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SKYFALL Post-Release
#1
ASome reviews are already popping up with spoilers, so might as well get this thread going.

I don't know too much of the spoilers except one bit which is the gunbarrel appearing at the end instead of the beginning, just like QOS. That is most annoying.
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#2

I liked Kim Newman on Facebook, so I know he was at a screening of it a few days ago.

I've got good news and I've got bad news. The bad news is that I have lost my way. The good news is that I'm way ahead of schedule.
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#3
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I don't know too much of the spoilers except one bit which is the gunbarrel appearing at the end instead of the beginning, just like QOS. That is most annoying.

Goddammit, stop doing this!

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#4
AA very reassuring review by 007 Magazine: http://www.007magazine.co.uk/bond23/skyfall_review.htm

And it's relatively spoiler-free, so it's safe.
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#5

Just to be on the safe non-spoiler side, I stop reading a few paragraphs in. However I do like the term serious romp.

I've got good news and I've got bad news. The bad news is that I have lost my way. The good news is that I'm way ahead of schedule.
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#6
Ahttp://www.metro.us/newyork/entertainment/article/1154701--q-a-with-skyfall-director-sam-mendes
Quote:James Bond will return, but Sam Mendes probably won't.

"It's been a fantastic experience, but it's been completely exhausting," says Mendes, who adds that he completed work on the film on October 9. "Do I want to do another one? I'm a shadow of my former self. (laughs) No, I don't know. I felt like everything I wanted to do with a Bond movie, I put into this film. So I would have to be convinced that I could do something that I loved and cared about as much if I was to do it again. I think the great risk of repeating oneself is that one doesn't have the great store of ideas that you have when you first tackle a subject."
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#7
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James Bond will return, but Sam Mendes probably won't.

"It's been a fantastic experience, but it's been completely exhausting," says Mendes, who adds that he completed work on the film on October 9. "Do I want to do another one? I'm a shadow of my former self. (laughs) No, I don't know. I felt like everything I wanted to do with a Bond movie, I put into this film. So I would have to be convinced that I could do something that I loved and cared about as much if I was to do it again. I think the great risk of repeating oneself is that one doesn't have the great store of ideas that you have when you first tackle a subject."

Interesting.  I get this to an extent, but ultimately, it frustrates me when a director says that.  If it isn't written, how do they have any clue that they have exhausted ideas?  Either way, I don't mind if they move on and find a new director regardless of Mendes' successes.

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#8

Well whatever else you can say about Mendes, he's not particularly a guy who repeats himself. It's hardly surprising that he wouldn't want to get sidelined into making sequels to something he already made, especially given that he's not generally an action/thriller guy.

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#9

I didn't know where to put this but here goes.  EW just released their Bond edition on the iPad this morning so I ended up getting it and reading the piece.  At the very end of the article, Craig says something really freaking interesting:

"Everyone always moans, 'Where's Bond gone?  Where's all the jokes?'"  Craig says.  "Well, give us time!"  As he says this, he picks up an apple and takes a Richard Kiel-size bite out of it.  "I always had a plan in the back of my head that the third movie-if I ever got there-it would be time to take the gloves off and bring the gags back in.  That's why we have the Aston Martin DB5 from Goldfinger and the classic Bond theme in the new one.  That's what people come to see.  So that villain with the cat on his lap, let's bring him back!  Mike Myers took him, and we have to reclaim him."

A joke or a slip of the tongue of what they might do with Bond 24?

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#10
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Originally Posted by Don Swoosh View Post

I didn't know where to put this but here goes.  EW just released their Bond edition on the iPad this morning so I ended up getting it and reading the piece.  At the very end of the article, Craig says something really freaking interesting:

"Everyone always moans, 'Where's Bond gone?  Where's all the jokes?'"  Craig says.  "Well, give us time!"  As he says this, he picks up an apple and takes a Richard Kiel-size bite out of it.  "I always had a plan in the back of my head that the third movie-if I ever got there-it would be time to take the gloves off and bring the gags back in.  That's why we have the Aston Martin DB5 from Goldfinger and the classic Bond theme in the new one.  That's what people come to see.  So that villain with the cat on his lap, let's bring him back!  Mike Myers took him, and we have to reclaim him."

A joke or a slip of the tongue of what they might do with Bond 24?

It sounds like a jab against people constantly bitching about how the franchise should go back to the tone of the originally films.

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#11
ABeen listening to the score by Thomas Newman all week. I think this is my favorite variation of the Severine theme.


[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geRytruvEuo[/VIDEO]



Overall, I like the soundtrack so far, but I'm eager to see how it context with the film. With this track I can see this being played for the shower scene, but I could be way off. The soundtrack does not have the tracks in chronological order ("The Bloody Shot" plays way too late in the soundtrack, when it's supposed to be featured on the pre-title sequence), this is probably done so they don't spoil the flick. Well, I hope to arrange them in the proper order very soon.
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#13
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Spoiler Space...

and by the end it's degenerated into Home Alone territory. You get a great start, and some good set pieces - I loved the China stuff and the Island stuff - but then it just collapses.

Yeah that was really bizarre, like Bond does Straw Dogs. I think it does kind of fall apart as it goes on, then the final couple of scenes are designed to send you out thinking you saw the greatest thing ever.

Naomie Harris is unbelievable though, and I love the new Q.

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#14
AI think y'all are going to have to redo your Knockout thread. It's absolutley fantastic.

It just seems to get the formula right. It's fun and at the same time as serious as a heart attack. It has a brilliant villain (with a pretty grim physical deformity). It has heart and genuine emotional stakes. It has some stunning action (there is a silhouetted fist fight that is stunning.)

But most importantly it's a Bond film. QOS lost that but Skyfall makes up for it. It's the best of both the new modern Bond and the older iterations. The winks are too fun to be grating (no disrespect leederick). At the end the credits begin with "Bond 50" and this really feels like some kind of 007 victory lap. I'm not even a huge Bond fan but it made me seriously consider slapping down money for the box set.

This will be talked about for years as a high point in the series I have no doubt.

Now watch it so we can all talk about it!
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 At the end the credits begin with "Bond 50" and this really feels like some kind of 007 victory lap. I'm not even A huge Bond fan but it made me seriously consider slapping down money for the box set.

Oh boy, don't say that.  I was afraid of this.  Like you, I'm not a huge Bond fan.  I was introduced via the Brosnan films in high school but wasn't over the moon about them.  I liked him more than anything else. But, Craig's portrayal has flipped me more and more towards the franchise.  With the buzz about the film and Bond 50 advertising every where you go, I've been tempted to get that box set.  If I have the same reaction to Skyfall as you and to the end credits, money will be spent ASAP.

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#16
ASeriously, I'm off to buy a tuxedo right now!
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#17

I've literally just returned from watching this. It was very good indeed and I didn't feel the running time at all (which is always a good indicator to me that I've enjoyed a movie). Do I think that it's the best James Bond movie ever? No. Personally, I don't even think that it's the best Daniel Craig Bond movie (I would place Casino Royale marginally higher on the list) but it contained enough of the things that I wanted to see in order to send me away happy. Whilst I do agree that nothing really tops the opening action sequence, I do still love the lower key ending set in a location with more personal ties to Bond. Bardem lived up to the hype and was absolutely fantastic (the final scene where he is literally seething with rage was absolutely terrifying!) and Craig was fantastic too (although there was no doubt that he would be). All of the supporting players are equally wonderful (special praise goes to Naomie Harris) and I'm extremely glad that Ralph Fiennes ends up where he does. Oh and it would be remiss of me not to mention the beautiful cinematography (the silhouette fight mentioned earlier in this thread is a particular highlight) and possibly my favourite Bond title sequence (which goes very well with Adele's title track).

I believe it's the fourth best Bond movie and also the second best movie I've seen in the theatre this year (after The Avengers).

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#18

Mr. Saxon just wrote a lot of what I was going to write! Just returned from seeing this, liked it a lot, still like Casino Royale better, the cinematography in this one is amazing...

But as much as I like Skyfall, I couldn't shake off this nagging feeling throughout that it was cribbing heavily from other films, and it made it feel like bit of a Frankenstein's monster to me. It started with a minor thing: Bond commandeering a construction machine in the opening sequence. Just like Casino Royale. But then we have a villain that's physically deformed around the mouth, clearly psychotic, has a weird smirk or smile on his lips most of the time, and allows himself to be captured as part of a very elaborate plan. I was often getting a serious Joker vibe from Silva -- probably not helped by Mendes' recent praise of Nolan and The Dark Knight. And to stay on Silva and Bardem a bit, the film's running theme is old men trying to cope with and fit in a new age... No Country For Old Men? Heh. And the final confrontation at the Skyfall estate kept bringing me back to the final confrontation in the first Bourne. Also in the countryside with hunting rifles, if I remember correctly.

I know nothing's original and everything's inspired by something else... and this stuff usually doesn't annoy me this much, but it almost became too much for me during Skyfall. Which is doubly annoying as I felt the film got so much else right. I love that the villain had a very personal objective. I love that the film in general felt quite personal, digging deeper into both M and Bond as characters. I love how it tied their mother/son relationship into Bond's (and agents in general, it would seem) status as an orphan and put an extra bow on that tie with M's death near Bond's parents grave in the end. I also love that after seeing the movie, the theme song basically describes the final confrontation. And, again, the cinematography is fucking amazing in this film!

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#19
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Mr. Saxon just wrote a lot of what I was going to write! Just returned from seeing this, liked it a lot, still like Casino Royale better, the cinematography in this one is amazing...

But as much as I like Skyfall, I couldn't shake off this nagging feeling throughout that it was cripping heavily from other films, and it made it feel like bit of a Frankenstein's monster to me. It started with a minor thing: Bond commandeering a construction machine in the opening sequence. Just like Casino Royale. But then we have a villain that's physically deformed around the mouth, clearly psychotic, has a weird smirk or smile on his lips most of the time, and allows himself to be captured as part of a very elaborate plan. I was often getting a serious Joker vibe from Silva -- probably not helped by Mendes' recent praise of Nolan and The Dark Knight. And to stay on Silva and Bardem a bit, the film's running theme is old men trying to cope with and fit in a new age... No Country For Old Men? Heh. And the final confrontation at the Skyfall estate kept bringing me back to the final confrontation in the first Bourne. Also in the countryside with hunting rifles, if I remember correctly.

Heh, that's fair. In fact,

when I'm trying to convince Mrs Pants to see a film I tell her it's by "the guy who directed Home Alone", it's a tradition.

So, of course, when they start kitting out the house she leans in and says, "Oh my God, it's Home Alone for adults!"

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#21
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 I also thought Berenice Marlohe was incredible, just the way her mask kept on slipping.

This, she did a considerable amount with what is essentially a damsel in distress role.

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#22
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Maybe I'm just sick of every other film doing this sort of ridiculous nods to the audience. If Naomie Harris had just sat down behind a desk I'd have been okay. Do we really Moneypenny line - wink, wink - do you see what we did audience. I can't stand that sort of fan-bait. Does it add anything? It just takes me out the film. And some of the jokes just undercut the tone, I think we were verging on Roger Moore territory in some places.

I feel the same way. While I understand wanting to have all these throwbacks and references -- especially with the whole 50 year anniversary thing -- I felt that Casino Royale did a better job of establishing a new Bond that is his own character. Sure, Skyfall brought more to the table with establishing Bond as a new character in giving us a big peek into his background, but it also kept pulling him back into the old character and that character's setting. It felt kinda weird like that, and that's maybe another thing that made the movie feel slightly disjointed and like a Frankenstein's monster to me. It was trying to have it both ways.

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#23

Okay, I'll be the odd man out and say that I actually liked those little nods to the audience and felt that they did add something. There were only around ten to fifteen people in my theatre (I went to the early morning showing) and there was still audible laughter and noises of approval from the audience when the Aston Martin from Goldfinger was introduced or when Moneypenny said her name. James Bond is one of the few franchises which can do things like that and the 50th anniversary is the perfect opportunity for it. I can understand why it might irk some people but, for this Bond fan, I appreciated those winks because they put a smile on my face. I'm looking forward to my father (who essentially introduced me to the Bond movies) watching Skyfall because I know he'll like those moments too.

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#24

The difference probably is that I'm more a Craig-as-Bond fan than a Bond fan...

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#25

As a "Craig-as-Bond fan rather than a Bond fan" (we'll have to think up a proper name for you people!), how did you find the humor, chrknudsen? Did you think it was "verging on Roger Moore territory" as leederick did?

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#26

I didn't mind the humor as much, since it mostly came naturally from the situations. What irked me about the references and throwbacks is probably that they didn't come naturally from the situations nor this take on the character -- they were simply there because that's how it was in the old films. Like the Aston Martin. It's an in-your-face meta reference that takes me out of the narrative a bit by highlighting the fictional nature of it all. Instead of thinking "Bond has an Aston Martin -- I guess he's a collector or something", I'm thinking "oh look, it's that car that the Bond played by another actor X decades ago drove around in". It's probably a bit corny, but a line of dialogue like Bond telling M he inherited the car from his dad or something would have made it easier to swallow for me, since that would be a reason for the car being there. If the movie wasn't trying so hard to create a real and believable Bond character, this probably wouldn't be such an issue for me, but the movie keeps reminding me that this is just some fictional dude that's been played by a bunch of actors.

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A[quote name="chrknudsen" url="/community/t/145354/skyfall-post-release#post_3411191"]I didn't mind the humor as much, since it mostly came naturally from the situations. What irked me about the references and throwbacks is probably that they didn't come naturally from the situations nor this take on the character -- they were simply there because that's how it was in the old films. Like the Aston Martin. It's an in-your-face meta reference that takes me out of the narrative a bit by highlighting the fictional nature of it all. Instead of thinking "Bond has an Aston Martin -- I guess he's a collector or something", I'm thinking "oh look, it's that car that the Bond played by another actor X decades ago drove around in". It's probably a bit corny, but a line of dialogue like Bond telling M he inherited the car from his dad or something would have made it easier to swallow for me, since that would be a reason for the car being there. If the movie wasn't trying so hard to create a real and believable Bond character, this probably wouldn't be such an issue for me, but the movie keeps reminding me that this is just some fictional dude that's been played by a bunch of actors.
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I have not seen the movie, but Bond won the car in Casino Royale.
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#30
AHe did win the Aston Martin, but this is clearly supposed to be the same one from Goldfinger.

It doesn't bother me at all. The franchise has existed for fifty years -- it's allowed to have a bit of fun.
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#31

It will be interesting to see everyone's reaction to this. Already the tone of the film seems to be the divisive. Maybe it's just a mileage thing.

The "He's keen" line was the one that got closest to rolling my eyes but the film has just generated too much good will. For me the balance was perfect.

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I have not seen the movie, but Bond won the car in Casino Royale.

You're right. I completely forgot about that.

This one has the ejector seat and macine guns, though. Is that something Bond added since he won it? Also, M seems to know about the ejector seat, which makes it seem like this is a car that was used by MI6 back in the old days. I guess that just makes it an even better example of this film trying to go someplace new with Bond, but at the same time pulling him back to the old films. Is it a new car or isn't it? It's kinda muddled.

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#33

They're different cars. The car from Goldfinger and Skyfall is the DB5. In Casino Royale he wins a DBS V12.

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#34

I think he wins the DB5 in Royale. The DBS is just issued to him from MI6, isn't it?

http://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/produc...martin-db5

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You're right. I completely forgot about that.

This one has the ejector seat and macine guns, though. Is that something Bond added since he won it? Also, M seems to know about the ejector seat, which makes it seem like this is a car that was used by MI6 back in the old days. I guess that just makes it an even better example of this film trying to go someplace new with Bond, but at the same time pulling him back to the old films. Is it a new car or isn't it? It's kinda muddled.

Well, there's been six years between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall so who knows how many adventures Bond's had with it, how many tweaks he's done to it since he won it in Casino Royale.

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