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AVENGERS: (4th Film) - Pre-Release Thread
#36
Tony Stark flew through a sky portal with an atomic bomb and stopped his invasion. I'd be surprised if Thanos hadn't heard of him.
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#37
I think Shreds has the simplest, and therefore most likely, answer.
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#38
(04-28-2018, 06:08 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: He Who Must Not Be Named has an interesting review up on his new Buddhist-ish website, presenting an arguement that it’s about the election of Donald Trump.

But it’s not! Because the Doctor Strange movie is about that. I wrote a big long post about it and everything!

This should be in the other thread. But what can you do?

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*Not directed at you Arjen
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#39
I’m curious to see when part 4 picks up. Will they go right back to where they left off in Wakanda with Tony and Nebula on Titan or will we get some kind of time jump (weeks or years) that will just be undone in the end by the time stone.

Also, might there be some crazed faction on earth (or somewhere else) that tries to stop the Avengers from reversing everything, essentially thinking what Thanos did was right.
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#40
Start the movie with a flashback to the time Pepper adopted a Romanian orphan because she was mad at Tony.  The orphan baby saves the day in the third act.
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#41
I think 4 has to start with Tony and Nebula on a little mini-adventure to get back to earth.
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#42
Kraglin will probably rescue them.

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#43
Avengers Secret Wars seems like the best bet.
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#44
Did they say if Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse is in the MCU? When the trailer came out I just assumed it wasn't because Spider-Man was dead, but after Infinity War now I'm wondering if it does.

(04-28-2018, 06:23 PM)bartleby _scriven Wrote: I thought Thanos implied with a line of dialogue that the Stones allowed him a degree of omniscience, hence how he knew of Tony.

I thought it was because of the visions Tony's been having of Thanos, like the two have been linked since Age of Ultron.

(04-29-2018, 08:21 PM)bigbrother Wrote: Avengers Secret Wars seems like the best bet.

If they were doing Secret Wars as the next movie I'd imagine they would have had Thanos create "Battleworld" here, or at least say something about that being part of his plan. Or, the post-credit scene would have been something with the Beyonder watching all this happen.

It would be interesting if the next one had a group made up of characters pulled from alternate universes. It'd also be a way to bring characters back without bring the ones that turned to dust back right out of the gate if that's the way they wanted to go with that. Could get stuff like a Star-Lord that didn't turn against Ego or whatever they wanted.
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#45
(04-29-2018, 06:11 PM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: I think 4 has to start with Tony and Nebula on a little mini-adventure to get back to earth.

There was a line about the axe being able to use the bifrost so I assume Thor will rainbow road them back to Earth.
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#46
My only speculation as of now is that act one is Captain Marvel playing a big part in getting the remaining Avengers together to figuring what to do next.
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#47
She comes out of space to some '90s song, maybe When Worlds Collide.
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#48
Chris Cornell's "Can't Change Me" isn't taken.  Warner/DC should have jumped on that for a Wonder Woman movie 20 years ago, but it's available.
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#49
(04-30-2018, 12:12 AM)Munson Wrote:
(04-29-2018, 06:11 PM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: I think 4 has to start with Tony and Nebula on a little mini-adventure to get back to earth.

There was a line about the axe being able to use the bifrost so I assume Thor will rainbow road them back to Earth.

It certainly could be something as simple as that. But I just know we need to see the Tony/Steve reunion as it happens, so I doubt there's any significant time jump.

Reports like an older Cassie Lang, if that's true, could be due to time travel or visions of the future (setting up that actress for, say, Ant-Man 3 or Young Avengers/Champions or whatever).
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#50
Also, I'm leaning hard into my theory that Avengers 4 is going to be a loose adaptation of the Kree-Skrull War, with Captain Marvel playing the Rick Jones role. In that event, Rick Jones has the "Destiny Force" unlocked in his brain, and it allows him to manifest a bunch of Golden Age heroes to beat back the Skrulls.

Carol achieving a kind of Cosmic Awareness and doing some version of the Destiny Force to bring back all the heroes would make a lot of sense.
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#51
My guess, and this is strongly based on why they picked the next two films to be the buffer between 3 and 4. Quantum Realm. That's going to be the key to reversing what has been done.

Even when Pym talks about it

"A reality where all concepts of time and space become irrelevant..."

These stories are very mapped out, and I have no doubt even that phrase was written to include Reality. Time. Space. What other things use those words???

Key to defeating Thanos and preventing this again. Trap him in the quantum realm where time... Space...basically the stones... are irrelevant
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#52
(04-30-2018, 09:06 AM)nickp Wrote: My guess, and this is strongly based on why they picked the next two films to be the buffer between 3 and 4.  Quantum Realm. That's going to be the key to reversing what has been done.

Indeed; the phycist who consults for Marvel aready confirmed Captain Marvel will involve the quantum realm:

https://www.inverse.com/article/32022-an...cle-footer

Quote:As for Captain Marvel, Michalakis wasn’t at liberty to talk in-depth. But he does hint that understanding the quantum realm will give a better understanding of Carol Danvers and her place in the MCU. “This is exciting for the future. There are different ways that some of these ideas appear on-screen in a few years. Not just for Ant-Man, but also for Captain Marvel and all of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.”
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#53
A big part of early Captain Marvel (as in Mar-Vell) stories and, in fact, the Kree-Skrull War is him being stuck in the Negative Zone for long stretches of time. I'm almost certain that the Quantum Realm is being substituted for the Negative Zone in this scenario, and the Destiny Force (probably won't be called that...) will also come into play.
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#54
Now that's really interesting, not least because it provides a tool for explaining the time gap between Captain Marvel's 90's origin story in her movie.
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#55
(04-30-2018, 09:20 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: A big part of early Captain Marvel (as in Mar-Vell) stories and, in fact, the Kree-Skrull War is him being stuck in the Negative Zone for long stretches of time. I'm almost certain that the Quantum Realm is being substituted for the Negative Zone in this scenario, and the Destiny Force (probably won't be called that...) will also come into play.

Also, the negative zone might be tied with the FF rights, since thats where it first appeared.
Which also makes a big push for why Marvel/Disney pursued the FOX deal; a lot of great characters, villains and storylines could be adapted from those rights.
Hell, Annihilation alone is one big cosmic epic that screams blockbuster:

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#56
I'm wondering how Hawkeye is going to fit in with the 4th film. Leaked pictures seem to indicate that he's got a new RONIN persona, and I'm honestly not sure what that means or how it's going to make any sort of difference against Thanos.
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#57
(04-30-2018, 10:11 AM)ryoken Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 09:20 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: A big part of early Captain Marvel (as in Mar-Vell) stories and, in fact, the Kree-Skrull War is him being stuck in the Negative Zone for long stretches of time. I'm almost certain that the Quantum Realm is being substituted for the Negative Zone in this scenario, and the Destiny Force (probably won't be called that...) will also come into play.

Also, the negative zone might be tied with the FF rights, since thats where it first appeared.
Which also makes a big push for why Marvel/Disney pursued the FOX deal; a lot of great characters, villains and storylines could be adapted from those rights.
Hell, Annihilation alone is one big cosmic epic that screams blockbuster:

[Image: 941877.jpg]

I wouldn't be surprised if major elements of the Kree-Skrull War, Annihilation and Secret Invasion are all combined to make Avengers 4. The Skrull home planet being destroyed in the Annihilation Wave could easily be adapted into Thanos's snap killing half the Skrull population. 

As for Clint being Ronin, well, it's an easy assumption that his family could have been wiped out by the snap.
"I'd rather have hope...than nothing at all."
-Illyana Rasputin, X-Men: Omega #1

"But the public, knowing what it wanted, spinning happily, let the comic books survive."
-Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451

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#58
(04-30-2018, 10:11 AM)Judas Booth Wrote: I'm wondering how Hawkeye is going to fit in with the 4th film.  Leaked pictures seem to indicate that he's got a new RONIN persona, and I'm honestly not sure what that means or how it's going to make any sort of difference against Thanos.

He was also shown wearing a costume similar to the Ultimate Marvel version of the character; my guess is that he used the Ronin identity to continue heroing while under house arrest, and that he goes back to Hawkeye after he loses his family to the "Snap".

(04-30-2018, 10:15 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 10:11 AM)ryoken Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 09:20 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: A big part of early Captain Marvel (as in Mar-Vell) stories and, in fact, the Kree-Skrull War is him being stuck in the Negative Zone for long stretches of time. I'm almost certain that the Quantum Realm is being substituted for the Negative Zone in this scenario, and the Destiny Force (probably won't be called that...) will also come into play.

Also, the negative zone might be tied with the FF rights, since thats where it first appeared.
Which also makes a big push for why Marvel/Disney pursued the FOX deal; a lot of great characters, villains and storylines could be adapted from those rights.
Hell, Annihilation alone is one big cosmic epic that screams blockbuster:

[Image: 941877.jpg]

I wouldn't be surprised if major elements of the Kree-Skrull War, Annihilation and Secret Invasion are all combined to make Avengers 4. The Skrull home planet being destroyed in the Annihilation Wave could easily be adapted into Thanos's snap killing half the Skrull population. 

As for Clint being Ronin, well, it's an easy assumption that his family could have been wiped out by the snap.

I kinda hope they leave Annihilation alone, because it could easily be a trilogy of cosmic superhero/space opera blockbusters on their own, using the GOTG as introduction characters, and for the fact that the stakes and horror of each chapter gets worse and worse: Annihilation has the Annihilation wave, Conquest has Ultron leading the Phalanx and Thanos Imperative is basically an invasion by Elder Gods.
Its essentially a cosmic LOTR epic for the MCU
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#59
(04-28-2018, 06:08 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: He Who Must Not Be Named has an interesting review up on his new Buddhist-ish website, presenting an arguement that it’s about the election of Donald Trump.

But it’s not! Because the Doctor Strange movie is about that. I wrote a big long post about it and everything!

This should be in the other thread. But what can you do?

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#60
(04-30-2018, 10:41 AM)shaunh Wrote:
(04-28-2018, 06:08 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: He Who Must Not Be Named has an interesting review up on his new Buddhist-ish website, presenting an arguement that it’s about the election of Donald Trump.

But it’s not! Because the Doctor Strange movie is about that. I wrote a big long post about it and everything!

This should be in the other thread. But what can you do?

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I did the mistake of checking it out....ewww.
I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but seriously, it calls itself "Film from an occasionally Buddhist perspective."
From the a-hole who mocked and bullyied anyone who was religious here, as far as I remember.
Also, regarding that:



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#61
(04-30-2018, 08:49 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: Also, I'm leaning hard into my theory that Avengers 4 is going to be a loose adaptation of the Kree-Skrull War, with Captain Marvel playing the Rick Jones role. In that event, Rick Jones has the "Destiny Force" unlocked in his brain, and it allows him to manifest a bunch of Golden Age heroes to beat back the Skrulls.

Carol achieving a kind of Cosmic Awareness and doing some version of the Destiny Force to bring back all the heroes would make a lot of sense.

Merging the Destiny Force with Cosmic Awareness/Binary Carol makes sense.
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#62
Guys Vision is not dead, he's a robot, and he spent a lot of time with Shuri to just be discarded. The obvious thing for Vision is to come back, but he'll be more of a robot. Since they made him "die" like Optimus Prime, I'm guessing the color scheme is just to make him look like this version of the character;

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#63
(04-30-2018, 10:15 AM)ryoken Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 10:11 AM)Judas Booth Wrote: I'm wondering how Hawkeye is going to fit in with the 4th film.  Leaked pictures seem to indicate that he's got a new RONIN persona, and I'm honestly not sure what that means or how it's going to make any sort of difference against Thanos.

He was also shown wearing a costume similar to the Ultimate Marvel version of the character; my guess is that he used the Ronin identity to continue heroing while under house arrest, and that he goes back to Hawkeye after he loses his family to the "Snap".

(04-30-2018, 10:15 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 10:11 AM)ryoken Wrote:
(04-30-2018, 09:20 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: A big part of early Captain Marvel (as in Mar-Vell) stories and, in fact, the Kree-Skrull War is him being stuck in the Negative Zone for long stretches of time. I'm almost certain that the Quantum Realm is being substituted for the Negative Zone in this scenario, and the Destiny Force (probably won't be called that...) will also come into play.

Also, the negative zone might be tied with the FF rights, since thats where it first appeared.
Which also makes a big push for why Marvel/Disney pursued the FOX deal; a lot of great characters, villains and storylines could be adapted from those rights.
Hell, Annihilation alone is one big cosmic epic that screams blockbuster:

[Image: 941877.jpg]

I wouldn't be surprised if major elements of the Kree-Skrull War, Annihilation and Secret Invasion are all combined to make Avengers 4. The Skrull home planet being destroyed in the Annihilation Wave could easily be adapted into Thanos's snap killing half the Skrull population. 

As for Clint being Ronin, well, it's an easy assumption that his family could have been wiped out by the snap.

I kinda hope they leave Annihilation alone, because it could easily be a trilogy of cosmic superhero/space opera blockbusters on their own, using the GOTG as introduction characters, and for the fact that the stakes and horror of each chapter gets worse and worse: Annihilation has the Annihilation wave, Conquest has Ultron leading the Phalanx and Thanos Imperative is basically an invasion by Elder Gods.
Its essentially a cosmic LOTR epic for the MCU

In this scenario I'm imagining the Kree-Skrull War/Annihilation/Secret Invasion playing out across Captain Marvel, Avengers 4 and Guardians 3. We already know the Nova Corps. got wiped out by Thanos, not unlike in Annihilation, and perhaps that could spin into a solo Nova movie in Phase 4.
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#64
(04-30-2018, 10:47 AM)ryoken Wrote: I did the mistake of checking it out....ewww.
I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but seriously, it calls itself "Film from an occasionally Buddhist perspective."
From the a-hole who mocked and bullyied anyone who was religious here, as far as I remember.
Also, regarding that:

Only referring to Arjen's post. I don't bother with caring about that other guy any longer.
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#65
No Devin.

NO FUCKING DEVIN.

Stahp.
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#66
So am I crazy or is the gauntlet busted now? It looked pretty haggard after snap crackle pop, but I figured maybe it was from the fight?
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#67
(04-30-2018, 11:25 AM)Munson Wrote: So am I crazy or is the gauntlet busted now? It looked pretty haggard after snap crackle pop, but I figured maybe it was from the fight?

I wasn't clear on that either.  It looked pretty haggard, that's for sure.  I assume that the stones are still viable, though.
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#68
I like how Ragnarok not only retconned the Gauntlet showing up in the first Thor movie with a gag (Hela knocking it over and saying "fake!"), but Infinity War explained that the Gauntlet can be forged and is the thing that allows someone to even use all the Stones at once.

So for those of us that are anal, the Gauntlet in Odin's trophy room could have been real, but not the Stones.
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#69
(04-30-2018, 11:30 AM)bartleby_scriven Wrote: I like how Ragnarok not only retconned the Gauntlet showing up in the first Thor movie with a gag (Hela knocking it over and saying "fake!"), but Infinity War explained that the Gauntlet can be forged and is the thing that allows someone to even use all the Stones at once.

So for those of us that are anal, the Gauntlet in Odin's trophy room could have been real, but not the Stones.

Also, the Gauntlet in Asgard was right handed; canonically, in the comics and the MCU, the gauntlet has always been left handed.


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#70
I just want to see Squirrel Girl win and since Milana Vayntrub is playing her, she can do so by tit fucking Thanos and as he cums her squirrel army pulls the Gauntlet off his arm. TAKE THAT PATRIARCHY, FEMINISM FOR THE WIN!!!FACT!!!

   
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