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03-19-2012, 06:23 PM
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A The story of Trayvon Martin's murder makes me so angry and ill I'm shaking. Below is the text from a petition demanding justice for this innocent kid gunned down in cold blood by a maniac whom the Sanford Police Dept. didn't even bother arresting. Please sign it!
Quote: 17 year old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed while walking home from a convenience store on the evening of February 26th. The shooter, George Zimmerman, was the neighborhood watch captain. Zimmerman, a 200 pound 28 year old with a history of violence, claimed self defense although Trayvon Martin, with no criminal history, had nothing more than candy and an iced tea in his hands. George Zimmerman remains free.
That's why I signed a petition to Pam Bondi, Florida Attorney General and Eric Holder, U.S. Attorney General, which says:
"George Zimmerman's shooting of Trayvon Martin, an African American teenager, reveals a history of racism in Sanford, FL that has stubbornly refused to die. Weeks after the shooting, the Sanford police department is slow to release details of the shooting and, more surprisingly, has not arrested George Zimmerman, a man who has a history of violence.
We urge you to sign this petition to protect private citizens from gun violence and inept law enforcement. Florida's Attorney General Pam Bondi must step in and provide justice for Trayvon Martin, his family, and the community."
Will you sign this petition? Click here:
http://signon.org/sign/justice-for-trayvon-martin?source=s.em.cp&r_by=268300
Thanks!
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Signed it this morning. Truly disgusting. An inexcusable and cold-blooded murder.
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There's also a petition on Change.org: http://www.change.org/petitions/prosecut...von-martin
If you want to get even angrier, listen to the 911 tapes. They're bone-chilling.
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Disgusting.
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I'll sign that one too. You know, on the radio, Randi Rhodes was playing the 911 tapes but I had to turn it off. I cannot f*&^ing believe that this #$@hole is not behind bars, along with whomever in the Sanford PD told him he could just run along home, along with Jeb Bush who signed the "stand your ground" law or whatever the &^%( it's called that legalizes murder in Florida.
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"Hey man, we don't know the whole story here. I mean, c'mon, traditionally blacks are violent, and if you see one walking around late at night, well, most of time they're up to something dangerous, ya know? I mean, I'm sure if the police let him go then his story checks out. This is just another case of blacks whining. What about this totally unrelated story about a black guy killing a white guy, huh? Huh?"
Sorry, figured I'd fill in the average ignoramus response since we seem to be lacking them at CHUD. (Yet another reason I frequent these forums) It astounds me that there are actually people who will bend over backwards to come up with some kind of narrative that isn't "racist murders teenager and gets away with it."
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03-19-2012, 07:10 PM
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911 Calls Prove Zimmerman wasn't acting in self defense.
You can hear the poor kid crying for help in the background. And the 911 tapes that features Zimmerman has the 911 operator to stop following Martin, which he ignores, saying "these assholes always get away." Fucking maniac.
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I've been reading and spreading the word about this for a week. Unbelievable and absolutely disgusting.
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I can't even put how angry this makes me into words. How in the hell does this even happen in this day and age? It seems glaringly obvious that Zimmerman should have been arrested immediately.
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Zimmerman has logged dozens of calls to 911 too, most of the "hey, there's a black guy walking around" variety. And he's also the one with a previous arrest on his record, not Martin. He's basically a some douche who thinks being on the neighborhood watch makes him some kind of goddamn super-hero or something.
Reverse the ethnicity of the people in this incident and how much you want to bet the black shooter is in jail right now?
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03-19-2012, 07:20 PM
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03-19-2012, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson 
Zimmerman has logged dozens of calls to 911 too, most of the "hey, there's a black guy walking around" variety. And he's also the one with a previous arrest on his record, not Martin. He's basically a some douche who thinks being on the neighborhood watch makes him some kind of goddamn super-hero or something.
Reverse the ethnicity of the people in this incident and how much you want to bet the black shooter is in jail right now?
He also has a history, with the Sanford police denied initially and cited to the Martin family as part of their reason in not arresting Zimmerman---not that it matters at all. I mean, it's not like Martin didn't have a history of criminal offense also. But he's dead because he's black and this Travis Bickle motherfucker is walking around free.
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03-19-2012, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Parker it's not like Martin didn't have a history of criminal offense either.
It's exactly like that, actually.
More fun times: turns out that the Sanford PD actually has had something of a troubled history with racial tension.
Oh, and think you can't get angrier? Because you totally can!
"The hysteria, the media circus, it's just crazy," Lee told the Orlando Sentinel. "It's the craziest damn thing I've ever seen, and it's sad. It's sad for the city of Sanford, the police department, because I know in my heart we did a good job."
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03-19-2012, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Whiteboy Jones
It's exactly like that, actually.
I know, dude. Sarcasm.
Edited to add: I realize that what I wrote is confusing. I should have written "also" rather than "either."
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One of the witnesses has also said she was "corrected" by an officer that she did not hear Martin call for help, but Zimmerman. That 911 call pretty much puts that to rest.
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03-19-2012, 08:20 PM
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Disgusting.
Why would you do that to me?
Though agreed all around. You think this stuff couldn't happen in this day and age, but jesus...
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03-19-2012, 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayward_Woman
Why would you do that to me?
Don't fret, luv. You've got a seat on the Ark.
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Disgusting.
The way the rest of the country is going, I might not have a problem with this.
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I may have blown a blood vessel in rage.
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03-19-2012, 10:35 PM
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Geez, even a douchebag actual policeman from (was it?) Seattle gets in some trouble for gunning a well known old, deaf wood carver in cold blood (after enormous public outcry).
Down south you only have to be in the neighborhood watch and you shoot who you like. I expect building superintendents will soon enjoy the same privileges.
Additionally here's an article giving some more background on the those peculiar laws:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p...uted_.html
...which is frankly insane. The part I don't understand is that self defense laws like that exist in other places and a death is always taken to court. Always! The claim of self defense still has to be tested. What kind of twisted calculus ends up with them not even laying a charge.
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This Mother Jones article does an excellent job of breaking down the whole story, including multiple 911 calls and the curious question of where Trayvon's cell phone currently is and why the police neglected to use it to identify the body or contact his family (his body was brought to the morgue and tagged as a "John Doe."). Seems like more damning evidence suggesting that the police sided with the shooter in assuming Trayvon was a criminal. Based on nothing other than his skin color and the account of the guy who shot him.
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Priority number one is justice to be served for the sake of the kid's family. But putting the fear of the feds into every backwards, small town PD is a close second.
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Priority number one is justice to be served for the sake of the kid's family. But putting the fear of the feds into every backwards, small town PD is a close second.
Florida, 2012
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Florida, 2012
man, I hope the DOJ sends down their "Hackman"
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man, I hope the DOJ sends down their "Hackman"
I'm hoping they send down their "Dafoe"....
I'm trying to figure out how a guy chases down a kid half his size despite being told not to by the police, rolls around with the kid screaming for help, and then the kid gets killed and the police just write it off with a cursory 'investigation'. Police are held to the standard of probable cause for what they do. You can't chase a guy down and kill him and claim self defense, wacky Florida laws or not.
There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved.
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There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved.
This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions.
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Originally Posted by Parker
This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions.
Yeah, to say the petitions got the DOJ to pay attention might be stretching it, but it is definitely part of the larger mechanism. (Full disclosure: I don't sign petitions either.)
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I've got good news and I've got bad news. The bad news is that I have lost my way. The good news is that I'm way ahead of schedule.
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This story has been around for more than a week. Why do you think the FBI is getting involved? If it weren't for the attention this were getting they wouldn't bother. And that comes from stuff like the petitions.
Why is the FBI getting involved? Well, I know I've seen coverage of this story for several weeks on NBC's Today Show and the Nightly News. I'm far more certain that kind of heat has finally gotten someone's attention in Washington. Signing petitions, be it for the forced return of Firefly to Fox or something like this, have equal impact upon the powers that be--none at all.. Petitions are reliably unreliable. They can be signed online by any number of people multiple times. But they do make you feel good about doing something, I suppose. But ultimately, they're of no consequence.
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I'm hoping they send down their "Dafoe"....
I'm trying to figure out how a guy chases down a kid half his size despite being told not to by the police, rolls around with the kid screaming for help, and then the kid gets killed and the police just write it off with a cursory 'investigation'. Police are held to the standard of probable cause for what they do. You can't chase a guy down and kill him and claim self defense, wacky Florida laws or not.
There's no point to signing the petitions (to me, it's the same thing as 'liking' the Kone 2012 video), but I wholeheartedly approve of the Feds finally getting involved.
The Mother Jones article is jaw-dropping (emphasis mine):
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Again, the Sunshine State was the trendsetter: 17 states have since passed "stand your ground" laws, which critics call a "license to kill" or a "shoot first" law. The law has been unpopular with law enforcement officers in Florida, since it makes it much more difficult to charge shooters with a crime and has regularly confounded juries in murder cases; many Orlando-area cops reportedly have given up investigating "self-defense" cases as a result, referring them to the overloaded state Attorney's Office for action. A 2010 study by the Tampa Bay Times found that "justifiable homicides" had tripled in the state since the law went into effect.
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Many readers have asked whether, given the 911 recordings, a case against Zimmerman would be easier than most homicides in which "self-defense" is cited by a defendant. In Florida, the answer probably is no: The courts' interpretation of the stand-your-ground law has been extremely broad—so broad that, to win an acquittal, a defendant doesn't even have to prove self-defense, only argue for it, while to win a conviction the prosecution has to prove that self-defense was impossible.
There's more in the article.
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On the 911 tape, I'm pretty sure you can hear Zimmerman mutter, "Fucking 'coons."
I signed both.
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Honestly, who looks more like the guy you'd see and be suspicious of?
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