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HBO: THE DEUCE
#36

Knowing Simon's commitment to accuracy, I wouldn't be surprised if the production design was based on old photos that misspelled the sign, too.



The production design was phenomenal. It was great seeing a Simon show with this kind of budget.

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#37

It is quite beautiful in its way. I feel like I'm definitely going to have to brace myself for some unfortunate stuff that's going to go down before the season ends. I am particularly concerned about Dominique Fishback's "Darlene" (the girl whose John likes to beat her up) and Jamie Neumann's "Ashley" (the old "bottom bitch" threatened w/ the straight razor). Those two characters don't seem like people who are long for this world.

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#38

Pretty good second episode. Nice to see all of the Wire and Treme actors popping up in this.

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#39

Yup. They did it again. Someday Simon is going to make a show I won't love, mark my words.



And the cinematography is fucking phenomenal.

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#40

Three eps in, 4 hours and pretty entertaining.  Only complaint is Franco's twin brother, why twins in another show again, just annoying.

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#41
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Double Franco might get annoying but yeah, it's Simon. If it's good as SHOW ME A HERO then I'm in.

Did anybody stick with TREME? I heard from season 2 on it became more accessible.

Treme is in the top 5 of shows I have ever seen. absolutely loved it. Each episode a treasure, the finale was soooo satisfying.

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#42
ATreme is tremendous. It's really one of the best tv shows ever made.
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#43

it's unfortunate that our season started later in the UK because I'm currently using all my available willpower not to use some streaming site and catch up to the US. This show is really fucking good. It's been so long since I watched The Wire that I'd actually forgotten what made David Simon's work so rich and compelling, but the first episode of this show reminded me just how good television can be when it's operating at the top of its game. If this show doesn't get some serious Emmy attention, there's something wrong. The production design is incredible.  



Can't fault a single performance amongst the cast and it's really interesting to see Franco being inspired enough by the material to actually act here. 
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#44
ASaxon, did you watch SHOW ME A HERO? That was another great Simon show. An obscure story but relatable and moving.
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#45

I didn't. I know this sounds terrible but the concept just didn't interest me. DRUG CRIME! THE SEX TRADE!..... Public Housing? (I'm sure it was great, though. David Simon doesn't do bad shows.)

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#46

I'm so behind on Simon, in that I haven't seen anything past THE WIRE.



Megan Abbott's involvement on this show means I need to sit down and watch it soon, though.

home taping is killing music
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#47
A[quote name="MrSaxon" url="/community/t/159510/hbo-the-deuce/30#post_4375314"]I didn't. I know this sounds terrible but the concept just didn't interest me. DRUG CRIME! THE SEX TRADE!..... Public Housing? (I'm sure it was great, though. David Simon doesn't do bad shows.)
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Yes, public housing doesn't get the pulse racing, but the characters were very well written.
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#48
AMan, this show is good.

And Maggie Gylehnaal better have awards heaped upon her. She kicks unbelievable amounts of ass.
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#49
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Treme is in the top 5 of shows I have ever seen. absolutely loved it. Each episode a treasure, the finale was soooo satisfying.



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Treme is tremendous. It's really one of the best tv shows ever made.

Thirded. I adore Treme. New Orleans might be my favorite city.

However, I've had trouble getting into this. I have a feeling when I rewatch this I'll wonder what I was thinking, but the show hasn't grabbed me just yet. It's impeccably produced, cast and directed, but for whatever reason I've had trouble getting on board.

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#50

Come on you lazy fucks. I can't be the  only one here watching this.



Anyway, this was the Wire-iest episode so far. Both in banter and plot.

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#51

I'm perpetually 2 episodes behind on this. Not a bad show, think I'm just worn out when it comes to the 70's.

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#52

I don't see a way that Maggie's gonna lose the Emmy for this.  This is career best work from her.

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#53

Yeah, at this point she's just showing off.

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#54
AThe show's fantastic. I just don't have anything smart to say about it.
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#55

Looking forward to getting into this. I didn't realise we had the streaming service this is being distributed through in the UK. I've never seen The Wire or Treme, so hopefully this is third time lucky for a David Simon show.

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#56

This is interesting...I just read on another site that this show was always planned as a three season series, that's it (assuming it got renewed, which it has).  The first season is about the early 70s and the rise of the porn industry, the second season is set 5 years later (late 70s), picking up the threads of some of the characters, and then the final season is set in the mid 80s when AIDS and changing tastes/laws start to bring an end to 'The Deuce'.

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#57
A[quote name="Judas Booth" url="/community/t/159510/hbo-the-deuce/30#post_4386399"]This is interesting...I just read on another site that this show was always planned as a three season series, that's it (assuming it got renewed, which it has).  The first season is about the early 70s and the rise of the porn industry, the second season is set 5 years later (late 70s), picking up the threads of some of the characters, and then the final season is set in the mid 80s when AIDS and changing tastes/laws start to bring an end to 'The Deuce'.
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I actually love that. Short and sweet. GoT could’ve done with some fat-trimming over the years.
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#58
AI saw something about it being a three season show the other day, but didn’t know what structure they were aiming for achieving. That is good to know.
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#59
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This is interesting...I just read on another site that this show was always planned as a three season series, that's it (assuming it got renewed, which it has).  The first season is about the early 70s and the rise of the porn industry, the second season is set 5 years later (late 70s), picking up the threads of some of the characters, and then the final season is set in the mid 80s when AIDS and changing tastes/laws start to bring an end to 'The Deuce'.



George Pelecanos said so in a interview, I think. And I think it's a fantastic idea.

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#60
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George Pelecanos said so in a interview, I think. And I think it's a fantastic idea.



I agree.  The shorter seasons ensure that it's all killer, no filler.

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#61

That's an intriguing idea. I hope they stick to it. I wonder, however, if they'll keep the cast and go for more of an anthology format.



After the disaster that was Vinyl (where I gave up at the pilot, which I contest is the worst thing Scorsese's ever directed), it's a miracle The Deuce delivers.



I'm enjoying it quite a bit, if not to the level of Twin Peaks or The Americans. I wish Maggie Gyllenhaal was the focal point as she's utterly transcendent on this. The calling card of the show, if anything, and I hope she gets an Emmy nomination. Candy is the character I've been most invested in the story arc of... it's much in the vein of the complexities of Amber Waves. And man, I've quite missed that David Simon-approved specificity from the Wire days.



I wanted to cry when the one john beat Candy up. I haven't felt that repulsed by something like that since the Employee of the Month episode of The Sopranos.



I've yet to get on Mindhunter regarding 70's-set shows. I'm taking too long on that one.

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#62

It's really a shame that we only have one episode left for this season (and this 'year' in the show) because there are certain storylines that I really want to see continue on for a while and see build.  In particular, I'd love to see a spin-off show (THE DEUCE: EILEEN, or something) focusing on Eileen's growing confidence on the production side of porn, along with her continued relationship development with Harvey (who is proving to be a pretty fascinating second-tier character on his own).  The entire show is excellent, but it really goes into special territory when it focuses on Eileen/Maggie (who had better win an Emmy over this).

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#63
AI can’t believe Harvey is David Krumholtz.
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#64

What a bad ass fucking show. Seriously, it's ridiculous how much I'm enjoying this. From Eileen taking over shit and the greatness that are her scenes with Harvey, to Ashley's back to back interludes with Frankie and Abbie, to the way it ended. Simon is my god and his writing team my angels.

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#65

It's great that we are more than likely going to see the three-season plan come to fruition.


 


I don't see next week's finale ending on a very pleasant note.  The pimps are liable to get dangerous as they get desperate, and the death of Reggie feels like a flashpoint moment.  If Ashley did really manage to escape, C.C. is only going to exert more control over Lori. I have a bad feeling we'll be seeing his razor again.

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#66
AI was so sure Ashley was going to run into CC Marcellus Wallace-style. I was literally cringing during that final scene because I was dreading him showing up.

You had multiple girls being offered ways out this week -- Ashley, Darlene telling Bernice to go back home, Leon "freeing" Melissa by shooting her pimp -- yet only Ashley seemed to take it (Bernice rushes after Darlene seemingly choosing to stay, and Melissa seems more terrified than relieved as she flees the diner). And Shay only gets a respite by overdosing and going to the hospital. A harsh dose of reality over the hopeful ending.
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#67

Wait, there's only one more episode this season?  Damn it!

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#68
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I can’t believe Harvey is David Krumholtz.

And the plain-clothes cop that shakes down the palour?



Ralph Fucking Machio

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#69

So no thoughts on the finale?  Everyone too busy burning through Stranger Things or tucked away in bed waiting for Indict-mas this morning?

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#70

I thought that the finale, and the season itself, was excellent.



For the finale itself, I like how it didn't feel the need to wrap up every plot thread.  Many of those threads will be picked up when Season 2 hits (taking place years later), but I suspect that some of them will be left unresolved, and that's ok.



I knew that we'd get at least one death, but I honestly didn't peg Ruby to be one of the ones to go.   Personally, I had Frankie pegged, as he was doing more and more of the dirty work for Pipolo and I thought that he was going to stick his neck out too far on something.



Some highlights for me:


- I loved Vincent's conversation with Pipolo's second, asking to clarify his 'status' in the operation.  All of this was a precursor to asking for his help in beating up the guy that beat up his ex-wife.  From a character point of view, this really felt like the first time that Vincent really crossed a line in terms of involving Pipolo in his personal affairs.  It was well handled.


- I loved Candy/Eileen explaining the male sexual fantasy.  'I see why you brought her.'


- I loved Candy/Eileen taking the reigns on directing the film shoot while Harvey was stuck with car problems.  Even better, I loved it when Harvey showed up and complimented her on her directorial techniques, telling her to 'finish the film'.  They've had a unique relationship built on respect, something that I frankly did not expect.


- I loved how the show essentially ended with the premiere of DEEP THROAT.  Here's a landmark in time, showing the mainstream acceptance of porn.



Some great stuff.  Lots of Emmy nominations coming.

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