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The UK election
#1
AAfter last week's revelation that a UKip member doesn't like Negroes or people with "Negroid features" EG "shiny skin" here's more UKip fun:

"Winston McKenzie, self-described "really tough dude", has been a member of at least five different parties, yet has failed to ever be elected. He's standing to be an MP in Croydon, a place he described to me like this: "If you can't see it's a dump, then you need some psychological help."

Despite his electoral failure, McKenzie maintains he's "one of the most experienced politicians in the country – I've sat on all different sides of the fences, I get around, I'm a real man". I wasn't sure if he was coming on to me at this point, so to test the water I asked him about his previous homophobic remarks and what he made of the gays generally.

"The LGBT community exists," he affirmed. "They are real, regardless of whether you believe in what they do or not." He went on to explain that there are people "it seems, within that community, who are actually happy to live that way".




http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-ukip-...agined-189
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#2

I still think UKIP are not going to do as well as the polls suggest they do. They're currently at 14 - 15 percent depending on the polls, but what people say in a poll and what they do in the ballot box is always skewed if they're not talking about voting for one of the big two.



Lib Dems last election were a case in point. They were neck and neck with Labour at the end, but once people actually got into the voting booth I think they realised that "If I vote for anything other than Lab/Con, then Con/Lab may well get in on this seat".



By-elections and defections aside, UKIP are basically personified by Farage. The rest of the party only show up in the news when they're being horribly racist or bigoted. Smile



SNP will be the Kingmakers this time. They're going to dominate Scotland. They stopped being a protest vote in Scotland three or four elections ago and are now pretty much the only choice. They desperately need a second party in Scotland that's not part of the Westminster establishment.

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#3
A[URL=http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/nigel-farage-is-rehabilitating-racism-549]
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#4
AI have a friend who works for the BBC that assures me they have some absolute gold on Ukip that we'll being seeing shortly. I'm quite excited.

Blue Lou's link warmed my cockles. It's fine to know that they are abhorrent but its always reaffirming when you see it. 'Chinky', 'negroid', 'Bongo Bongo land'. They aren't just blips or one offs. It's the very core of the party whether Farage will admit it or not. That they constantly try and laugh it off with 'that's just how us working class talk' is beyond infuriating, it's criminal.
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#5

How many people do you think will vote for UKip as a protest? Against the EU, the current PM, etc?

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#6
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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants View Post

I have a friend who works for the BBC that assures me they have some absolute gold on Ukip that we'll being seeing shortly. I'm quite excited.

Blue Lou's link warmed my cockles. It's fine to know that they are abhorrent but its always reaffirming when you see it. 'Chinky', 'negroid', 'Bongo Bongo land'. They aren't just blips or one offs. It's the very core of the party whether Farage will admit it or not. That they constantly try and laugh it off with 'that's just how us working class talk' is beyond infuriating, it's criminal.


They're going to have to release it soon. Their own impartiality rules will open them up to all sorts of criticism if they release such 'exposes' close to the election.



And, in all honesty? UKIP thrive on this kind of stuff. The BBC are full of the Islington Middle Class Liberal Elite who don't get the Working Class Folk And Their Real Problems. The Guardian reports stuff on this all the time, and then Farage just plays the victim card. And it works.



As I said, personally I reckon UKIP will be a non-factor once the ballots go in.



It says a lot though that the thread about the UK Election opens up with a story about them though. They're just more interesting than the main parties and the media love 'em.



Why haven't Plaid caught the popular imagination over in the Valleys, Mike? Again, last polling over there I saw puts UKIP at 16 and Plaid at 10. I always figured UKIP represents the stereotype of the Little Englander mentality and it would be rejected out of hand over there (as they have in Scotland).

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#7
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How many people do you think will vote for UKip as a protest? Against the EU, the current PM, etc?



Protest votes are for the EU elections and local elections. The electorate tend to think those elections don't matter. If you hate the PM on Election Day, you vote for the other guy.



UKIP are playing the immigration card way more than the EU card at the moment. Those factors are tied together of course, but by framing it as a treaty based decision and not a "Rivers of Blood" type decision, they seem to be making an alarming amount of headway.

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#8
AOverall immigration is good because it benefits the economy but too much is a concern for many people, you don't have to be xenophobic to admit that. I mean in terms of pressure on public services like schools and hospitals. Net migration into Britain was something like 600,000 last year. That said leaving the EU would be a big mistake.

I agree with flint that the SNP could be kingmakers in May. Crazy talk 6 months ago.
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#9
AAre you terminally ill? Bugger off!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics...itain.html
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#10

Lol, does that mean we should have kicked out Malala Yousafzai when she was brought over? That could have been awkward.

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#11
AProbably! And do you think Farage inadvertently pulls that face when he hears a foreign language on the train?!
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#12

I swear, you can tell a lot about the press and the papers you're reading by the shots they get of political figures.



Sinister underlighting for union bosses and Salmond.



Gormless expressions for Milliband.



Smug mocking laughter for Cameron and Osbourne.



Farage just... well, honestly, I don't think I've ever seen the guy pull a normal face... so I think I'll give them a pass there.

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#13
ASNP train rolls on:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse...s-victory/
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#14

The Irish reference is a bit alarming, but it's quite possible depending on how infuriated the Scots get with the next government. I do reckon we'll get another referendum in five years tops.

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#15

Re; Immigration. I have to say it: the UK is way more tolerant of immigrants who espouse extremist points of view, AKA Muslim Extremist points of view.



Here in the US we arrest retarded people if they spend too much time on a Jihadist website. In the UK it seems like Imans can openly incite violence for years with no response from the government.




Yay for Free Speech I guess but I can see how things like that combine with your basic Bigotry to make a lethal brew.

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#16

The thing about UKIP which people fail to understand is that these scandals don't do much to alienate them from their voter base. The liberal left was never going to vote for them anyway. The only people they need to/can appeal to are the disaffected right wing who don't care about upsetting the sensibilities of the consciously politically correct.

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#17
AJust watched the debate. Completely pointless. Cameron says it's working. Milliband says it isn't. Clegg says neither of their plans will work. Bennett says we need to be more humane. Woods and Sturgeon argue over who got it worse Scotland or Wales and Farage blames Foreign aid and immigration for everything. All you needed were the opening statements everything else was redundant.

The thing with Farage is, it's an illusion. He's very charismatic there's no doubt. And he sets himself up as the antithesis of The Tories and Labour which is very appealing. But he still is the spokesperson for a bigoted far right wing party. He knows when to talk but more importantly he knows when not to talk. He's a salesman selling a dodgy motor. There was a girl on Question Time who bemoaned the fact that the election is all about the personality of the leaders and she's right. UKIP shouldn't even be in the conversation but because we've been told Farage is a bit of a rebel now he's got this platform. And of course no one wants to hear about labour because Milliband blah blah blah bacon Sandwich. It's so frustrating. I voted Lib Dem last time because I believed Clegg was sincere but it was alll bullshit. I've no idea who I'm voting for. Probably Greens again but that's effectively a protest vote. I'm so disillusioned.

I hate this narrative that Farage says what other people won't say. There's a fucking reason people won't say it. It doesn't make him courageous it makes him a master manipulator. I hate the man but he's a bloody good politician.
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#18

So is anyone else still hopelessly undecided?



I have no doubt I'm going to end up staring at the options for a minute then choose Labour. I just know I'll hate myself for voting 'tactically'.

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#19

Totally pointless for me, as usual. Boris Johnson is standing as my MP, no way he's not going to clean up... it was already a Tory Safe Seat. I was thinking I might as well vote for one of the smaller parties as a way of pushing their national vote share up.



I'm actually quite a right wing leaner and have traditionally been a Conservative vote. My primary concern is that the government doesn't interfere in my affairs, but this one has become pretty beholden to the wannabe Nanny State of Mumsnet anyway. Plus their plan to restrict 'adult entertainment websites' scares the bejeezus out of me, not just as a card carrying perv, but as someone who doesn't want government control over the internet.



I'm reasonably pro-EU so UKIP is right out and I trust Labour to represent my interests about as much as I can shot put them. Lib Dems got my vote last time, but they've proven to be totally ineffective and will be rightly annihilated.



Greens are a possibility I suppose.



Either way, Boris is going to be representing me in parliament and will most likely be the PM after next. So that's something I suppose!

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#20
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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants View Post
 

So is anyone else still hopelessly undecided?



I have no doubt I'm going to end up staring at the options for a minute then choose Labour. I just know I'll hate myself for voting 'tactically'.



I'm in a relatively safe Tory seat. I'll probably vote blue just to add my paper to the pile resisting any shift to UKIP. I live in a constituency full of old bitter white people.



I just hope to hell either Labour or the Cons can make a coalition with the Lib-Dems. I think they've been unfairly castigated, and have suffered wrongly for being in a government that was never going to be anything other than unpopular (left or right) given the terrible state our finances were in. Apart from the tuition fees u-turn, which was a damn stupid ditch to die in, I think they've done a fair job of keeping the coalition fairly centrist in key areas like tax policy.



Or to put it another way - if either UKIP or the SNP end up having a say in the next five years of government, I may well take my tax pounds and go find someone more sensible to pay them to.

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#21
A[quote name="flint" url="/community/t/153195/the-uk-election#post_3883048"]I'm actually quite a right wing leaner and have traditionally been a Conservative vote. My primary concern is that the government doesn't interfere in my affairs, but this one has become pretty beholden to the wannabe Nanny State of Mumsnet anyway. Plus their plan to restrict 'adult entertainment websites' scares the bejeezus out of me, not just as a card carrying perv, but as someone who doesn't want government control over the internet.[/quote]

Given the quantity of political parties you guys have over there, I can't imagine settling for the one that threatens to take away my internet porn. There's no way that that's healthy. With the number of years you guys lost by outlawing porn for the VHS, it's a wonder your cultural output didn't begin to resemble Japan's.
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#22

Porn (and 'wont someone think of the children'!) is basically just a smokescreen for governmental controls.



They tried to push through a universal filter all uk ISP traffic had to go through and thankfully everyone pointed out that's just a wee bit Chinese. That translated into forcing the ISPs to provide filtering options and have them turned on by default, unless people requested otherwise (annoying). The government is strangely perplexed that the takeup for the filters has been pathetic.



The latest proposal involves having adult sites verify whether you are 18 or not definitively. Any site that does not do this, get's blacklisted. Since there's no way of doing this (any kid can get a credit card after all), that basically is going to result in the UK blocking xhamster and the like. We already do this with torrent sites and stuff.



That offends me on a pervert, libertarian and technological level. Smile



(Obviously, bypassing these blocks is trivial, but the concept terrifies me)



Labour will do exactly the same thing. The 'terrified but technologically incompetent parent' voting block is too big.

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#23

God, it's making out like this is the primary issue I'm interested in. *blush*



There's like the economy and stuff too... I hear that's important.

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#24
AI'm Conservative, just. Lots of their proposed policies are dumb, but still much better than most of Labour or UKIP policies. The less said about the Greens the better.

Interesting guide to potential 'Portillo moments' in this election:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse...h-out-for/
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#25
APaxo is bringing the funny on Channel 4's alternative election night. Even if David Mitchell wrote all his jokes.
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#26
AIt's all a bit ramshackle.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me. How are The Sun and The Mail allowed to explicitly tell you who to vote for but the TV coverages arent allowed to influence? What's the difference there?
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#27
AWoah, BBC exit poll says Cons 316, Lab 239. And where did Nick Robinson's voice go??
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#28
AThink Nick Robinson had surgery for throat cancer or similar a few weeks back. Plus I've just noticed he has ears like Vulcan or a wood elf.

Absolutely none of the parties represented my views this election - the Conservaties and Labour different sides of the same coin. Green and Libs both ineffective parties and UKIP, as much as I want to be out of Europe and just trade with them, well I just can't bring myself to vote for them.

I did vote, but this parliament will not represent me.
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#29
A[quote name="Mike's Pants" url="/community/t/153195/the-uk-election#post_3883942"]It's all a bit ramshackle.

Perhaps someone can enlighten me. How are The Sun and The Mail allowed to explicitly tell you who to vote for but the TV coverages arent allowed to influence? What's the difference there?[/quote]

Maybe because a paper is something you choose to buy? And broadcasters have to be impartial, unlike in the US where you get dirge like Fox News.

The press has more freedom.
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#30
AYou've got to be joking - the bbc website for the past 2 weeks has been so massively pro-Labour it's almost farcical.
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#31

Fuck me, that's a bit of a turn up if it's true. Rumour is that Ed Balls has gone too.

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#32
AThat would be fucking hilarious. Proper shifting the numbers this year - UKIP have really taken numbers from all parties.

Just been mentioned that Farage might have come third in the constituency he's standing for.
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#33
AIf Farage loses then UKIP might not survive.
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#34
AAgreed. Farage is the figurehead of the party plus the figurehead of a now viable credible vote that has started to erode the usual two party system. I hope he stays if only to continue that trend.

To be honest, I like Farage as a politician and as an orator, I just can bring myself to vote for his party or his ideals.
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#35
AHe definitely has more personality than Cameron or Miliband, although recently his 'bloke down the pub' shtick has become tiresome.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall in a private UKip meeting with Farage & Co after they've had a few beers. Find out what they really believe.
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