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Trumpocalypse Now

The Dow Jones is up, but the NASDAQ is down I see, especially hi-tech companies who import skilled labour and export manufacturing jobs (Apple, etc). The market seems remarkably unfazed by Trump though.

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AI'm glad I'm Canadian and wasn't forced to vote between two of the worst candidates for the presidency in probably ever, as you guys did.

I dislike Donald Trump. I dislike Hillary Clinton.

With that said, Donald Trump didn't become a billionaire by being stupid, lucky, or lazy. He's a smart guy in certain ways, in other ways he is a really, really stupid guy.

It's 2016. Trump is a business man. It's bad business to start wars. He'll be more concerned with trade agreements and finding a way to slow down China's skyrocketing economy that is beneficial to the US economy.

I think that's about the only positive thing to say about him.

Good luck guus.
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A[quote name="catartik" url="/community/t/156033/trumpocalypse-2016/90#post_4170821"]I'm glad I'm Canadian and wasn't forced to vote between two of the worst candidates for the presidency in probably ever, as you guys did.

I dislike Donald Trump. I dislike Hillary Clinton.

With that said, Donald Trump didn't become a billionaire by being stupid, lucky, or lazy. He's a smart guy in certain ways, in other ways he is a really, really stupid guy.

It's 2016. Trump is a business man. It's bad business to start wars. He'll be more concerned with trade agreements and finding a way to slow down China's skyrocketing economy that is beneficial to the US economy.

I think that's about the only positive thing to say about him.

Good luck guus.[/quote]

He became rich by inheriting his money and getting his face put on television as often as possible.

This man is not a smart businessman.
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Originally Posted by RCA View Post
 

Alright.  My bad.  Emotions running high yesterday.



Apology accepted.




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I fully expect zero people to agree with me on this, but I am (very) cautiously optimistic that Trump and his long time personal friend Chuck Schumer (whom he's supported both verbally and financially) might be able to do some good things.  Infrastructure spending is important.  Schumer has been yelling about China's currency manipulation for years (which is a legitimate issue).  FYI as of yesterday, Trump's pledge to ban all Muslims from entering the country was silently removed from his website...where it used to be front and center.



I just read his proposal for the first 100 days. Essentially the "BAN ALL MUSLIMS" has been reworked (or rephrased) into this (taken from his proposal for his first 100 day ):



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* FOURTH, begin removing the more than 2 million criminal illegal immigrants from the country and cancel visas to foreign countries that won't take them back


* FIFTH, suspend immigration from terror-prone regions where vetting cannot safely occur. All vetting of people coming into our country will be considered extreme vetting.



Source: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/...t-100-days




And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.



Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"

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So the whole "not talking to my family any more" thing is going into motion today.



My wife decided it's best to not do it at the Thanksgiving table, so I guess it'll be a phone call.



Still not entirely sure what I'm going to say, but the goal is to make them feel regret and shame.

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Aaron Sorkin's letter to his daughter after Trump's win.

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And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.



Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"



It's not that Hillary was owed votes on account of her vagina, it's that Trump is specifically, uniquely, openly toxic to women as anything but sex dolls.  I understand not voting for Hillary.  I do not understand voting for "just grab them by the pussy."

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A[quote name="PeJota" url="/community/t/156033/trumpocalypse-2016/100#post_4170841"]People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's not the candidate who admitted to a predilection for sexually assaulting women.[/quote]

Fixed that for you bro.
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Maybe those women who voted for Trump think the lesser of two evils is a man who said "grab em in the pussy" and all that goes with it?



I'm just saying that if 53% of voting women voted for Trump, then writing them all off as ignorant, stupid, self-hating, no self interest, etc. just to feel morally superior about yourself and explain the results is exactly the mentality that got a ridiculous candidate like Trump elected in the first place.



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I'm personally close (she's basically family) with a woman (Jewish, daughter of immigrants) who's a successful owner of two business who voted for Trump. I'm sure there are plenty of other intelligent, successful women like her who voted for him. There is something more going on here. People are willing to put aside or ignore aspects of politicians, people can justify choices that seem to be at odds with who they are (I know Latinos who voted Trump [note: I am Latino myself]).



I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened. Not blaming sexes or groups and feeling morally superior.

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Maybe those women who voted for Trump think the lesser of two evils is a man who said "grab em in the pussy" and all that goes with it?



I'm just saying that if 53% of voting women voted for Trump, then writing them all off as ignorant, stupid, self-hating, no self interest, etc. just to feel morally superior about yourself and explain the results is exactly the mentality that got a ridiculous candidate like Trump elected in the first place.



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I'm personally close (she's basically family) with a woman (Jewish, daughter of immigrants) who's a successful owner of two business who voted for Trump. I'm sure there are plenty of other intelligent, successful women like her who voted for him. There is something more going on here. People are willing to put aside or ignore aspects of politicians, people can justify choices that seem to be at odds with who they are (I know Latinos who voted Trump [note: I am Latino myself]).



I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened. Not blaming sexes or groups and feeling morally superior.



Bully for you.  No particular group is a monolith, and everyone has to do their own calculus.   I personally am not capable of working out the type of calculus that would lead me, as a frog, to vote for someone who openly identifies as a scorpion.

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A[quote name="PeJota" url="/community/t/156033/trumpocalypse-2016/100#post_4170890"]I'm advocating intelligent analysis and reflection to try to actually figure out what happened.[/quote]

I can dig it, I was just trying to point out your "just because she's a woman" angle was missing a massively relevant angle in terms of what Trump represents to many. And, as usual, Schwartz had already done it by the time I hit submit, but I need to get my post count up if I'm ever going to catch Nooj so I posted it anyway. Sorry if it seemed like piling on.
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2020? He's not running again, guys. Why would he take the risk of losing? He got the prize, proved that his celebrity is th best. Won the biggest toy imaginable. He won't do it again at 74.


Inevitably, one of you will throw post back in my face in three or so years.

Haha, yeah. And Trump will thrive these 4 years on a challenge. He wants to (specifically) turn (homestate!)  NY and California -- "Reagan Red".



Trust me. Trump actually wants to be loved by everyone.




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May I suggest, as a palette cleanser: http://www.chud.com/community/t/156035/flash-gordon-the-2016-watchalong-extravaganza

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Is that real?



Wow.  If so, that has to be first.

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"Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president."



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Donald Trump won. Let the uneducated have their day.



Garrison Keillor

Special to the Washington Post


So he won. The nation takes a deep breath. Raw ego and proud illiteracy have won out and a severely learning-disabled man with a real character problem will be president. We are so exhausted from thinking about this election, millions of people will take up leaf-raking and garage cleaning with intense pleasure. We liberal elitists are wrecks. The Trumpers had a whale of a good time, waving their signs, jeering at the media, beating up protesters, chanting "Lock her up" — we elitists just stood and clapped. Nobody chanted "Stronger Together." It just doesn't chant.



The Trumpers never expected their guy to actually win the thing, and that's their problem now. They only wanted to whoop and yell, boo at the H-word, wear profane T-shirts, maybe grab a crotch or two, jump in the RV with a couple six-packs and go out and shoot some spotted owls. It was pleasure enough for them just to know that they were driving us wild with dismay — by "us," I mean librarians, children's authors, yoga practitioners, Unitarians, birdwatchers, people who make their own pasta, opera goers, the grammar police, people who keep books on their shelves, that bunch. The Trumpers exulted in knowing we were tearing our hair out. They had our number, like a bratty kid who knows exactly how to make you grit your teeth and froth at the mouth.



Alas for the Trump voters, the disasters he will bring on this country will fall more heavily on them than anyone else. The uneducated white males who elected him are the vulnerable ones and they will not like what happens next.



To all the patronizing BS we've read about Trump expressing the white working class's displacement and loss of the American Dream, I say, "Feh!" — go put your head under cold water. Resentment is no excuse for baldfaced stupidity. America is still the land where the waitress's kids can grow up to become physicists and novelists and pediatricians, but it helps a lot if the waitress and her husband encourage good habits and the ambition to use your God-given talents and the kids aren't plugged into electronics day and night. Whooping it up for the candidate of cruelty and ignorance does less than nothing for your kids.


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AI think I'm having some sort of delayed reaction to this whole thing.

I mean I genuinely didn't expect Trump to win, genuinely believed that the general American population isn't that stupid. Honestly thought that deep down when it came right down to it in the polling booths the vast majority, or even just a majority wouldn't be able to bring themselves to put their mark down for Trump.

It's only now that I see the pictures of him sitting next to Obama in the Oval Office is it sinking re couldn't be a bigger contrast in political and ideological figures. Literally poles apart. Just unbelievable. It's just hitting home now that o see the, together. What the fucking fuck did America do? Jesus Christ. I mean Hillary was bad, make no mistake I thought she was a fucking horror of a woman, but she at least had a clue about politics. Trump genuinely looks scared to be there. He was happy enough to win, but it looks like it's only now sinking in for him too. Obama looks hard pressed to have to share a stage with this clueless shitheel and you can't blame the man.

Holy fuck America, what did you do?
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has anyone posted this Hasan Minhaj piece from last night's Daily Show.....the part at the end about his mom is scary to ponder.



Why Wasn't Donald Trump's Bigotry a Deal-Breaker?

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AThis guy gets it, been saying this for years...



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Holy fuck America, what did you do?

Two days in and we're going down the drain - https://twitter.com/ShaunKing

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I think the hardest part for me personally is to rationally put together in my mind how much I like my own state versus how much I dislike my own country.



In the state I live in, the things that Trump has said and done made him a laughingstock who finished nearly as close to Johnson as to the winner. In the country I live in, none of the hateful and deficient things Trump has said and done mattered enough to keep him from the most important job in the world.



In the state I live in, we may not all be holding hands and singing Kumbaya, but whether it's my own ethnicity or another that represents the majority, I don't feel like that defines us in our daily lives. In the country that I live in, even as a straight white male the overt misogyny and general bigotry that are now clearly an accepted part of our culture make me feel like an "Other".



In the state I live in, there are plenty of ignorant, bigoted people (especially in my part of the state), but they feel a societal pressure that tells them their worst thoughts and impulses are not acceptable. In the country I live in, mocking, dismissing and even violently assaulting anyone who isn't a white christian male is now the norm.



I want my state to succeed. I'm in the weird position of not just expecting my country to fail, but -wanting- it to, just miserably enough that we don't continue down this path.

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With all the hand-wringing and self-doubt among Democrats right now, it's worth noting that in the past 7 presidential elections (1992-2016), more people voted for the Democrat than for the Republican in 6 of those elections. 2004 was the only election in the past 24 years where the Republican won the popular vote.



Think about that. Majorities are consistently voting Democratic in presidential elections over the past generation or so; it's just that not enough of those voters have been in the right states. That's a product of the Electoral College, not of some widespread dissatisfaction for Democratic candidates or Democratic platforms among the majority of voters. A better job can certainly be done to increase those majorities and to spread them into more parts of the country. But the country as a whole is far from becoming the Trumpland we're fearing.

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Not joking.  I am afraid.  Fascists are being appeased.

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And to whomever said their mother didn't feel she needed to vote for Hilary just because she's a woman, bravo to her. People keep bringing up "how could all those women vote for Trump?". Thinking that women have to vote for a woman just because she's a woman is illogical and sexist, but somehow it's seen as a valid argument. There's a bunch of people out there who'll jump on a man's ass for voting for a man and be like "why did you for HIM and no her? You're a sexist!", but then if a woman votes for a woman they're "Good for her for supporting women!" but if she votes for a man "She's voting against her interests!" The man voting for a man get's called a sexist, but a woman voting for a man is stupid/dumb/ignorant/self-hating? That's really insulting to women's intelligence.



Like a good friend of mine and New Yorker said on Facebook early on in the election cycle when Bernie was still in the race: "Why are people telling me to vote with my vagina?"



It's not that Hillary was owed votes on account of her vagina, it's that Trump is specifically, uniquely, openly toxic to women as anything but sex dolls.  I understand not voting for Hillary.  I do not understand voting for "just grab them by the pussy."



Has anybody considered the possibility that these particular women enjoy having their pussy grabbed?

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ATrump's transition website is promising to dismantle Dodd-Frank. Remind me how he was the candidate that would bravely take on Wall Street?
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It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.



"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"



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AYou know he never wanted to actually have the job. Now that the rush has worn off and his ego is (momentarily) sated, he's having to face up to the prospect of people actually expecting him to do the work.
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If nothing else, when Reagan/Thatcher were in power, there was a lot of good and angry music coming out....



I've been listening to a lot of punk/reggae/rap over that last day or so.....this being one.



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A[quote name="commodorejohn" url="/community/t/156033/trumpocalypse-2016/120#post_4171092"]You know he never wanted to actually have the job. Now that the rush has worn off and his ego is (momentarily) sated, he's having to face up to the prospect of people actually expecting him to do the work.[/quote]

I truly believe this to be the case.
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ATrump never demonstrated any curiosity or desire to learn about the issues. He ran a campaign of slogans, not ideas. Why would he start behaving any differently now? He's intellectually lazy, and that means his administration will essentially be ran by Pence and congressional Republicans. He'll be the figurehead handling the PR side and taking the credit.
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Trump never demonstrated any curiosity or desire to learn about the issues. He ran a campaign of slogans, not ideas. Why would he start behaving any differently now? He's intellectually lazy, and that means his administration will essentially be ran by Pence and congressional Republicans. He'll be the figurehead handling the PR side and taking the credit.


Thing is, he'll probably be bad at that, too.  Whenever he feels like he's not getting enough attention (it's never enough), he'll lash out at even (especially) the hands that feed him.

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ABut even a figurehead is expected to at least go through the motions. I think he's just now realizing that he's going to have to do an assload of trucking around presiding at shit and giving speeches nobody will watch when he could be sitting in his office masturbating.
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I think he's just now realizing that he's going to have to do an assload of trucking around presiding at shit and giving speeches nobody will watch


This is key.  It was the rallies and the attention that fueled him.  Sad.

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It's interesting to me that Trump looks completely miserable in pretty much every picture taken today.



"Four more years with these wankers - WTF have I done?"




"I thought when you said I got to pick a cabinet we would go to the furniture store."

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He's probably upset about the downgrade in housing.

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ACool Trump wax figure. Oh shit is that him?!
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