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The Maybe, Possibly, Impending Destruction of Louis CK
#1
Ahttp://www.thesuperficial.com/louis-ck-sexual-assault-abuse-female-comics-masturbate-jen-kirkman-podcast-gawker-05-2015
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#2

See I knew Louie was getting ready for a downfall. Whenever anyone loves you for too long.... Although if he really is guilty then he has it coming.

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#3
ALike I mentioned in another thread, I briefly dated a female comic a few years ago who told me that Louie had beaten off in front of her. I thought it was weird second date conversation, but I figured that was just shit comics talked about over nachos.
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#4
AIs it weird that I'm not THAT surprised about this?

He makes me laugh and all but I always thought he had weird views about women, especially on his fiction work.
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#5
AI'm not surprised, but I am disappointed. I don't expect people I admire to be any less than human, but CK always struck me as having enough self-awareness to *not* do shit like this. The story is traveling, so we'll see what happens.
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#6
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He makes me laugh and all but I always thought he had weird views about women

Really? See it's weird because I have seen a few of his bits held up by feminists. The one about women having courage to get into cars with men and then the white privilege one.

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#7
AWhich reminds me: I'll wait to see how this all shakes out before passing judgement, but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to go back to the posts I've seen around here arguing that Louis CK is better than (comedian X) because he's progressive/speaking truth to power! and have a good healthy snicker later...
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#8
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Which reminds me: I'll wait to see how this all shakes out before passing judgement, but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to go back to the posts I've seen around here arguing that Louis CK is better than (comedian X) because he's progressive/speaking truth to power! and have a good healthy snicker later...

Well for the record I do think he is a good comedian but not because I think he is some upstanding individual who cares about people's rights. Hell most of the most beloved comics were terrible people. Like everyone loves Pryor but didn't he beat women? Eddie Murphy must have said faggot 100 times in a special and I doubt he truly changed his mind.. And Sam Kinison hated gays. Like he wasn't joking he hated the lifestyle and got protested by gay rights groups several times. Now when you add Cosby and possibly Louie...oh boy.

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#9

I'm not surprised.  He always seemed to have a swarmy side, but I'd think he's better then this.  It's disgusting to be honest.

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#10


Kate knows something Louis doesn't - and Louis seems definitely fazed.  This is hardly a career killer - he's probably blacklisted from big prime-time networks like NBC, but that will probably blow over if nothing else surfaces.  One thing about Louis is that he doesn't seem very smart about handling these things, compared to say Eddie Murphy or even Dice or Kinison .... those guys would just ignore questions and somehow managed to get their "lifetime bans" overturned.  Eddie famously stopped calling in to Stern cold after his scandal, even though he was technically still a friend of the show and even showed up to the premiere of Stern's movie.  I could see Louis digging a deeper hole for himself talking to O&A or Stern, or even just some cake-walk interview with Jimmy Kimmel or Charlie Rose.

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#11

This is very disheartening. I'd always figured Louis was something of a perv, bu the type of perv who would never cross a woman's boundaries unless she wanted him to.

I might have been born yesterday sir, but I stayed up all night!
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#12
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Originally Posted by WendellEverett View Post
 

  I could see Louis digging a deeper hole for himself talking to O&A or Stern, or even just some cake-walk interview with Jimmy Kimmel or Charlie Rose.


Eventually he might have to.  He'll be promoting something eventually and a reporter will bring it  up.

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#13

Didn't similar allegations come up a few years ago?  What happened back then?

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#14

The thing is, a guy with Louis' profile and scratch should have a publicist/lawyer team that keeps him away from that sort of liability.  If someone wants to interview Louis for their stupid podcast, they don't bring up the allegation, period - and that means signed documents, lawyers, the whole deal.   Chris Brown is still one of the biggest singers in the world, even if he isn't allowed on The Today Show or SNL, and he has to throw money at the poor schmucks he assaults ... for years my wife and I were shocked that he got a pass, but it's been like a decade now, and the music is good, so we stopped turning the channel every time one of his hits come on.  Now that he's vulnerable, if Louis wants to stay relevant he's going to have to kill interviews and stand-up dead and stick to film-making - Woody Allen and Eddie Murphy both knew how to play a situation like this and both stayed big stars pulling in millions for decades really.

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#15
AIt's not even that big yet. It doesn't sound like he put his hands on anyone (maybe, but it's a bit vague at the moment), but it still looks like he definitely orbited an area of sexual assault. Unfortunately for him, I don't think this is something that he can just roll into his act and laugh off. This isn't a Pee-Wee Herman situation where no one else was involved. He appears to have actively put women in an ugly, uncomfortable situation, fellow performers no less. That's just shitty. It's a shitty thing to do to anyone, but it's another level to do it to peers who probably looked up to you.
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#16
ANot to mention that it's sort of different than a Chris Brown situation. Half of Louie's act centers on his view of morality and much of it on feminism. If this ends up tainting him he won't have a foot to stand on anymore with regards to those things.
I might have been born yesterday sir, but I stayed up all night!
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#17
AI guess that's when you know you've made it as a female comic, going from Tribble gigs to awkwardly watching Louie rub one out in a Ramada Inn.
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#18

"Goooood... Twice the pride... double the fall..."



-- Count Dooku, Revenge of the Sith





"Trying to double your fun, eh Louie?  Well, I'll DOUBLE your detention!"



-- Principal Skinner, Endgame

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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Which reminds me: I'll wait to see how this all shakes out before passing judgement, but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to go back to the posts I've seen around here arguing that Louis CK is better than (comedian X) because he's progressive/speaking truth to power! and have a good healthy snicker later...


I'm not going to snicker about it, but yeah, I remember the episode of Louie where he detailed the plight of fat women and how disrespected they are (in the most heavy-handed nature, no less). Consequently followed by dozens of articles praising Louie for his compassion and understanding of women.



If this is true than he's such a joke. And it'll be interesting to see how many progressive minded individuals (FILM CRIT HULK used to work for him) reconcile with this.

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#20
ATo say Louis CK is one of my idols would be an understatement. I'd still describe this as hearsay at this point but that could just be my rose tinted glasses talking. If it's true I'll be gutted, absolutely gutted. As Johnny said this isnt jacking it in an ill advised location. It's harrassment.

Time will tell
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I'm not going to snicker about it, but yeah, I remember the episode of Louie where he detailed the plight of fat women and how disrespected they are (in the most heavy-handed nature, no less). Consequently followed by dozens of articles praising Louie for his compassion and understanding of women.


It's always hard for me to take most guys seriously when they talk about that issue anyway especuially celebrities. Every time I hear a celebrity talk it and proclaim all women are beautiful I always google them to find out who they are seeing and who they have seen and every single time it's a model. Sometimes 15 or 20 years younger. Even the female celebrities sound like bullshit. It's the right thing to say right now if you want to look good in the public eye. The lesson? Don't believe whatever a celebrity spouts unless you really see them put it in action.

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#22

What are the allegations exactly?  Everything I've seen only makes vague references to making female comedians watch him jerk off.  Getting off on having people watch you masturbate barely even warrants the designation of "fetish" in the grand scheme, so I'm assuming there is some unsavory level of coercion being talked about, but I can't find details.

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#23

Allegedly, he doesn't let them leave.

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#24
AOr come.

Which is so selfish.
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#25
AWith the sparse information available, my brain says "Tell him to fuck off and just leave the room", but I don't know. If he isn't forcibly restraining anyone, then I guess he might be hitting them with threats against their career or withdrawing his support or whatever (that, or they might be *thinking* that will happen). As the one woman suggests, when she tried to talk about it, she received a lot of blowback and warnings against coming out.

I try not to use the word privilege, but I've never been in a situation where I felt I was powerless or the threat of losing something important meant that I had to put up with bullshit. That's not to say that I haven't been faced with harassment, I have, but I'm possessed of a tremendously low tolerance level for fuckery and a decent sized vindictive streak, so I handled it. Whatever is going on, I suppose that's why it's really easy and maybe unfair for me to think "just leave".
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With the sparse information available, my brain says "Tell him to fuck off and just leave the room", but I don't know. If he isn't forcibly restraining anyone, then I guess he might be hitting them with threats against their career or withdrawing his support or whatever (that, or they might be *thinking* that will happen). As the one woman suggests, when she tried to talk about it, she received a lot of blowback and warnings against coming out.

I try not to use the word privilege, but I've never been in a situation where I felt I was powerless or the threat of losing something important meant that I had to put up with bullshit. That's not to say that I haven't been faced with harassment, I have, but I'm possessed of a tremendously low tolerance level for fuckery and a decent sized vindictive streak, so I handled it. Whatever is going on, I suppose that's why it's really easy and maybe unfair for me to think "just leave".

Actually just leave would be completely fair but in the one story he actually was supposed to have stood in front of the door and not let them leave. That's where it becomes an actual crime. And if talking about it could hurt their career......

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#27

George Carlin still rules the comedy roost in my opinion. He never jerked off in front of anyone or raped anybody.

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#28

That is such an insane, bizarre thing to die.  I hate to say something so gross but I'd love to be a fly on the wall, if only so I can see exactly what a fucking weird situation looks like.

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#29
AWhat makes it even weirder (or not) to picture is the fact that I've seen him faux-masterbate during his routines. He's an admitted perv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-733kKsdUk

I have a tough time imagining him threaten "Watch me rub one out or I'll ruin your career." I'd guess people may feel intimidated based on his Level Acheved, but actual coercion?

Edit: and being a kid show host, it took years for Paul Reubens to bounce back from the stigma.
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What makes it even weirder (or not) to picture is the fact that I've seen him faux-masterbate during his routines. He's an admitted perv.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j-733kKsdUk

I have a tough time imagining him threaten "Watch me rub one out or I'll ruin your career." I'd guess people may feel intimidated based on his Level Acheved, but actual coercion?

Edit: and being a kid show host, it took years for Paul Reubens to bounce back from the stigma.



I kinda hate to hear this. I listened to Amy Poehler's audio memoir this weekend during a roadtrip and she is constantly singing Louis Ck's praises. She definitely wouldn't seem like the type that would be friends with a man those alleged crimes.

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#31

I sincerely hope this isn't true, but it's kind of difficult to not think that it is.

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#32

It seems like someone with his success wouldn't have to pressure fellow comics to watch him diddle himself. Wouldn't there be groupies galore willing to do that? Or would it be some sort of power trip? I never understand this stuff.

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#33
AYeah it's always weird when these mega-celebs - who seemingly could have it all - still feel like they don't have enough. And yet we see it over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

It's that whole dark side of genius thing I guess.
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Yeah it's always weird when these mega-celebs - who seemingly could have it all - still feel like they don't have enough. And yet we see it over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

It's that whole dark side of genius thing I guess.

Well you also have to remember what it takes to get to where they are in the first place. I do believe that on some level most celebrities are mentally ill in some way shape or form. I mean just break it down. When he go out and attempt to become anything in show business, the first step is saying "out of the millions of people in this country I am more talented in this field or if not more talented enough to stand with the very small percentage that make it". Also you want millions to know your name and hopefully love you.Then you basically pound your head against the door for YEARS. Getting turned down over and over again at auditions ect all with the hope that one day something will break. You have to keep up that level of determination. Then a very small portion of them FINALLY make it. Once they get there, of course they are going to be more than a little fucked up, they probably were when they started. And then they basically have to play the popularity game for the rest of their career. Permanent high school. i mean people always say porn stars have to be so damaged but honestly I bet if the shrinks of celebs and porn stars would compare notes they would see many similarities. Maybe with less sexiness.

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#35

Also these guys are treated like SHIT when they first start out. They have people stealing their material, attacking them, telling them their too fat, stupid, ugly, unfunny, etc. all day long. Once they get even a modicum of success, they find many of their friends hate them or want to glom on to them, fuck with them etc.



And if they really get famous, it's like it's open season. I saw an interview with Emma Watson where she said her house had been broken into repeatedly, she'd been stalked, people camped outside her home etc. And that's her adolescence.



Then the cycle turns, people get tired of the celeb, so they get called a Has Been, Never Was etc.



It's a brutal life, and it take enormous ego and will power, and yeah probably a fucked up personality, to be successful on any level.

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