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HBO: THE DEUCE
#1
AReality: There's always someone better for a James Franco role than James Franco and this might end up as VINYL part II, but it's David Simon, so let's go.



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#2

George Pelecanos too, so some peak Wire going on.

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#3

Yeah, the worst of David Simon is better than nearly everything.



He could make a show about the Pet Rock, and I'd give it a try.

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#4
AI don't share the same disdain of James Franco (I actually kind of admire the guy at this point), but yeah, gritty 70's New York by Simon? I'm all in!
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#5
AI don't have disdain for Franco, but I do think that the "idea" of Franco is better than the reality. He wants to do all of this stuff, but the results tend to cap off at about 70-75%.
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#6
AWell, disdain may have been an strong word (though I know there are many who do have disdain), but personally off the top of my head (and I have been drinking), the only thing I can think of where I thought Franco was straight up wrong for the role was the Rami Spider Man movies.
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#7
ADouble Franco might get annoying but yeah, it's Simon. If it's good as SHOW ME A HERO then I'm in.

Did anybody stick with TREME? I heard from season 2 on it became more accessible.
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#8
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Well, disdain may have been an strong word (though I know there are many who do have disdain), but personally off the top of my head (and I have been drinking), the only thing I can think of where I thought Franco was straight up wrong for the role was the Rami Spider Man movies.


The Spider-Man movies, along with 127 Hours*, are probably the last time I can actually remember Franco really trying when he was in front of a camera. If Simon can reawaken that in him, I'll be impressed.





* Weird to think that he's an Academy nominated actor, isn't it? Those days seem so long ago now.

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#9

Badass new poster: 


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#10

Apparently the first episode is now available on HBO Now and HBO Go. Anyone watched it yet?

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#11

Oh, guess I may as well do that now. What with this storm outside, it's like I'm going anywhere.



Edit: Oh...87 min. Feature length.

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#12
A10 minutes in. Pretty good and already kind of disturbing watching pimps scout for their sex workers and all that.
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#13

The few reviews I've read for this have been very favorable. The biggest criticism is "It's great, but the season is too short and I wish there was more."

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#14
AThe Conformist and The Bird with the Crystal Plummage marquee on 42nd St. I am in love.
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#15

I don't even need reviews to know this will be great. I honestly don't think David Simon could produce a bad show if he tried.

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#16
AA lot of guys from The Wire are in this. Maybe it won't hold, but 25 minutes in and this is looking like a win.
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#17
A

And we're done. This is going to work. Excellent script and some beautiful, tense, and somber direction from Michelle McLaren. A lot of characters to track, but all of them, including the pimps, seem to have a good interior life. I don't want to ruin for anyone who hasn't seen it, but there's a smart way that they handle the pimps in the pilot that almost lulls you into complacency, almost. By the end of it, you've had something akin to the subjective experience of one of the girls on the street. You get a little cozy and expect unreasonable people to be reasonable. This is ill-advised.

The level of detail is pretty amazing. I have never been fascinated with the look of an overweight woman's panties hanging out of her ill-fitting hot pants, but it's a detail that tells you that this isn't about being sexy. It's awkward and strange and sad, but never so punishingly morose that I felt like checking out.

I also retract my criticism of Franco. He's very good in this and there's a Charlie and Johnny Boy of Mean Streets vibe to how he plays and distinguishes the twins.

I'm in and I hope any of you who are interested are going to come along.

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Apparently the first episode is now available on HBO Now and HBO Go. Anyone watched it yet?



I keep trying but I'm getting an error that says "We're unable to play this video right now."

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#19
AHow is the soundtrack?
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#20
AIt's good and not hackneyed or intrusive. I love 70's rock, blues, and soul, but I can't claim to have immediately recognized what's there. This is a good thing.
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#21
AKnow what I'm watching tonight now.
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#22
AVery excited for this. Loved SHOW ME A HERO. Good interview with Simon:

http://uproxx.com/sepinwall/the-deuce-da...-the-wire/
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#23

For some reason it wouldn't stream on my Fire TV, but it worked online.



I've always had a fascination for the seedy, early to mid-70s NYC of The French Connection and Serpico and those grainy photos in the SNL opening credits.  There's a gaudy, grungy, sweaty energy to it, like the city had come out of its innocence and just didn't give a fuck anymore and wanted to try everything.  This definitely feels of a piece with those depictions; the period detail is astounding.  But this isn't just some nostalgia-tinged freak show painting a picture of a filthy city.  Everyone in the cast just absolutely brings it, and I felt invested in every story (albeit some more than others).  Definitely in for the long haul on this.

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#24

Having read Legs McNeil's The Other Hollywood, what's going to be interesting is when they get into the kind of men who populate/populated the porn industry. There are some seeds planted in this premiere with the presence of bookies, so we'll see how they handle that. Right now, the show's racial dynamics are dictated by what's happening on the street, but that's going to change when the sex workers enter a somewhat more evolved and complex economic situation. Of course, what they will likely find is that the men who are building that industry are not that much more evolved than the guys who run them on the street.



Depending on how long this series goes for, I'd like to see them take on a Hugh Hefner analog (since talking about him directly would likely get them sued). In The Other Hollywood, Linda Lovelace (who was a damaged woman who went through a lot, but also had a tendency to embellish certain things) is part of a story about Hefner and his predilections being way grosser than I had previously imagined. Hefner is typically seen as this *relatively* harmless "grandad of soft porn" guy w/ the smoking jacket and perhaps rather pitifully housing and paying young women to fuck him, but there is existing footage of Lovelace engaging in bestiality, and if I recall correctly, Hefner either commissioned it or asked Chuck Traynor to gift him a copy for his "eclectic" collection of pornography - among other things about him and Sammi Davis Jr.

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#25

I thought that this was excellent.  This had such a tremendous sense of YOU ARE THERE authenticity to it that it was scary.  By sheer luck, my wife and I had watched a few films that were made in the 1970s on Saturday night, and the transition from them to this first episode was absolutely seemless in terms of look, feel, and overall vibe.



The acting was uniformly great, but I was most impressed with the Abbie character (the studdent at NYU).  She was asked to do a lot in this pilot in terms of non-verbal communication, and she did it all with aplomb.  I'm curious as to what her arc is going to be as she seems, so far, to only have a superficial attachment to 'the deuce'.  I assume she's going to become a porn starlet, but her path to that destination should be interesting.



I'm in.

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#26
AI was really impressed with how it captured the grimy, Scorsese-tinged NYC of the 70s. I would argue it did a much better job than Scorsese's own series set in that place and time (ugh Vinyl).
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I was really impressed with how it captured the grimy, Scorsese-tinged NYC of the 70s. I would argue it did a much better job than Scorsese's own series set in that place and time (ugh Vinyl).


We only got about halfway through the first episode of VINYL and weren't really impressed.  We meant to get back to it but the reviews for the rest of the show were terrible so we ended up deleting it from the DVR.

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#28

I am quite a bit into the episode but haven't finished it yet. I am enjoying what I've seen. It looks outstanding and there has been some good dialogue already. Biggest thing of note thus far: boob to penis ratio is 1:1. Good, I hope it stays that way.

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#29
A[quote name="Judas Booth" url="/community/t/159510/hbo-the-deuce#post_4360451"]
We only got about halfway through the first episode of VINYL and weren't really impressed.  We meant to get back to it but the reviews for the rest of the show were terrible so we ended up deleting it from the DVR.
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In fairness, I only watched the pilot. But that was rough enough (and the subsequent reviews sufficiently negative) that I, too, never returned.
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#30

The Elvis episode - really, the Elvis scene - from Vinyl is astounding. The rest of it...not so much.

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#31
AI stuck with Vinyl for 3 episodes then gave up. I flipped over randomly and saw Elvis and Lennon...I was then out for good.

This was good but man Bartender Franco was rocking a confused look in 90% of his scenes. Or at least seemed to be.
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#32
ABobby Cannavale, a good actor, is verging on atrocious in VINYL. I won't entirely blame him for it because his character was, I think, rather poorly written to begin with. No matter. At least Scorsese got paid.
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I stuck with Vinyl for 3 episodes then gave up. I flipped over randomly and saw Elvis and Lennon...I was then out for good.

This was good but man Bartender Franco was rocking a confused look in 90% of his scenes. Or at least seemed to be.


I chalk that up to the guy's life seemingly falling apart by inches. Asshole boss, crap marriage, asshole brother, crap city...it all seemed to be hitting him at once.



The scene in the pool hall is actually pretty tough to watch. We learn later that he's not an innocent party in that dumpster fire of a marriage, but that has to sting something fierce to get backed down like that in front of your wife, by a guy who intends to screw your wife, and your wife, who in turn intends to screw the guy who just squared up on you. That's rough.

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#34

My first impression was that Franco was miscast, and he was doubly miscast once his twin showed up, but we'll see. Everything around him, I really liked, and being a Simon show it will only expand and get better.



Also, it's spelled "plumage." (Sorry, that drove me crazy)

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My first impression was that Franco was miscast, and he was doubly miscast once his twin showed up, but we'll see. Everything around him, I really liked, and being a Simon show it will only expand and get better.



Also, it's spelled "plumage." (Sorry, that drove me crazy)



For some reason, I always put an extra "M" in there.

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