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Marvel Cinematic Universe Discussion
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The weird thing about the Tilda scene is Banner disagrees with her take on how it works. “With all due respect, I’m not sure the science really supports that”. By the end of the scene he believes her view... but it’s nuts that this film features it’s own characters squabbling about how this works.

If it’s the BRANCHES ONLY HAPPEN WHEN A STONE IS REMOVED the the whole thing is nuts. You could raid history for whatever you need (e.g. more Pym particle) , save dead people moments before their death, etc.

If it’s BRANCHES HAPPEN EVERY TIME THERE IS A JUMP then it makes slightly more sense. Our heroes can’t raid other timelines, cause those timelines will suffer for whatever was taken. Alt-Gamora is fine, cause no one will miss her. Getting an Alt-Nat is not fine since the snap won’t be undone...
... however, this system doesn’t explain WTF happened with Cap. It leaves big question marks about how the stones are returned without splitting the timeline again since EVERY JUMP is a new branch.

As I’ve said, my main complaint is it that the time travel system should work a specific way or not, it just seems real messy and that gets to me on every viewing.
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(03-03-2021, 02:15 AM)kriegaffe Wrote: The weird thing about the Tilda scene is Banner disagrees with her take on how it works. “With all due respect, I’m not sure the science really supports that”. By the end of the scene he believes her view... but it’s nuts that this film features it’s own characters squabbling about how this works.

If it’s the BRANCHES ONLY HAPPEN WHEN A STONE IS REMOVED the the whole thing is nuts. You could raid history for whatever you need (e.g. more Pym particle) , save dead people moments before their death, etc.  [EDITOR'S NOTE:  THIS IS WHAT I BELIEVE THE MOVIE SAYS IS THE CASE ... I MIGHT BE WRONG, BUT THAT'S MY READING OF HULK AND TILDA'S EXPOSITION DUMPS, AND YEAH, IT MAKES EVERYTHING COMPLETELY NUTS]

If it’s BRANCHES HAPPEN EVERY TIME THERE IS A JUMP then it makes slightly more sense. Our heroes can’t raid other timelines, cause those timelines will suffer for whatever was taken. Alt-Gamora is fine, cause no one will miss her. Getting an Alt-Nat is not fine since the snap won’t be undone...
... however, this system doesn’t explain WTF happened with Cap. It leaves big question marks about how the stones are returned without splitting the timeline again since EVERY JUMP is a new branch.  [EDITOR'S NOTE:  EXACTLY!!! IT'S COMPLETELY MORALLY BANKRUPT TO ALTER HALF A DOZEN NEW TIMELINES INTO EXISTENCE WITH NO IDEA WHETHER THEY'LL END UP HORRIBLE VICTIMS OF THANOS]

As I’ve said, my main complaint is it that the time travel system should work a specific way or not, it just seems real messy and that gets to me on every viewing.

Well put.

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If they can't fix timelines, what the heck is Cap doing at the end? Wouldn't Hulk have told him, "Hey man, don't bother. Just bury that junk in the backyard or something."
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Hmmm...

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They're carrying out the lazily scripted plot points of the screen writers.
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He's sexing the infinity stone back into Natalie Porkman, just like I would have, just like a god damn HERO!
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I don't think it's weird that Banner squabbles with Tilda. He's basically functioning as audience proxy in that exchange. Plus, you, know the old trick of imparting information via dialogue.

While I agree the scene with Banner and the Ancient seems to imply that removing a Stone is the only thing that creates a branching timeline, I don't think that's the actual case in the MCU reality/multiverse/whatever. I mean, they're only concerned about the Stones so they're only going to be interacting with timelines/events/people tied directly to them.

Also, what bradito said: time travel nonsense isn't the point of the film.
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Unless it’s to set up up a ‘you fucked with the multiverse’ phase. Which I’m hoping is what happens.
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(03-03-2021, 09:42 AM)turingmachine75 Wrote: Unless it’s to set up up a ‘you fucked with the multiverse’ phase. Which I’m hoping is what happens.

It might but that doesn't mean it's the point of the movie. With the exception of IW/EG (the Russos and writers started working on the two films in 2015), the MCU has not been a rigidly, meticulously plotted and planned serious of arcs.

If Phase Four takes advantage of the repercussions of the time travel in ENDGAME, I think it's a bit more of the "happy accident", such as SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING using the events of the first Avengers film as framing but not as THE POINT of the movie.
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Good point. I meant it more as it’s the intentional jumping off point for the point of the next phase of points.
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(03-03-2021, 04:50 AM)freeman Wrote: He's sexing the infinity stone back into Natalie Porkman, just like I would have, just like a god damn HERO!

I Googled that and as I suspected yes, an actual pornstar.
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FWIW, I fired up my mental firewalls to deal with all the crap I hated, and admittedly enjoyed most of the back half of ENDGAME.

I may never watch it again, but I’m happy to slot it away in the mental archives as “Not terrible”.

Now, WandaVision...
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(Yesterday, 03:42 AM)kriegaffe Wrote: Now, WandaVision...

Ugh ...

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It's probably Spawn's favorite show.
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Gimme that Spawn movie I keep hearing about. That's some grim dark I can get behind.
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(Today, 01:07 AM)Overlord Wrote:
(Yesterday, 03:42 AM)kriegaffe Wrote: Now, WandaVision...

Ugh ...

In classic me fashion, I've already read about what happens in WandaVision. And ok, maybe I'll put that on the back burner. My kids want to watch Runaways instead anyway (Marvel, but not MCU)
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It's not that bad. Ovie's being a grump.
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There's a lot of Marvel that I am really psyched for (GotG 3, Dr Strange 2, Loki) so I thought I should at least blast through WV since I'm already paying for the D+ subscription.
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It's hardly a disaster. There's some very good stuff, some very dumb stuff, and a big story conceit that's kind of cool and memorable, as long as you don't think too much about the real world implications. Like Endgame!
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Oh Wandavision is HEAPS better than Runaways. Personally, I'd put it in the upper half of Marvel shows/films.

As for its connection to the films, I guess the main thing it does is finally let Wanda become a real character.
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