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The Democratic Party Going Forward
(07-02-2018, 06:09 PM)boone daniels Wrote: Stone has been beating this "people don't want democratic socialism" for months now and it's HILARIOUS.

Why?

Last time I checked, winning heavily blue districts isn't the problem.  When Democratic Socialists start winning general elections in traditionally red-leaning or at least red-held areas (you know, the places they NEED to win that aren't already heavily favoring them), then maybe I won't think they're being vastly overconfident about how many Americans genuinely want them and the implication that they would totally win everywhere "if only you would give us a chance!"
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Looks like Michigan Democrats are putting up a fight on voting rights.  The Promote the Vote campaign turned in 430,000 signatures on the state's deadline day for ballot proposal - far more than the required 316,000.  The package includes automatic registration and same-day registration:

https://twitter.com/jonathanoosting/stat...2092469251
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Anyone whining about "Bernie bros" not falling in line can get to fuck.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/10...5268575232

The Dems would rather lose to a Republican than let a leftist win.
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Bernie progressive complaining about someone going third party? Oh, the irony!
Not so much tooth!
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I'm misremembering when Bernie went third party for the presidential election.

All the calls for unity run one way, even when the traditional candidate is trounced. The Democratic Party doesn't want actual change. They want everyone else to fall in line behind their failure.
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I think that article is a little unfair to Crowley, and at no point does the "Democratic party" say that they're backing Crowley. It does do a great job of explaining why NY politics and parties are fucked, and that it can be challenging to change the way a ballot is laid out.

Also, this is literally in the article: "Asked about Mr. Crowley’s plans regarding the Working Families Party line, a campaign spokeswoman said only: “Joe Crowley is a Democrat. He’s made clear he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14.”"

Maybe read the fucking thing first.
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(07-12-2018, 10:36 AM)bendrix Wrote: Anyone whining about "Bernie bros" not falling in line can get to fuck.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/10...5268575232

The Dems would rather lose to a Republican than let a leftist win.


Looks like that's false:

http://theweek.com/speedreads/784415/ale...ge-against
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It'll be false when he withdraws his name from the ballot. Has that happened yet?
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As someone who has literally voted in New York elections since 2004, I can tell you that almost nobody pays attention to who's on the ballot for these third party candidates. I think the only time I voted third party was during the last gubernatorial when I was annoyed at Andrew Cuomo and last year when I wrote in someone's name for Cy Vance. This is the same state that has a Rent Is Too Damn High Party.

I guarantee you people are going to look at the D and the R and not even spot Crowley's name - which will probably be 7 on a list of 13 or some shit. This seems like laziness that ACO is trying to make into A Thing.

Now, if he doesn't stay true to his word and begins campaigning as the WFP candidate, then we can talk.
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You don't think that the incumbent being on the ballot might be a little different than a random third-party candidate?

We have the luxury of waiting until Crowley may or may not begin campaigning, whereas ACO now has to strategize potentially running against the Republican and the other Democrat.
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Given a)I know how elections work in this state and this doesn't seem particularly exceptional and b)that he's been a mensch about this whole thing while taking no end of shit from the national media, I'm inclined to believe him when he says he's not running.
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Please address the first question in my last post.
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No. I don't think it is different. If Crowley campaigns as a Democrat *for* ACO, which I'm inclined to believe he's going to do because of points elucidated in the article and my posts above, then his name is going to be one name on a long list nobody is really going to look at. Will he pick up a few votes? Probably. Will it be enough to swing the election in a district where the Democratic candidate has gotten 70 percent of the vote since 1996? Not a chance.
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I hope you're right. But "He's such a nice guy!" just doesn't cut it with me.
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Also, because of how the party system works in this state, it's crazy hard to be removed from the ballot. Crowley sums it up nicely:

“Lots questions about WFP line. Was honored to have their support. I’m not running. For record you can only be removed from the ballot if 1) you move out of NY; 2) die; 3) be convicted of a crime; 4) accept a nomination for another office (in a place I don’t live)."

“I don’t plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope God’s will is that I don’t die, and won’t commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud," he wrote.
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boone, do you have a link for the quote above?
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It's from Politico which is trying to instigate and make this more of a thing than it probably is:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/1...eud-714983
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It's exploding on my FB feed with a lot of folks shitposting about Crowley.
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(07-12-2018, 12:18 PM)MichaelM Wrote: It's exploding on my FB feed with a lot of folks shitposting about Crowley.

Of course it is.
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(07-12-2018, 12:18 PM)MichaelM Wrote: It's exploding on my FB feed with a lot of russian bots shitposting about Crowley.

edited....
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https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1018497055180943360

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Joe Lieberman endorses Crowley, who I guess is just on the ballot because reasons.

https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/10...98657?s=20
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I guarantee you that this is the annual attempt by Joe Lieberman to maintain his relevance so he can get those sweet sweet gigs consulting for the Trump administration.

Someone on Twitter said it best, which is that "I don't know a single Democrat who gives a single shit about Joe Lieberman's opinion on absolutely anything."

He may think he's still this country-above-party centrist, but no. He's a joke. People are laughing at him.

And again, Crowley cannot take his name off the ballot for reasons that were elucidated above.
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But don't you understand Boone? People FEEL like he should be able to take his name of the ballot however he wants, so it must be true!
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(07-17-2018, 09:18 PM)bendrix Wrote: Joe Lieberman endorses Crowley, who I guess is just on the ballot because reasons.

https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/10...98657?s=20


But Crowley endorsed Ocasio, so by the transitive property....nobody likes Joe Lieberman outside of Connecticut.  

At least that's how it feels in my circles.  The only time I've heard anyone mention his name in the last decade is to curse him for scuttling the public option in the ACA.
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Yeah, I think the last time I heard about Joe Lieberman was this year, and it was from a pull quote from that Obama oral history that just came out, and it was about the public option.

The quote was "Fuck Joe Lieberman."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/22/us/po...grath.html

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Quote:She’ll face Representative Andy Barr, a Republican who won the district by 22 points in 2016, in the November general election.

That sounds daunting, but if I were Barr, I'd be a bit worried.  We've seen 15 point swings in many parts of Trump territory since 2016, and the veteran background and newcomer status could potentially make her more attractive to disaffected centrists.
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