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AMC Presents Garth Ennis' Preacher (written by Seth Rogen & Evan Goldberg...yes really)
AEnnis' best use of animals is an issue of The Punisher, where Frank's cornered by gangsters in a zoo. He gets a cute polar bear to slap the head off one thug.
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I also remember Streets of Glory, where at the turn of the century the main character sees a motorized vehicle for the first time. Instead of expressing his distaste for technology, the ex-cavalryman notes that it might mean they won't have to take horses to war any more.
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Is this really going to happen?



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AI truly hope so, Shaun...but only if it's done right. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty sure it won't be a slavish adaptation as long as they get the tone and the themes of the story, I'll be happy. I'm hoping they get the core characters right...if they do that I think the show has the potential to be great. I'm even willing to see them do away with some of the goofier and unneeded characters (cough...Arseface...cough) if it means a more streamlined show.
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AWe couldn't be further in disagreement! But respectfully so.
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AHow so?
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What I fear most is that they'll water it down and excise bits to replace with their own. I'd prefer it be faithful, rather than thematically so. So few movies/shows manage to pull it off regardless of how they approach it, so I'd settle for seeing it realized as it was originally envisioned.

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I don't think I've ever seen a successful adaptation of a graphic novel I really like. It's good to know that this will reach a wider audience but I share Shaun's concerns and fear that it'll be watered down in the same way something like Watchmen was.



Prove me wrong, AMC. I'd love to be proved wrong so fucking much.

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I doubt the guys who made Pineapple Express and This Is The End are itching to water it down, content-wise. But I think not being able to go full HBO with sex and violence will only help the material, which tended to fall into juvenile shock tactics while the far more challenging stuff about religion just sort of sat there. Ennis started off with this fascinating premise and then didn't know what to do with it beyond going "HAH HAH I'M DOING A COMIC ABOUT RELIGION AND THERE'S LOTS OF SEX AND VIOLENCE HA HA RELIGION IS FOR LAMEOIDS POOP ON JESUS HA HA" which got really tiresome. I actually think the show could be MORE challenging and controversial simply by engaging with the ideas.

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I kind of have to agree with that. A recent reread confirmed that Preacher is a fucking perfect book for the high school kid that wears punk rock jackets and smokes cigarettes in the parking lot during recess, but is a bit raw as an adult. As an adaptation, I'm hoping it's something they iron out, but then, Rogen as a producer suggests they'll keep the tone mostly intact.

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Arseface should be excised.  His whole point of existing (trying to emulate Kurt Cobain) isn't relevant 20 years later.  Any of his necessary plot points can be handled by others without much issue.

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If the film takes place during the time it was written, then it's more than relevant.

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Originally Posted by Shaun H View Post
 

If the film takes place during the time it was written, then it's more than relevant.



That doesn't change the point that he could be excised pretty easily.  As I recall, Arseface wasn't in the script that Garth Ennis wrote when he was trying to get a feature film of PREACHER made.

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I bet Assface is in. I bet they try to get Joseph Gordon-Levitt too, but he'll say no.

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AI tend to agree with Prankster, but, I guess I should clarify my thoughts a bit. I'm not looking for a 'Walking Dead' style of adaptation that deviates dramatically from the source material, rather I'd like to see a tightening of the storyline that does justice to the main plots/themes of the books. I feel Prankster and Arjen hit the nail on the head when they talked about some of the problems Ennis had with the series as it progressed...the biggest one being (in my opinion) that he kept adding things he wanted to rail against. The story started as a fairly simple one, that God is a cowardly creature, unable to survive the scrutiny of his creations. It rapidly turned into Ennis' study of everything that is right (and wrong) with 'The American Dream'...allowing him to examine really engaging topics like; the immigrant experience, racism, drug problems, economic opportunities (or lack thereof), crime, sexual politics, and institutional corruption. A long form tv format would allow all of these themes to be looked at...I'm just not sure you need all the extraneous (and in some cases, puerile) characters to do so, when there are better main characters to use. Does the series really need Arseface, The Sexual Detectives, or ex-porn actor who electrocuted his co-star in "...a horrible hot-tub vibrator accident" when you already have great character arcs with the main characters that deal with the same issues?

Sorry this was so long but I really love this comic series and am just hoping it can be pulled off in a decent way...
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I bet Assface is in. I bet they try to get Joseph Gordon-Levitt too, but he'll say no.



It's Arseface*.  Get it right.








*Uuh-Fuuuh is also acceptable.

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You can't deny that admittedly juvenile stuff doesn't give the comic a bit of texture though. It reminds you not to take any of it too seriously. Easy to miss that as a teenager, but I don't think profundity is what this story needs or deserves.



And I do think Rogen and co. will probably have a pretty blunt hand with the dickpunch stuff. At least a lot of it will be funny.

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AI agree, Arjen...it just that there is soooo much of it throughout the series that some of it can go...it gets kind of numbing, after a while.
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I wonder if they're gonna keep Cassidy as a vampire.  People who are unfamiliar with the property are going to be asked to buy into the whole religious conspiracy, the power of God walking the earth, and an immortal Clint Eastwood running around killing everyone (and that's just in the first couple of episodes).  Adding a vampire into the mix might be going a step too far, especially since it doesn't necessarily relate to the OTHER things that are in there.

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AJudas...I think from the Rogen interview, they are keeping vampire Cass as is, if I recall correctly.
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It's Arseface*.  Get it right.








*Uuh-Fuuuh is also acceptable.



That just made me laugh you bastard. Arseface MUST be in this show...with subtitles!

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That just made me laugh you bastard. Arseface MUST be in this show...with subtitles!



Here he is singing 'Wonderwall':


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You can't lose Arseface! Come on! And this is from the guy who was just complaining about the juvenile crap. (The Kurt Cobain thing can easily be dropped, it's not like teenagers need someone to compel them to commit suicide...)



It's not that I want profundity, it's that I want the ideas to, like, go somewhere. The biggest problem with the comic from a narrative standpoint is that Ennis basically loses interest in the "chasing down God" premise not even halfway through the series. It becomes a story about a love triangle and a friendship gone bad, and even the Grail stuff kind of gets sidelined. Having Herr Starr become a joke is...well, I'd say it was ballsy, but again, it seems more of a piece with Ennis's tendency to ridicule his characters and then lose interest in them. Let me be clear: I don't really mind the juvenile aspect of the series per se, though it's not my favourite thing, it's just that the juvenalia becomes the point and the story--which was well-crafted for the first bit--just peters out. There's clearly a stronger, character-based story in Preacher trying to get out, and I guess it does, but you shouldn't make a huge part of your story extraneous just to explore it.

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So, I RT Seth's pic yesterday about the Willie Nelson song for my buddy (who turned me on to the comic), who replied back to Seth:



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 Please change as little as possible. Also cast Clint as the Saint Of Killers. It's what Garth intended.


To which Seth replied:



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 as far as how the story unfolds, we are changing a lot.


To which he replied:



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 does that mean no inbred descendant of Christ?


To which Seth replied:



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 ha! How do you lose humperdoo?


So, I'm already heartbroken, but still remain intrigued.

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AI just reread "Gone to Texas." It was like catching up with old friends.
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AI've been meaning to find the time. I've only read the run once, so I've forgotten a lot. Kinda giddy!
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I read the entire run every 2-3 years, but I read 'Good Old Boys' (with Jody and TC) at least once a year.  Shane Black needs to turn that into a movie.

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AI remember the first time I went through the series and Bill Hicks showed up.

In the comic, not in my mom's basement where I was reading the comic.

Anyway, that blew my mind.
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That issue was a revelation.  Justified every issue afterward.

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Ruth Negga?  Are they fucking joking?  Just give Jody and TC one more fucking thing to beat Jesse about why doncha.



Maybe I need to see her outside of Agents of SHIELD but her demeanor and attitude don't fit Tulip in the slightest.



And some kid named Ian Coletti has been cast as Arseface.

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Ruth Negga is a very odd choice, even when playing the villain she's got a demureness about her that doesn't seem right for the role. I've always thought of Tulip as an early white trash Charlize Theron. Maybe the character's been changed.

I might have been born yesterday sir, but I stayed up all night!
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Maybe the character's been changed.


I would say so.

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http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/m.../?a=117144



Joe Gilgun cast as Cassidy.  Interest level cautiously rising with each bit of news here . . .

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I really like Gilgun and he seems to have a knack for accents so he should be fine as an Irish vampire. It's definitely a much better casting decision than Ruth Negga as Tulip.

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AWow. So this is actually happening. It feels a bit weird in that.
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