in particular a thrilling edge. They feel sharp. At key moments they HIT you. They seduce you while at the same time making you think twice before you turn your back to them. They're hot.

Skyfall is melodically very solid, and Adele is a legit all-time-great vocalist who sounds as lovely as ever on the track, but my favourite Bond is hot and Skyfall is not, so it doesn't trouble the upper levels of my Bond theme rankings. It's not at all mediocre, but the overall vibe of that song is just too comfy and mid-tempo and "easy-listening" to be sexy enough to stand with my personal top tier. It has the sweeping orchestration to evoke the glamour side of the game, but none of the stab or slice or crack to evoke that danger. It has power and panache, but no punch or peril. And you know you like peril.

Skyfall is a cruise in a top of the line limo. Bond is a race in a sports model.
Skyfall is a luxurious private jet. Bond is a supersonic fighter.
Skyfall is your mum. Bond is your mistress.
Wait ... that last one doesn't work.
I meant that Skyfall is your missus and Bond is your mistress.
Wait ... that doesn't really work either. Ah, eff it, we don't have all day, next paragraph.

That's why Jack White's track with Alicia Keys, while I wouldn't go so far as to call it a classic, is my favourite from the Daniel Craig era. On the surface, with its minimalist approach to instrumentation, it seems unlike those intricately orchestrated jazz numbers I dig so much, but where it matters - in its soul - it's the same species. (Or at least the same suborder.) It's a predator. Like those early brassy jazz numbers, it has sharp angles. Both the percussion and the riffs have punch. The brass in Another Way to Die is a combo of blades, as is White's gat. You wouldn't want to run into it in a dark alley or make it mad in a club in Zanzibar, whereas Skyfall is something you sink into and luxuriate in and let wash over you. You don't need to keep your guard up for Skyfall. Skyfall wants to be your friend. Which is nice enough in general, but it's not what I look for in a Bond theme.

That's why I like Eilish giving it a shot. She's a popster like Adele, and unlikely to bring as much punch as Jack White did, but she's more dangerous**. She doesn't have those Amy Winehouse pipes, but she does have that mischievous Amy Winehouse edge. Like the Bond girls of this era - your Seydouxs and de Armases - she can do a breathy, relatively soft delivery, but you also feel like you shouldn't ever completely trust her. For me the best Bond themes should set you on edge, at least a little. I like Adele a lot, she has wondrous pipes and she's super charming, but she has zero edge. I shouldn't be able feel like I can safely turn my back on Bond theme, or fall asleep to it, like I can with Skyfall.

And Eilish's age means she'll chafe the "get off my lawn types", so that's good too. Hashtag winkface emoji.


TL;DR
I may be a goofus and in my mid-40s, but Adele was just a little too NICE for Bond and I'm still punk AF.


* Yes, I am ripping off Scott Aukerman for no good reason at all aside from that I love him.
** I know saying a pop singer is "more dangerous than Adele" is the same as saying a pop singer is "not Adele", but still, you get my drift.
*** This post should definitely be read as a personal attack on Michael's taste for having Skyfall in his Top 3. You should know better than to ever turn your back on me MM. The second you drop your guard you should know I will explain my evil scheme to you and leave you to be killed after I leave. IMVO. (Now imagine me doing that thing where I point two fingers at my eyes and then at you, to let you know I have you in my sights at all times.)
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Your defense of "Another Way to Die" is valiant.

But ineffective to me!
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Why I oughtta!

To be clear(er), I'm not trying to convince anyone - not even MM - that Another Way to Die is "better" than Skyfall, just using it to help lay out a lot of what I look for in a Bond theme. Another Way to Die certainly doesn't match Skyfall in the pop hook department, and for a lot of folks that hummability is the key thing.
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