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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. thread
#1

It's been officially picked up, and I'm sure we'll have lots to discuss before it hits, so...let's have at it.

From The Hollywood Reporter:

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Clark Gregg reprises his role of Agent Phil Coulson from Marvel’s feature films as he assembles a small, highly select group of Agents from the worldwide law-enforcement organization known as S.H.I.E.L.D. Together they investigate the new, the strange, and the unknown across the globe, protecting the ordinary from the extraordinary. Coulson’s team consists of Agent Grant Ward (Brett Dalton), highly trained in combat and espionage, Agent Melinda May (Ming-Na Wen) expert pilot and martial artist, Agent Leo Fitz (Iain De Caestecker); brilliant engineer and Agent Jemma Simmons (Elizabeth Henstridge) genius bio-chemist. Joining them on their journey into mystery is new recruit and computer hacker Skye (Chloe Bennet). From Executive Producers Joss Whedon (“Marvel’s The Avengers,” ”Buffy the Vampire Slayer”); Jed Whedon & Maurissa Tancharoen, “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” pilot co-writers (“Dollhouse,” “Dr.Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog”); Jeffrey Bell (“Angel,” “Alias”); and Jeph Loeb (“Smallville”) comes Marvel’s first TV series. “Marvel’s Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.” is produced by ABC Studios and Marvel Television.

No mention of J. August Richards? Wasn't he cast as well?

I'm REEEEEEALLY starting to think something's up with Coulson's return. The people behind the scenes have been an odd combination of casual and tight-lipped about him being on the show. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but if they were just bringing him back straightforwardly, you'd think they'd be rushing to explain it.

I actually wonder if the show will start with Coulson alive and well with no explanation, and his return will be a mystery that won't be resolved for a while.

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#2

I thought they did explain it?  That it was going to be retconned to just all be part of Nick Fury's ruse to give the Avengers the push they needed.

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#3

It's the Marvel Universe, characters never really die anyways.

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#4

This sounds like a recipe for Marvel over exposure.

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#5
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

Long over due, the collapse of this bubble is. Speaking just for myself, I'm more than sick of these films and really hope that the Marvel universe gets scaled down in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

This sounds like a recipe for Marvel over exposure.

I could be wrong, Dr Harford, but I get the feeling you're not particularly looking forward to this show.,,

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#6

I'm sorry if I come off as overly grumpy or down on these movies, but I just feel that this whole shared universe thing is a real death knell for creativity in Hollywood. I don't mean to deliberately rain on anyone's parade though.

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#7
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I'm sorry if I come off as overly grumpy or down on these movies, but I just feel that this whole shared universe thing is a real death knell for creativity in Hollywood.

The death knell for creativity?  Really?  If anything, a shared world built up over years gives the opportunity to play with the concept of sequels (the real death knell for creativity, but they're not going anywhere) in a way that we haven't seen before.  That Star Wars and DC also look to create this kind of universe doesn't mean they will succeed, nor does it mean this kind of thing is going to become the norm at every major studio.

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#8
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post

It's been officially picked up, and I'm sure we'll have lots to discuss before it hits, so...let's have at it.

From The Hollywood Reporter:

No mention of J. August Richards? Wasn't he cast as well?

I'm REEEEEEALLY starting to think something's up with Coulson's return. The people behind the scenes have been an odd combination of casual and tight-lipped about him being on the show. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, but if they were just bringing him back straightforwardly, you'd think they'd be rushing to explain it.

I actually wonder if the show will start with Coulson alive and well with no explanation, and his return will be a mystery that won't be resolved for a while.

That's my thinking, also.  It would seem more...Whedon-esque to have a longstanding mystery surrounding his return.

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#9

pilot co-writers (“Dollhouse,” “Dr.Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog”); Jeffrey Bell (“Angel,” “Alias”); and Jeph Loeb (“Smallville”) comes Marvel’s first TV series.

Oh no.

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#10
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Originally Posted by Dr Harford View Post

This sounds like a recipe for Marvel over exposure.

I have to agree here.  A TV series is maybe one step too far at this point.  It might help if the series relies more on old-fashioned bad guys,* spying, political intrigue, and "strange happenings" rather than the team finding a new mutant or superhuman each week.  If the latter two are the focus of the series, we may begin to see the old adage "familiarity breeds contempt" come into play with audiences.

Also, I just discovered Jeph Loeb is involved, and, well...that does nothing to inspire my confidence.  :-(

*Edit:  I have no idea what I'm talking about there.  Maybe I meant terrorists of some kind.  Maybe techno-terrorists.  If they hadn't used AIM in Iron Man 3, THEY might have been a great set of villains.  Maybe HYDRA will be resurgent...

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#11
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Originally Posted by littlenomad View Post

pilot co-writers (“Dollhouse,” “Dr.Horrible’s Sing-Along Blog”); Jeffrey Bell (“Angel,” “Alias”); and Jeph Loeb (“Smallville”) comes Marvel’s first TV series.

Oh no.

I saw that too. Never a good sign.

I didn't know J. August Richards was going to be on this. That's cool. He popped up on "Arrow" a couple weeks back and I said, "Where's that guy been? He needs a steady gig."

Also, hell-o Ming-Na Wen... That would get me to watch even if this wasn't a show about SHIELD.

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#12
AI am...estatic that Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D will be such a...MARVEL, that ABC and Disney will continue to A.I.M. higher so they can...HYDRAte tv with a flood of new superhero spinoffs!
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#13

I have a lot more faith that Whedon can make the show could than that Loeb can screw it up. I'm kind of amazed that Whedon's getting a show to run where he'll likely have the budget, placement, and clout to do more or less whatever he wants and people are skeptical at all.

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#14

Didn't Marvel put Loeb in overall charge of their TV projects, or something? So I guess I expected his involvement, just not on the script-writing level. Maybe that's just for the pilot. You're right though, Ben-- he isn't enough to sink this thing on his lonesome, with all the other talent involved.

And it's not like I'm not going to tune in anyway.

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#15

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Promo picture of the cast.

 I was hoping that that Lizzy Caplan and the dude who played her boyfriend in Item 47 would be part of the cast.

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#16
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Didn't Marvel put Loeb in overall charge of their TV projects, or something? So I guess I expected his involvement, just not on the script-writing level. Maybe that's just for the pilot. You're right though, Ben-- he isn't enough to sink this thing on his lonesome, with all the other talent involved.

Loeb worked with Whedon on the BUFFY comic, so there's already a connection there.

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#17
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I thought they did explain it?  That it was going to be retconned to just all be part of Nick Fury's ruse to give the Avengers the push they needed.

That's the rumour, but it hasn't been officially explained yet. Unless I missed something.

And yeah, I'm pretty sure Loeb's just producing. At least I hope so. That Buffy comic was hilarious because Loeb made no attempt to write in Whedon's voice, unlike EVERY OTHER PERSON WHO HAS WRITTEN BUFFY EVER. It's not like it's hard to do, either--I mean, we can't all come up with snappy witticisms, but the basic rhythms ought to be pretty straightforward to a writer. But nope! Loeb just wrote it as a shitty, bland comic.

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#18

Once Upon A Time is suppose to have a tv spot for this tonight.  Here is a preview.

#CoulsonLives

Looks like some superhero is in the pilot.

link appears broken on my screen.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFZE3W1SF...r_embedded

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#19

#CoulsonLives is cheesy, but I guess it makes sense to try to embrace it as a big thing than to try to play it off and pretend you didn't retcon the shit out of one of the best moments from Avengers.

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#20
AI'm not interested in this show, but I don't mind them bringing Coulson back since that is what I thought was going on all along based on the first time I saw Avengers. I thought it was heavily implied that Fury faked Coulson's death, and said so in that thread at the time.
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#21

He put the blood on the cards.  That was treated as the extent of the reveal, and a somber one at that, if my memory serves.  For there to be a further reveal after the fact runs contrary to the way the moment played, regardless of how much wiggle room was technically there since we didn't actually see rigor mortis set in, Coulson buried, and worms consume his flesh.

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#22

Rewatching it, it's not much of a stretch that Coulson survived, to be honest. The medics were there almost immediately, the only person who ever said he was dead was Fury, and it was a survivable injury (much stranger situations have happened in real life). Coulson wouldn't have even needed to go along with it; he could have just passed out.

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#23

The dead Coulson was probably a life model decoy.

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#24
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#CoulsonLives is cheesy, but I guess it makes sense to try to embrace it as a big thing than to try to play it off and pretend you didn't retcon the shit out of one of the best moments from Avengers.

Or just ignore this show entirely. Probably won't be hard judging by some of that footage.

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#25

Its a clone of Coulson meaning SHIELD exists in the same world as Orphan Black.

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#26
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Its a clone of Coulson meaning SHIELD exists in the same world as Orphan Black.

Get Tatiana Maslany on that show, stat!  Whedon could work wonders with that woman.

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#27

She would have made a better lead for Dollhouse than Eliza Dushku.

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#28
A[quote name="Bailey" url="/community/t/147873/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-thread#post_3511251"]He put the blood on the cards.  That was treated as the extent of the reveal, and a somber one at that, if my memory serves.  For there to be a further reveal after the fact runs contrary to the way the moment played, regardless of how much wiggle room was technically there since we didn't actually see rigor mortis set in, Coulson buried, and worms consume his flesh.
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I'll dig up my original post later on, but it's also about how Fury called off the other medics - IE, the ones that were not his people.
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#29
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She would have made a better lead for Dollhouse than Eliza Dushku.


I would have made a better lead for Dollhouse than Eliza Dushku.

Except for the dominatrix outfit. On that front, we'd be a draw.

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#30

Promo's up:

Edit: won't let me embed. I found it here: http://io9.com/so-i-know-like-20-people-...-503899657

If that's Luke Cage that J. August Richards is playing, I'm going to be a happy man.

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#31
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Get Tatiana Maslany on that show, stat!  Whedon could work wonders with that woman.

TBH the show she's on right now is probably better than AoS will ever be.

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TBH the show she's on right now is probably better than AoS will ever be.

Quite possibly.  But it's also got a very finite shelf life.  I know it's been renewed for a second season, but I can't see the story stretching out much past that, even with smaller season runs.

It essentially boils down to the fact that I don't think I want her to leave my screen anytime soon.  She's quite astounding.

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#33
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Rewatching it, it's not much of a stretch that Coulson survived, to be honest. The medics were there almost immediately, the only person who ever said he was dead was Fury, and it was a survivable injury (much stranger situations have happened in real life). Coulson wouldn't have even needed to go along with it; he could have just passed out.


It's implied that it was actually Coulson's idea. 'It's alright boss, they need the push' are his last words.

And 'if you don't see the body, they're not dead (and frequently even if you do)' is RULE 1 in comics.

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#34


"No, I'm not PHIL Coulson, I'm WILL Coulson. Phil is...was my brother."

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#35
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Rewatching it, it's not much of a stretch that Coulson survived, to be honest. The medics were there almost immediately, the only person who ever said he was dead was Fury, and it was a survivable injury (much stranger situations have happened in real life). Coulson wouldn't have even needed to go along with it; he could have just passed out.

Spear through the chest?

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