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The All-Purpose "Nuke Florida From Orbit" Thread
AIt's something, but a statement from the jury that it still counts as murder, even when the victim is a black male and the killer is white, shouldn't have been too much to expect.

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I just don't understand how Florida produces news stories so frequently. Are there really THAT many loony toons there compared to everywhere else? Something in the water?[/quote]

I'm sticking to my pet hypothesis that Florida's environment coddles people who would freeze to death outside if they lived a little farther north. As long as you're immune to whatever the mosquitoes carry, gun violence and old age are damn near the only two ways to die down there.
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A*sigh* "Fine, we'll punish him."
-Florida
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Impartial jury, my a**!

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Fucking white people...

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A[quote name="Michael Shaver" url="/community/t/148953/the-all-purpose-nuke-florida-from-orbit-thread/90#post_3670618"]Fucking white people...
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Except it wasn't an all white jury...
First degree murder is hard to prove folks...and Angela Corey is determined to make a big name for herself so she pursued that charge, when she should have gone for murder 2.
Either way the guy will never be free to play cowboy again.
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A[quote name="Reasor" url="/community/t/148953/the-all-purpose-nuke-florida-from-orbit-thread/90#post_3670505"]It's something, but a statement from the jury that it still counts as murder, even when the victim is a black male and the killer is white, shouldn't have been too much to expect.
I'm sticking to my pet hypothesis that Florida's environment coddles people who would freeze to death outside if they lived a little farther north. As long as you're immune to whatever the mosquitoes carry, gun violence and old age are damn near the only two ways to die down there.[/quote]

I stand by statement that the crazies come from central Florida...
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Except it wasn't an all white jury...



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Fucking white people...

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First degree murder is hard to prove folks...and Angela Corey is determined to make a big name for herself so she pursued that charge, when she should have gone for murder 2.


That was the problem with the Zimmerman trial.  They shot for the moon trying to get the big conviction and ended up letting him walk.

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AIt's the State Prosecutor...sh has consistently shot for the moon on various cases.Hell just last year she wanted to send a 12 year old to prison until the day he died. She admits she doesn't read or watch the news..and is on record as stating the public has no rights to know about a case until the verdict is decided....Angela Corey is just so inept....
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First of all, WasteOfTape, it wasn't an all-white jury, as you said. There also wasn't a single black man on the jury.



2nd degree murder and manslaughter were on the table. They had three fucking days of deliberations to land on one of those counts, regardless of what the prosecution was shooting for. They jury didn't hang because the prosecutor overshot, they hung because there was a portion of the jury who didn't want to find Dunn guilty on any charge, regardless of all the evidence and testimony showing what a piece of shit killer he was. I wish people would stop playing Law And Order when it comes to cases like this - pinning it on overreach by the state lets the jury off the hook. The outcome here is shameful, and I'd expect the jurors responsible for it to feel ashamed if they hadn't demonstrated that they lack any sense of propriety whatsoever.



It doesn't help that this monster looks like Powers Boothe ate John Carroll Lynch. That's a whole lotta Southern-fried asshole.

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AI'm not disagreeing with you on the jury dropping the ball on the murder charge...that being said it was damn near impossible to prove a 1st degree charge given what happened during the shooting.
I would ask that you read up on the antics of Angela Corey, then see if you can come back and say she is not guilty of all manners of overreach.
I'm probably guilty of projecting my anger over the verdict onto her more than the jury...I'll cop to that...it's just that she does this all the time. It's getting old...and so is her "small government for me, big government for you" stance on the medical Marijuana issue down here, but that's a separate argument.
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She proved that the man was responsible for unlawfully killing Davis. That is all that she needed to do. The actual charge was malleable and lay in the jury's hands. This whole "oh it's the prosecution's fault!" thing strikes me as a way for people to deflect attention away from the snowballing perception that a large chunk of Floridians have serious issues with race and self-defense.



Look, if the will was there for all twelve of those men and women to find him guilty of killing Davis outside of the law, it would have been done. They spent three days asking detailed questions of the judge about all aspects of the case - if they wanted to find him guilty for 2nd or manslaughter they would have. The evidence was there and the testimony was there - the only thing stopping him being found guilty was the prejudices of certain jury members.



And it's the same in the Zimmerman case, by the way. The jury there actually *asked* for the definitions of manslaughter and 2nd degree murder during deliberations. Overreach had nothing to do with it - they bought Zimmerman's bullshit ever-changing narrative of what happened that night.

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2nd degree murder and manslaughter were on the table.


Source please?  I have followed this admittedly not as close as the Zimmerman trial but unlike that trial I do not believe the lesser charges were on the table for Dunn.  At least according to articles I have read there has only been one, quite possibly biased, source that reported the jurors failed to convict on lesser charges.  However, EVERY other source neglects to mention this which seems odd.  Dunn was originally charged with 2nd degree murder and his charges were upgraded to 1st(most likely because he retreated to get his gun from his glovebox).



Nowhere in mainstream coverage have I seen that the jurors had the option to convict on lesser charges which sounds true to form for Corey and Florida prosecutors and would absolutely lead to overreach and a hung jury on premeditated murder.

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CBS News:



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Earlier in the day, the panel said in a note to Judge Russell L. Healey that they couldn't agree on the murder charge. They also had the option of convicting him of second-degree murder or manslaughter. The judge asked them to continue their work, and they went back to the deliberation room for two more hours before returning with a verdict.


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Judge Russell L. Healey of Duval County declared a mistrial on the count of first-degree murder, which applied only in the death of Mr. Davis. The jury also failed to reach agreement on lesser charges that are automatically included in jury instructions. Those were second- and third-degree murder and manslaughter. 



This is not about overreach, period. It is a bullshit excuse.

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CBS News:




New York Times:





This is not about overreach, period. It is a bullshit excuse.


Grazie.



This definitely wasn't first degree murder.  I want to hear from the jurors why they didn't opt for the lesser charges but as soon as Dunn turned from the situation to open his glovebox he retreated and upon Davis' death he became guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the least and 2nd degree most likely.



In the courtroom if these prosecutors play up 1st degree and push it like they do in the media I can completely see why a jury of people would reflexively feel they are being put into a situation to "make someone's career" and fuck up the decision making process either consciously or subconsciously.

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I think trying to stymie a state prosecutor's ambitions by fucking up the conviction of an obviously guilty killer is just as prejudiced and twisted as any racial motivation would be. But I think it's all a rich tapestry of backwoods shitheadedness - him being a middle-aged good ol' boy white guy, Davis being a cocky black kid, a state prosecutor who has fumbled previous cases, and good old-fashioned ingrained-in-the-Floridian-soul racism. I am at a total loss as to how anyone can look at the facts of this case as they stand and think Dunn was justified without prejudice playing a huge part in their thought process.

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I think trying to stymie a state prosecutor's ambitions by fucking up the conviction of an obviously guilty killer is just as prejudiced and twisted as any racial motivation would be. But I think it's all a rich tapestry of backwoods shitheadedness - him being a middle-aged good ol' boy white guy, Davis being a cocky black kid, a state prosecutor who has fumbled previous cases, and good old-fashioned ingrained-in-the-Floridian-soul racism.



I get the point you are making, Andrew, but what part of him getting 60 mandatory years at 47 years old isn't enough?  The jury got the job done, yeah?



Based on our general stances on issues past I can't imagine you're a death penalty supporter and are arguing for 1st degree to achieve a death sentence?

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The part where the parents of an innocent dead 17 year-old boy don't get to see justice done for their son. I'm not arguing for the death penalty, I'm arguing for this man to be found guilty of unlawfully killing a boy whose only crime was to be disrespectful to a bigot with a gun. That is an important line in the sand to draw, and it's sickening that members of that jury couldn't - or as is more likely wouldn't - do so. Sure, he's going away for a long time, and in some ways that means justice is done - but it's not been done for Jordan Davis, or his family. There were people on that jury who thought he deserved to die.

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Yeah, I see what Merriweather is saying. It's good that this isn't another Trayvon-style case where the guilty gets to walk a way; it's good that this guy will be going to prison (hopefully) for the rest of his life. But the fact that the jury couldn't even decide whether this constituted murder speaks volumes of the sort of racism inherent in our culture. This sends a message that if you're not white, or dress or act in a manner that appeal to white men, you deserve to die. It's upsetting that these people, regardless whether they disagree with Davis' lifestyle or not, can't see that this is a kid with people who cared about him, who'll never be able to see him again. That's what's so gross about this.

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Even though Dunn was found guilty on 4 of the 5 charges, let's remember that there is still the Curtis Reeves trial around the corner..



Before we all hope that the legal system no longer has it's head up it's ass, let's see what the outcome of this trial will be.

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AExcept she charged the man with 1st degree murder...A charge which in this case is damn near impossible .
Look I agree that the jury dropped the ball by not convicting on manslaughter or better yet murder 2. Fact is Corey knew she didn't have a murder one and she went for it anyway.
Other than that I agree with everything Merriweather is getting at..


EDIT to remove a condescending remark I made. Sorry if it was read before I was able to remove it.
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You're right, because Florida's implementation of Stand Your Ground is that much of a travesty:



http://www.salon.com/2014/02/16/michael_...d_justice/

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Ahttp://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/shocking-interview-michael-dunns-neighbor

Well...This dude was just itching to play badass....good luck in prison jerk.
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A little bit of Florida sunshine, just for variety.



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Miami motorway drivers save five-month-old



Pamela Rauseo, 37, performs CPR on her nephew, five-month-old Sebastian de la Cruz 20 February 2014Pamela Rauseo performed CPS on her five-month-old nephew during a tense moment on a Miami motorway

An infant who had stopped breathing has survived after drivers stuck on a Miami motorway rushed to his rescue.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26293685

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That woman must be a visiting Canadian or something.

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http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/shocki...s-neighbor

Well...This dude was just itching to play badass....good luck in prison jerk.


You know, because he's the victim.

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AI absolutely love my adopted hometown.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/story/news...n/6744913/
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I'm not sure if I love Florida, or hate it.



http://www.mediaite.com/online/gop-candi...ools-joke/

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AThat the story is "look at this LARPer, what an asshole," and not "look at this guy who wants to take away health care, what an asshole," seems to say more about the columnist than it does about the congressional candidate.
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Florida Delivers once again



http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/s...-re/nfQrS/



Unfortunately you cannot read the entire story online, I read it this morning in the paper. Basically we will have a whole


bunch of people packing heat during an evacuation during a state of emergency such as a hurricane. Guess I better


not be wearing a hoodie next time a storm blows into town, that's just asking for it.

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That the story is "look at this LARPer, what an asshole," and not "look at this guy who wants to take away health care, what an asshole," seems to say more about the columnist than it does about the congressional candidate.


Yeah, the LARPing part is goofy but harmless. The weird sexual violence connotations of that message he posted, though...that's a window to the Republican soul.

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http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/04/fl.../20863179/



All in all, a very sad story, but where else but Florida?

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AWouldn't a body that fell 16 stories leave a bit of a mess?

I've never committed suicide before.
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Someone in the comments suggested that this was a "mistake that anyone could of made" because of...RealDolls. I have no doubt that if senior citizen RealDolls don't exist, they will in the very near future, but what the fuck kind of leap does a person have to make (and what kind of fucking idiot does he/she have to be) to totally bypass all logical permutations and go straight to mannequin? Fucking especially after physically handling the corpse!?

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