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Stillborn Franchises
#1
One of the trends of the last 20 years are movies that aren't meant to be self contained.   They are meant to be franchises.   Some, like Lord of the Rings and the MCU, have been massive successes.   Others, like the two aborted Monsterverse franchise attempts, have been stillborn.   What I'm wondering is: what franchise starters should have had a sequel or a chance to fix a clunky first installment.  Which ones were great and should have pushed on despite lackluster box office results?

My two choices are actually Terminator reboots.   Terminator: Salvation (for all its problems) would have been a pretty cool trilogy to follow.   Especially if the original ending was kept.   I'm not sure how popular the first film was but it obviously didn't perform as well as it could have and critical reception wasn't that warm.   Still, a Terminator franchise that actually shows the war against the machines would have been cool.   The one started by Genisys is more problematic but would have still loved to see where that would have gone.   

What are your picks for franchises that never took off and which ones need to be rebooted?
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#2
I still want a JOHN CARTER OF MARS sequel, dammit!

Stanton's movie is actually pretty self-contained and satisfying, but there was a lot of tertiary worldbuilding details that overstuffed the movie in a way that came off too confident about its franchise possibilities
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#3
Devil in a Blue Dress
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#4
Buckaroo Banzai (we were promised a sequel, dammit)

But seriously, the correct answer is Master & Commander.
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#5
MASTER and COMMANDER
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#6
I always wanted a Zero Effect sequel with Pullman and Stiller.

But you know what would have really been cool? Another Master + Commander.
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#7
Definitely Master and Commander. In a perfect world we'd have had only the one Pirates of the Carribean movie and that film would've gotten the piles of sequels instead.

I kind of want another Inheritance Cycle movie, but only because Eragon was such perfect Rifftrax fodder.
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#8
KING ARTHUR LEGEND OF THE SWORD
THE MAN FROM UNCLE
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#9
(06-08-2019, 04:24 PM)atomtastic Wrote: MASTER LEGEND OF THE COMMANDER
THE MASTER FROM UNCLE COMMANDER

Good suggestions.
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#10
It's Alive

Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins and Action Jackson are two I wanna throw on the pile, but not terribly sure either were necessarily intended to be the start of a franchise.

Ugh . . . Master 'N Commander
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#11
Friday the 13th remake sequels. I know a lot are going to disagree but...I liked that movie. And it didn't do nearly poorly enough to justify letting fucking JASON sit untouched for ten years. Again. Those fucking things are the easiest things to make in the world and if they're even halfway decent, will make their money back. We could've had four or five more of those by now. I know I know...we don't NEED any more of them. But slasher fans want these things to not die. And I am one. And that's part of the fun of them is to watch them just keep going and getting nuttier and nuttier..
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#12
(06-08-2019, 06:03 PM)turingmachine75 Wrote: It's Alive

Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins and Action Jackson are two I wanna throw on the pile, but not terribly sure either were necessarily intended to be the start of a franchise.

Ugh . . . Master 'N Commander

Remo Williams was definitely supposed to be part of a series (and then went on to be a failed TV series too). Which is too bad-- they nailed the Remo/Chiun stuff in that so well, I would've liked to see it paired with a plot and action that didn't suck.

The Destroyer as a movie franchise is something somebody ought to take another crack at.
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#13
(06-08-2019, 07:03 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: Friday the 13th remake sequels. I know a lot are going to disagree but...I liked that movie. And it didn't do nearly poorly enough to justify letting fucking JASON sit untouched for ten years. Again. Those fucking things are the easiest things to make in the world and if they're even halfway decent, will make their money back. We could've had four or five more of those by now. I know I know...we don't NEED any more of them. But slasher fans want these things to not die. And I am one. And that's part of the fun of them is to watch them just keep going and getting nuttier and nuttier..

I never understood Platinum Dunes' "strategy," but I don't think they did, either. Each of their dungheap remakes made enough to justify a sequel. Then... nothing happened, save for that dungheap TCM prequel. It's as if they lost interest in each potential franchise right out of the gate.
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#14
The Golden Compass as far as I remember was an adequate opening instalment - I couldn’t see reasons for it not to get a sequel, especially as the seemingly super-bland Narnia movies (admittedly I’ve not seen any other than the first one) we’re getting sequels around the same time.
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#15
Platinum Dunes has only ever done three things I've liked. Friday the 13th. And the last two TMNT movies which I avoided for the longest time and ended up being shocked at how much I liked them. Especially the second one. I'll die on this hill if need be but, the TMNT sequel was way better than even Bumblebee. Krang, in a live action movie, was a sight to behold. The turtles fighting the Krang bot on the Technodrome as it's building itself in the sky over New York, pieces dropping in from another dimension, like Tetris blocks, was fucking cool. It was so bonkers. ALL the rest of their horror stuff can fuck off. The worst was their Elm Street remake. I don't think I've ever seen a movie that was so bland it seemed disinterested in ITSELF. It was the most generic, identity-less remake maybe ever. Makes the RoboCop and Total Recall remakes look like John Carpenter's The Thing.
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#16
The arc of every cynical remake...

Act One - Every Reboot Has a Beginning Where It All Begins

THE FILMMAKERS: "We're going to go back-to-basics and really explore what we love about this series. But it's not a *remake*, okay. It's more of a re-imagining for modern day audiences who laugh at movies where people use landlines. It's going to be fresh and different and have a ton of surprises, but still familiar for long-time fans. Just you wait!"

Act Two - The Saga Continues a Little Differently Than It Began

THE FILMMAKERS: "There are rumors on the Internet that test screenings have gone so poorly, audiences committed seppuku, and that the director was either fired, locked out of the editing room, or keel-hauled by the studio. But this is not true. Yes, we're doing some reshoots with a different, more handsome and strapping director. And this happens on every major film, where you go back and shoot about 10-90% of it all over again. Don't worry. It will still be everything you want out of this IP, completely original but much the same."

Act Three - Everything That Has an Ending Ends Here

THE FILMMAKERS: "Contrary to what critics are saying, it's not a shot-by-shot remake of the original. There are cutaways to cell phones in this one."
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#17
bradito gets it.
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#18
That's probably my greatest post.
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#19
I'd like to hug it
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#20
You can for one dollar.
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#21
Its a shame that even with the success of Interview with the Vampire, there was never a real sequel to it. Townsend  actually isn't bad in Queen of the Damned. He isn't the Lestat of the book, but he does have a good anti-hero vibe. My main problem with that movie is that it deviates so much from the book, but then there are scenes that only make sense if you have read it. I knew that the vampire that looked Leonardo DiCaprio was Armand because I've the book, but if I hadn't I would be wondering who he is and why is he on Lestat's side.
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#22
MAN FROM UNCLE definitely gets my vote. We should've have much more of that world.
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#23
I liked that movie a lot too.
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#24
Same here.

Could we get another BLADE RUNNER 2049 film? Maybe one on a smaller scale.

Also has anyone here seen PUSH?


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#25
We definitely needed more Remo Williams.

I still wish Dredd and Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang had gotten sequels.
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#26
THE SAINT
THE SHADOW
THE PHANTOM
FLASH FUCKING GORDON
DUNE
VAN HELSING
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#27
GdT's Hellboy 3. I mean the second film got made, but it would have been nice to get some closure on that Death Angel scene.

And while we're at it, I would actually paid for a cinema ticket for the 2-film Snyder Justice League.

Random movie which I happened to watch the MST3K version last week, even though I saw it at a drive-in as a child, which also promised a sequel... Mac and Me. That film, while terrible, has some amazing wheelchair action scenes.
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#28
(06-09-2019, 12:57 AM)Judas Booth Wrote: THE SAINT
THE SHADOW
THE PHANTOM
FLASH FUCKING GORDON
DUNE
VAN HELSING

The first 3.
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#29
"The Punisher" (1989)
"The Punisher" (2004)
"The Punisher: War Zone" (2008)
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#30
(06-09-2019, 01:35 AM)bradito Wrote: "The Punisher" (1989)
"The Punisher" (2004)
"The Punisher: War Zone" (2008)



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#31
Speaking of Jane and Mulcahy, I'd actually watch a sequel to GIVE 'EM HELL MALONE. Surprisingly decent flick, and Jane is great/drunk in it.
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#32
(06-08-2019, 07:32 PM)Stale Elvis Wrote: The Golden Compass as far as I remember was an adequate opening instalment - I couldn’t see reasons for it not to get a sequel, especially as the seemingly super-bland Narnia movies (admittedly I’ve not seen any other than the first one) we’re getting sequels around the same time.

The His Dark Materials trilogy was always going to be a challenging adaptation, but Golden Compass didn't help itself by axing the organized-religion element, which would have made doing the third book impossible.
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#33
Was that recent Peter Jackson movie any good?
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#34
I'm not sure why it happened, but Golden Compass (despite it being a hit) absolutely killed New Line Cinema. Frankly, I have no clue how the hell a trilogy from that film would have worked. Looks like it's getting a do-over in the TV series. Very curious if we get beyond The Golden Compass story with that.

Also, I would have put up Sword and the Sorcerer but that one actually did get a sequel and it looks like a porn without the porn. I can't bring myself to watch it. The preview was enough.

I want to say Universal has tried twice to get a Universal Monsters Shared Universe going and failed. First time was with the Dracula movie and Wolfman and then the second time with The Mummy. The Dark Universe was truly a case of putting the cart before the horse with that class picture and nifty logo.

Also, is the DCEU essentially dead? It feels like we're back to solo films with no intention of really getting the band back together.
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#35
(06-09-2019, 04:19 AM)ChrisW Wrote:  Golden Compass (despite it being a hit) absolutely killed New Line Cinema.  

of course someone who goes by ChrisW would defend golden compass!!

WE SEE THROUGH YOUR DISGUISE, MISTER WEITZ!!!


the movie was super expensive (reported budget of $180 million in 2007, which would inflate to be $222 million now) and didn't do so great domestically.  It was actually quite successful internationally (particularly back in 2007), but it seems New Line didn't reap those rewards because...

Quote:Overseas rights to the film were sold to fund the $180 million production budget for the film, so most of these profits did not go to New Line.  This has been cited as a possible "last straw" in Time Warner's decision to merge New Line Cinema into Warner Bros. Pictures.
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