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AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR - Post-Release Thread
(04-27-2018, 06:29 AM)Stale Elvis Wrote: Saw it last night. It was solid enough but with a few rough patches.

Dinklage was brilliant and unexpected as was the hooded guy who turns up half-way. But that moment with Starlord, that cheap plot contrivance. Woof, that stunk. However the mashup of Thor and the Guardians early on was pure gold - more of that please.

Had no idea about the way it ended or that there’s going to be another next year.

However, I know that whenever there’s a time-travel/time-manipulation device in any movie, well whoever dies will be coming back in act 3. I mean that’s just movies. So when they all started getting flaky I was waiting for the big turn-around and ohhoho Tony Stark’s done something clever to reverse it all. But nope. That was it. Fuck.

The deaths were pretty creepy in their randomness, however the Peter Parker death was a standout and hit me proper. Tom Holland sold that last 5 seconds. Shit that was tough and that performance, despite the billions of dollars of effects we’d just sat through was probably the highlight of the movie.

And here’s a thing, I think Thanos was a fucking great villain. I can’t get behind his wiping out a half of the universe’s population at random due to overcrowding and finite resource, but I also kind of can. When he was monologuing he came across quite measured, and I was thinking he kind of had a point. And another thing, when have we ever seen a villain victorious? Truly victorious. I mean, he won. The villain fucking won. And what did he do? He didn’t sit in a huge throne and reign fire and death over everyone because he could and he’s eeeeeeevil. He just sat outside his hut and enjoyed the sunshine and peace and quiet and quietly smiled to himself. That’s a great fucking villain they’ve created ther, simply because you can relate to him.

I agree that Star Lord ganking it at the point of victory seemed awfully convenient at the time but I literally just thought (as in really just then), he did flip into a rage on the spot when Ego told him how his mother died (and who was responsible). So, I guess it has been set up that this isn't out of character for him to be ... abruptly emotional in response to news about a loved one suddenly being catapulted into the great hereafter. They're playing the long game, here (as if there was any doubt).
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(04-27-2018, 02:47 AM)Overlord Wrote: Finally got around to seeing this tonight with my kids.  

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Still very much processing the movie but in a very positive way. There are a number of nitpicks, which I'll get to eventually, but this is, IMNSHO, the best AVENGERS movie of the three. Sure, the first one has more bare bones arcs for the actual Avengers, but this one is such a breathtakingly awesome translation of an epic, cosmic threat and team up that it's hard for me to believe we actually have it.

We didn't get arcs for the Avengers, and I think that's OK; not only does giving Thanos the arc work, we still get a LOT of great moments for our heroes, moments informed by the previous 17 films (or is it 18?). Steve Rogers doesn't have a proper arc but damn if Chris Evans doesn't give us every bit of Steve's weariness, determination, and even sadness in this. (My one Cap gripe: I feel like the Bucky/Steve reunion should've been a bit more enthusiastic on Steve's side. It felt like it'd been only been a few days or weeks since they'd last seen each other.)

Quill's fuck up with Thanos was a great character beat, and spot on of what we've seen of him. It's the same guy who started firing at Ego before Ego even finished explaining why he killed Quill's mother.

The opening sequence was so good. Loki's death was probably the most easily predicted of all of them but it still managed to horrify. But it was Thanos taking down Hulk that really established him as a credible, scary threat.

I have a feeling Thor's sidequest for the new weapon is the part that's going to feel slow on rewatches. That's straight up D&D/videogame kind of stuff. Not that it doesn't fit in the type of story this is....but it feels so disconnected to the rest and it doesn't really payoff (in this movie) so I can see it dragging a bit on repeat viewings.

Anyone else think RDJ was doing amazing work here? I'm guessing Tony got close to the most screen time here, and I certainly felt Tony's growing desperation and fear throughout the movie. I just hope Pepper doesn't break up with him again for trying to save the world!

Thanos was flat out fucking great. Such wonderful work by both Brolin the effects teams. I'd put Killmonger at the top of MCU villains with regards to relatable humanity; Thanos is tops in terms of pure comic book goodness.

Speaking of villains: even though it wasn't Weaving (though a passable voice imitation), I was so, so happy when Red Skull showed up. Loved him as a sort of Charon figure.

Lots more to talk about but I'm still waking up. One more thing, though:

I'm not sure we can talk about something being Ex Machina for the next film for (presumably) bringing everyone back when it's clearly established in this film that it's possible. That said, I do wish they'd keep some characters dead, just for stakes and switching things up. Vaporizing T'Challa and Peter tells us that it's going to be reversed, because no fucking way are they dying permanently at this stage.

Post script: someone or multiple someones upthread speculating that it's going to be Tony sacrificing Steve to get the Soul Stone back. Interesting. I almost want that to happen if only to see Red Skull and Cap face each other again in some capacity.
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Well, we are going with full spoilers here, but still, just to be safe.....



I had no problem with Quill's reaction, specially because its beats like that that make the MCU heroes and villains relatable; they are emotional and act non rationally as humans beings do; besides, after Thanos downright made him fullfil his promise to Gamora while still preventing it, Quill's reactions of anger and despair is incredibly relatable, specially considering he is one of the MCU heroes that's experienced the most loss in his life.

Loved, as people have pointed out, how twisted Red Skull's fate was; condemned to eternally watch and guard the same power he so much craved, while fully aware he would never be able to attain it, since there is nothing he loves enough to sacrifice in order to obtain it.

And yeah, having Thanos's use the Time Stone to undo Vision's sacrifice was brutal but and effective way to establish the comic book rules of the MCU. Even if they get reversed, the deaths were heartbreaking, specially Bucky and Peter's.

Finally, can anyone confirm to me that Thanos no longer has the stones in the ending? I'm pretty sure he was left with a damaged gauntlet at the end, but the stones were gone.

Finally, Im guessing that the end stinger sort of reveals that Captain Marvel will play a big role next movie, but also that there is a big reason to why she hasnt been seen in the MCU until now. My guess is that she is either outside Earth or trapped/contained in another dimension.
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I'd laugh if they made an announcement saying the announcements of Black Panther 2 and Spider-Man 2 (MCU edition) were actually misdirects and even though they're leaving billions, if not tens of billions of dollars on the table, in the interests of artistic integrity, we're not actually going to make those films. Thanos has in fact won, has the power of a god and sure, there's survivors but they're like ants in comparison now, it doesn't matter. They can't touch him. Also, it's all over. There's no Avengers 4 and any more films. Show's over, go home.

Of course, they're obviously going on and a lot of what just happened is going to be reversed but from a story-telling point of view, if that literally was it, that could work (maybe just shuffling Nick and Maria +/- cut the close up of the pager to before the final scene being Thanos viewing the sunrise). The main antagonist wins and is now untouchable. If I never saw another MCU film again, that could work for me.
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They nailed Thanos. Years of nerds bitching about him and they got the important part right.
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Did we get to find out what Gamora's secret was that she wanted Peter to kill her for if the time came?
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(04-27-2018, 08:10 AM)SPOILERS!ryoken Wrote: Finally, can anyone confirm to me that Thanos no longer has the stones in the ending? I'm pretty sure he was left with a damaged gauntlet at the end, but the stones were gone.

I didn't even think to look. I noticed the damaged gauntlet but just assumed the Stones were intact in it.

Anyone else notice this?
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(04-27-2018, 08:13 AM)bigbrother Wrote: They nailed Thanos. Years of nerds bitching about him and they got the important part right.

Still needed more Thanoscopter, though.

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(04-27-2018, 08:13 AM)Stale Elvis Wrote: Did we get to find out what Gamora's secret was that she wanted Peter to kill her for if the time came?

No.
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The location of the Soul Stone. Right?
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Oh, yeah. That was it.
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(04-27-2018, 08:13 AM)Stale Elvis Wrote: Did we get to find out what Gamora's secret was that she wanted Peter to kill her for if the time came?

No, her secret was that she had lied to Thanos and knew where the Soul Stone was; thats why she wanted Peter to kill her, so Thanos would never find it; unfortunately, Thanos prevented that from happening, and his capture (since Nebula's memory showed Gamora revealing she had found the soul stone's location) and torture of Nebula led Gamora to reveal to Thanos where the soul stone was.

Also, I feel like a complete idiot for just realizing this:

The survivors of Thanos's snap also may mean a few comic book inspires surprises:

If Shuri is alive she may take the role of Ruler of Wakanda and Black Panther in his absence...which would set up a BP sequel nicely, with conflict over Shuri and T'Challa over the throne (specially if they have different levels of support from the tribes)
The rumors of Pepper armoring up as Rescue or Ironheart might also be true
Vision could be resurrected if Shuri managed to remap his brain/program.
There had been set shots of Renner wearing the Ronin armor from the comics, if remember things right...which means Hawkeye might had adopted a new identity to go over that house arrest deal.
Feige has said Nova is a big plan for the future...and this movie mentions Thanos wiped out Xandar; in the Annihilation event, Nova became ultra powerful when he ended up as the last of the Nova Corps after Xandar was wiped out.
The Collector's collection being wrecked means a lot of his prisoners might had been freed...like Howard the Duck and Cosmo the Space Dog.
Ant Man and Wasp might be involved, as there was the reveal of a casting call for Ant Man's grown up daughter from the comics. Hell, maybe the Ant Man and the Wasp fim might end with them facing Thanos's wipe out of half the universe.
Also, no way it will happen...but imagine if the wipe out forced the Defenders to be recruited; all of them have been Avengers in the comics.
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Also, re: the line of argument I'm seeing that the Russos lied about this being a complete film -- if you look at Thanos as the protagonist, it IS a complete film. He sets out to do a thing, he does the thing, and he gets his happy ending.
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It's actually amazing how they managed to make it both a cliffhanger and a complete film.
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I kinda wonder if Avengers 4 will have a timejump where we get a lot of those things, that's largely undone by whatever shenanigans happen during the film but gives us lots of fun easter-eggy bits in the interim. Seeing a world where everyone's had to deal with the losses for a few years would be interesting.
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I'd actually like to see the return of Ultron at some point, one week or whatever that was wasn't really an age by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe that might be an unexpected side-effect of trying to map Vision. Whatever way it comes about, I wouldn't mind seeing Ultron getting back out and getting more screen time over multiple appearances.

Doesn't have to be Avengers 4, in fact it would probably be better if it was post that. Ultron could go on to be one of those lurking background threats like he (or she) is the comics that occasionally surfaces.

On the subject of there being so many deaths that you just know some of those have to be walked back, nothing against Paul Bettany at all but maybe that should be one that sticks. On top of everything else, that way it's not just the deaths at the start of the film that are permanent. Presumably, though Vision is in Avengers 4.

Other people noticed this first, but with basically most of the newer kids on the block being disintegrated, it certainly could add credence to the theory that some of the old guard are going to buy the farm for good by the end of the next film (some people get brought back but for that to happen, some of the survivors of this film have to be sacrificed, that Soul Stone theory sounds very credible).
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(04-27-2018, 08:46 AM)jmacq1 Wrote: I kinda wonder if Avengers 4 will have a timejump where we get a lot of those things, that's largely undone by whatever shenanigans happen during the film but gives us lots of fun easter-eggy bits in the interim.  Seeing a world where everyone's had to deal with the losses for a few years would be interesting.

So you want AVENGERS: THE LEFTOVERS?
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(04-27-2018, 09:01 AM)MichaelM Wrote:
(04-27-2018, 08:46 AM)jmacq1 Wrote: I kinda wonder if Avengers 4 will have a timejump where we get a lot of those things, that's largely undone by whatever shenanigans happen during the film but gives us lots of fun easter-eggy bits in the interim.  Seeing a world where everyone's had to deal with the losses for a few years would be interesting.

So you want AVENGERS: THE LEFTOVERS?

Yeah, kinda, though probably only like the first 10-15 minutes of the movie.
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(04-27-2018, 09:01 AM)MichaelM Wrote:
(04-27-2018, 08:46 AM)jmacq1 Wrote: I kinda wonder if Avengers 4 will have a timejump where we get a lot of those things, that's largely undone by whatever shenanigans happen during the film but gives us lots of fun easter-eggy bits in the interim.  Seeing a world where everyone's had to deal with the losses for a few years would be interesting.

So you want AVENGERS: THE LEFTOVERS?

Well, think about it. A whole bunch of people suddenly disappear in the middle of doing things like driving cars, flying helicopters or even just walking down the street - just like The Leftovers.

Liv Tyler was in The Leftovers.

BETTY ROSS RETURNS CONFIRMED

(Seriously, they should do that. Bring her back.)
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Or better yet, we have the title for the next film:

AVENGERS: LEFT BEHIND
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Avengers: The cheaper option.
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(04-27-2018, 12:47 AM)The Dark Shape Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 11:16 PM)superlaser Wrote: If you’re going to enjoy comic books or comic book movies pretty much at all, you have to learn to turn off the cynicism in the moment and just accept the experience. Stuff getting undone is just part of the package, but what they did they executed beautifully.

You know this is the turn your brain off comment, right?

Also, this is one of the primary reasons why I don’t enjoy comic books.

It's fine you didn't like it, but admitting you don't like comic books, then complaining that a comic book movie plays like a comic book movie makes me wonder why you even bothered. I don't like romantic tween vampire stories, thus you didn't see me bothering to watch the Twilight movies only to complain that they played just like they're meant to.
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When the next Avengers movie gets resolved, and the story is finished and the (expected) return of the dead characters happens, I 100,000% need a credits scene where Rocket steals Bucky's arm.
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I know this has been said before, but this film is very comic booky. It really felt like a panel-for-panel live action version of a big crossover event comic.
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This film cements Cap and Iron Man, and their relationship, as the center of the Marvel Universe. I have no idea how they plan to resolve this, but that reunion will be the most important part of the next film.
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(04-27-2018, 03:08 AM)ska oreo Wrote:
(04-27-2018, 01:18 AM)superlaser Wrote:
(04-27-2018, 12:47 AM)The Dark Shape Wrote:
(04-26-2018, 11:16 PM)superlaser Wrote: If you’re going to enjoy comic books or comic book movies pretty much at all, you have to learn to turn off the cynicism in the moment and just accept the experience. Stuff getting undone is just part of the package, but what they did they executed beautifully.

You know this is the turn your brain off comment, right?

Also, this is one of the primary reasons why I don’t enjoy comic books.

It’s not a ‘turn off your brain’ thing, it’s a suspension of disbelief thing. Some people can buy the moment even knowing all the reasons it won’t stick, and others just don’t. To really get into the comic booky stuff, you have to be able to do that. It’s not a judgement thing; feeling or not feeling that way doesn’t make anyone better, worse, smarter or dumber. It’s just differences in how people things, and clearly I’m right about not being able to tune out the ‘it’ll all get undone’ voice in the moment affects enjoyment of the film.

Except you totally are framing it in a "ya gotta turn off your brain" a la Bayformers.

More importantly, Comic book movies don't get that pass because actual comic books have proven to be well-written, and actual thoughtful. And my argument against the Marvel films has always been they're too over reliant on star power (like, I like Thor: Ragnorak but holy shit is that movie just 2 hours of Chris Hemsworth mugging it up for the camera) than actual character development.  These movies assume my empathy for Captain America--just because he's Captain America and played by Chris Evans.

To Marvel Studio's credit, they have been getting better; I liked both Homecoming and Black Panther because the film put in the extra effort of making both Spider-man and Black Panther into fully-formed characters without being dependent on prior films.
 Except that’s NOT how I’m framing it at all, and trotting our that tired cliche almost makes it sound like you’re calling me an idiot which I generally don’t appreciate. 

My brain was on the entire time I was watching this film. I was never not intellectually aware that certain characters are ‘too big’ and ‘have to come back’  for obvious reasons. But most of those reasons (their popularity, the fact that we know they’re getting sequels, etc.) exist outside the film itself, and as the characters were dying I was able to set aside that knowledge and engage emotionally with what was happening on the screen. 

If the previous films didn’t do enough work or weren’t well written enough to engage you emotionally in the characters to suspend that disbelief for this ending to work, that’s perfectly fine.   It’s a YMMV thing for sure. My entire point was that everyone watches and engages with movies differently, and whether or not you can still engage emotionally despite having outside knowledge is probably the key factor in determining how much you like or dislike the film.  As I stated before, it’s observation not judgement. 

And the Bayformers comparison is crap because those movies make no effort to hold up internally. It’s not the outside knowledge that Optimus Prime is ‘too big to kill’ that makes them suck; it’s the movies themselves.  Whether or not Infinity War works for you, the average level of writing and character development in the MCU is light years beyond that, although that’s admittedly a very low bar to clear.
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My vote for the 2nd part title:

Thanos: Infinity War
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Potentially confusing, you just know there'll be people who think they've already seen it.

Now a question I haven't seen brought up anywhere yet, who do you think left the Asgardian ship early before everyone on board who was left was killed. Seems like Valkyrie et al most likely left at some point, didn't they?
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(04-27-2018, 10:03 AM)shaunh Wrote: My vote for the 2nd part title:

Thanos: Infinity War

I don't think the next one will be quite as Thanos-focused as this was. Maybe Avengers: Thanos Quest?

I still think it'll more likely be a play on Avengers: Disassembled or Avengers: Forever, though. Maybe Avengers: Reassembled?

Also, I'm assuming whatever Strange did with the Time Stone before handing it over is tied into Tony's visions? Because they never explained why he of all people was 'sensing' Thanos's coming ahead of time.
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A great theory out there that Ive just discovered myself about this film and the MCU:

-Some people have pointed out that Thanos migh indeed be a mad titan, as there is one huge plot hole in his plan: You could use the six Infinity Stones to actually solve most if not all of the problems Thanos sees with the universe and life versus finite resources; Thanos simply is choosing the easier, simpler option, but not the perfect one; inevitably, life will spread again and another culling would be needed, according to his POV...while using the Infinity Stones in other ways could solve the problem...unless Thanos knows something else.
Mainly, that there is a bigger threat out there: The Celestials or the Beyonders
In the comics, the Celestials are essentially parasites, who reproduce by destroying planets full of life; the Beyonders destroy whole realities to maintain their powers, and if i remember it right, the Russos have gone on record that they see "Time runs out" and "Secret Wars" as material for the sequel.
However, the big nerd stench theory is a huge one if right: We have already seen the destruction of Titan onscreen:





Basically, Thanos isnt halfing life in the universe for resources sake, but also to stop the Celestials.
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(04-27-2018, 10:02 AM)superlaser Wrote: If the previous films didn’t do enough work or weren’t well written enough to engage you emotionally in the characters to suspend that disbelief for this ending to work, that’s perfectly fine.   It’s a YMMV thing for sure. My entire point was that everyone watches and engages with movies differently, and whether or not you can still engage emotionally despite having outside knowledge is probably the key factor in determining how much you like or dislike the film.  As I stated before, it’s observation not judgement. 

It's kind of our curse, really isn't it? Even if we hadn't been following the news of proposed sequels and production, we'd just know from our familiarity with the genre that some of this just has to be wound back. 

Also, I haven't read the comics but I knew just enough to suspect that this film would end not just with Thanos getting all the stones but also that there was a good chance this would happen.

[Image: thanos-snaps-his-fingers.jpg]

... I mean, it seemed logical, right?

But then there's a large part of the audience who doesn't dive into all this anywhere near this deep and in my screening (and I'm sure lots of others), there was genuine surprise at the end from the audience reaction. Both when people started disappearing and even more so at Thanos just chilling as the sun came up.

We have to remember this is how a lot of people are going to receive this and the film was constructed precisely to get this kind of a reaction from people used to a long series of films where the good guys win over and over again.

For a lot of people, this was a genuine unexpected shock, the primary antagonist completely and utterly winning.

Frankly, I'm envious.
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As someone with only passing, high level knowledge of the source material, gained by osmosis from being here and other places, I was surprised that it ended with a seeming total victory for Thanos. I was not expecting that at all.
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Really liked it, did not love it. The do a good job of juggling several hundred thousand characters at this point, but I do wish Cap had a little more to do. Felt like he had maybe 10 lines in the whole movie. I hope the finale has a lot of him, Tony, and Thor working together as those guys (most likely) wrap up their time in the roles.

I'd heard that it had an Empire Strikes Back-eque tone, but I figured Thanos would be defeated and then the bottom would fall out and they'd end up in an even bigger mess. I wasn't expecting quite that kind of cliffhanger. Or as my wife put it, "I kind of resent sitting there for three hours and not getting an ending." I did point out that I did the same thing with her Hunger Games movies only to see Katniss end up with fuckin' Peeta in the end.

This was also the first post-credits scene where I had no idea what they were referencing, had to ask someone sitting next to me. I guess I don't know that character very well.
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(04-27-2018, 10:11 AM)superlaser Wrote:
(04-27-2018, 10:03 AM)shaunh Wrote: My vote for the 2nd part title:

Thanos: Infinity War

I don't think the next one will be quite as Thanos-focused as this was.  Maybe Avengers: Thanos Quest?

I still think it'll more likely be a play on Avengers: Disassembled or Avengers: Forever, though.  Maybe Avengers: Reassembled?

Also, I'm assuming whatever Strange did with the Time Stone before handing it over is tied into Tony's visions?  Because they never explained why he of all people was 'sensing' Thanos's coming ahead of time.

I don't really think they'd do that, if only because the name of Thanos isn't enough to sell the movie to casuals. But I was having fun with the idea of reversing what they did with this, calling it Avengers: Infinity War, only for them to lose, then flipping the script for the next one. (See also: THANOS WILL RETURN)

(04-27-2018, 10:29 AM)Misfit Wrote: Really liked it, did not love it. The do a good job of juggling several hundred thousand characters at this point, but I do wish Cap had a little more to do. Felt like he had maybe 10 lines in the whole movie. I hope the finale has a lot of him, Tony, and Thor working together as those guys (most likely) wrap up their time in the roles.

I'd heard that it had an Empire Strikes Back-eque tone, but I figured Thanos would be defeated and then the bottom would fall out and they'd end up in an even bigger mess. I wasn't expecting quite that kind of cliffhanger. Or as my wife put it, "I kind of resent sitting there for three hours and not getting an ending." I did point out that I did the same thing with her Hunger Games movies only to see Katniss end up with fuckin' Peeta in the end.

This was also the first post-credits scene where I had no idea what they were referencing, had to ask someone sitting next to me. I guess I don't know that character very well.

She did get an ending, just not for the Avengers!
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