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Masterpiece G1 Transformers
#1
I was so nerded out by these things I thought I must post a little celebration.
The achievent in mechanical design here can't really be underestimated.  I thought the old toys were pretty imaginitive (well a lot of them.  Some just fold up a bit).  But their humanoid shape was pretty convenient, more often than not.  By and large a fair bit of imagination was needed to make them into 'action figures';  Stuff was oddly shaped and proportioned; different parts were just fused together and mostly for show; humanoid parts like hands and even heads were things you stuck on later some times as they were too inconvenient.
They were working with what they had and a pretty basic design goal at the time.

Then all these characters get put into cartoons and comics.  The artists there assume that humanoid shape and proportions was indended by the original designs and things get very flexible.  These dynamic heros evolve far away from the barest resemblance of their toy origins with every part being able to flex and warp as necessary.  No longer are they weird barrel-chested things with inconvenient cabins and canopies. 
There was never really an expectation that the cartoon versions and the toy versions would match up.  We were just happy the things transformed, really.

Now that things have become these pop culture icons they send some poor buggers in to make all this artistic license in the design work backwards like it was never intended to.  And somehow they do.  Your vehicle, eventually, turns into a genuinely poseable humanoid robot.  Without just fudging it and fusing parts, or including heads and hands like accessories. It's remarkable.

Anyway, people are no doubt aware of this effort as they have been doing it for a while now. They probably wouldn't work as toys. They are also ludicrously expensive, but at this level of complexity I'm not really surprised.  Compared to some collectables you're really getting your money's worth.
Luckily for us tourists of impressive engineering there's youtube videos. (quirky music warning)


















OK that's some plastic fanboying out of my system.  Cheers
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#2
That Megatron is not the original one. I have it, along with the two Lambourghinis (Sideswipe and Sunstreaker). The original one didn't look all that much like the cartoon version of the character, whereas this one is spot on. Very cool!
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#3
Yeah, since this project started it seems they've had a few attempts at some of the characters. I imagine the integration of CAD and 3d printers improves all the time, as well as various other techniques and general quality of the materials. These things being fairly limited run and high priced would probably give some designers the rare chance to be as perfectionist as they want to be. Cool indeed.
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#4
that is insanely cool
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#5
I like the way these models treat the components as panels and compartments instead of solids. That seems to be the gamechanger-- I really dig the windscreen panels on Prime, and how rotating them allows the model to display them at slightly different proportions depending on the mode.

And then there's this, from 2018:



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#6
You’d probably like the Sunstreaker Countach they did last year too - it can be either a normal Countach or the customised turbo one like the original toy with the big chrome air vents, and somehow still turns into a close match of the simplified cartoon drawing.

The engineering on them is impressive but I feel like they maybe push the boundaries a bit much, some parts can be very fragile due to the complexity of collapsing tyres, squeezing accessories into hollow spaces with no room for error, etc
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#7
(01-26-2020, 10:00 AM)UltraAnxiety Wrote: You’d probably like the Sunstreaker Countach they did last year too - it can be either a normal Countach or the customised turbo one like the original toy with the big chrome air vents, and somehow still turns into a close match of the simplified cartoon drawing.

The engineering on them is impressive but I feel like they maybe push the boundaries a bit much, some parts can be very fragile due to the complexity of collapsing tyres, squeezing accessories into hollow spaces with no room for error, etc

Sunstreaker looks very, very cool.  Looks like Sideswipe got renamed to 'Lambor' for some reason and he looks plenty awesome as well.
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#8
(01-26-2020, 01:33 PM)Judas Booth Wrote: Sunstreaker looks very, very cool.  Looks like Sideswipe got renamed to 'Lambor' for some reason and he looks plenty awesome as well.

Yeah, they go by the Japanese names, hence Optimus Prime = Convoy, Sideswipe = Lambor, Red Alert = Alert, Laserbeak = Condor. Ravage = Jaguar, etc. If they were ever to do a Jazz he'd be called Meister...but we're never getting a Jazz because Porsche are mega precious jerks about it and refuse to license one because it would 'dilute their brand'. See also Cliffjumper though they might be able to fudge it due to the chibi/penny racer thing not really looking like an actual car too much.
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#9
Slightly off-topic, but since we're talking about insanely over-engineered recreations of anime vehicles here's a guy who built an RC flying model of one of the "Flapters" from Laputa: Castle In the Sky.



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#10
Bro. Broooooo! I've been waiting for some modern toy talk on this site, and it happens to be about my favorite thing to collect. I love Transformers.

I could write a full essay but for time I'll keep this short. I was a late bloomer as far as online shopping was concerned, and so didn't start collecting Masterpiece items until a couple of years ago. Within the first six months I went from having no Masterpieces to having about a dozen of them. I was like wow, the normal mainstream Transformers that I had been collecting for years and years are literally cheap childish playthings compared to these marvels of art and engineering. The first one I ordered was Sideswipe, and I when I first handled it and put it through its paces, I though of the couple of other Sideswipes I had and was like, "Uh, you guys suck."

I've kept up with the Masterpiece line ever since. I've gotten a couple of the Bayverse ones, and have all five of the Beast Wars ones. The BW MPs are especially excellent.

Keep this thread going, I want to say more.
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#11
(01-29-2020, 01:14 PM)cd underbelly Wrote: Bro. Broooooo! I've been waiting for some modern toy talk on this site, and it happens to be about my favorite thing to collect. I love Transformers.

I could write a full essay but for time I'll keep this short. I was a late bloomer as far as online shopping was concerned, and so didn't start collecting Masterpiece items until a couple of years ago. Within the first six months I went from having no Masterpieces to having about a dozen of them. I was like wow, the normal mainstream Transformers that I had been collecting for years and years are literally cheap childish playthings compared to these marvels of art and engineering. The first one I ordered was Sideswipe, and I when I first handled it and put it through its paces, I though of the couple of other Sideswipes I had and was like, "Uh, you guys suck."

I've kept up with the Masterpiece line ever since. I've gotten a couple of the Bayverse ones, and have all five of the Beast Wars ones. The BW MPs are especially excellent.

Keep this thread going, I want to say more.

*3/4 of a year later*

Sure!

I have decided to start up a small HasTak and 3rd party collection (no Fans Toys . . . fuck them) after this thread led me down a wormhole. I’ve got two Predacons (Cang Toys) and the Insecticon trio (New Age) on order, and I’m eyeballing an upcoming Terrorcon set for later this year (TFC).

I’ve no interest in the Bayformers, but my god that Devil’s Savior (Devastator) set is amazballs.
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#12
Better late than never bro.

Yeah, on top of my Masterpiece collecting, I also dove into the bottomless rabbit hole of 3rd Party offerings. Holy shit! Too much good shit, that stuff is truly overwhelming. No official Masterpiece combiners? That's fine, I'll just get a 3rd party Bruticus set. Hmm, but which of the dozen offererings that are all various levels of good do I get?
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#13
If you could swap out MMC’s Onslaught with Warbutron’s you’d have a super kick ass Bruticus.

I’m finding for the engineering, design, and price, that the legends scale of Newage and Magic Square are what I’m looking for. Those little 3” Insecticons are damn cool. Got a Jazz on the way.
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#14
Speaking of Legends scale and 3rd party, my latest gets were Iron Factory's Spirits of the D.E.C. They are totally neato, and combine to boot. They don't do that in the comics, it was just something I.F. did for fun, to show off basically. I dig it.
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#15
Look at THIS beast!

   

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#16
something about that looks kinda gross

like the whole thing is constructed from worms
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#17
My God that Starscream is awesome.
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#18
Here's another picture to show scale. It's got accessories to make Starscream look like he did in everyone's favorite Transformers movie...the 1986 film..

   

Love the cape and crown. Whoever did this should make one of every major character. Galvatron? Grimlock? Sweet Jesus..

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#19
Coronation, Starscream? This is bad comedy.
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#20
Looks good. DoEs iT TrAnsfOrM!?

***EDIT***

As long as I'm here, anyone else nostalgic for the original Ninja Turtles line from Playmates? Because Super7 has recently been remaking them in their TMNT Ultimates series. Their basically the original figures verbatim, except with copious amounts of painted detail, articulation, and accessories. As it happens my Mutagen Man and Baxter Stockman arrived today. I'll be ordering Leonardo and Bepop soon enough. Gotta get the Muckman w/ Joe Eyeball set when it comes out too.

I much prefer these over NECA's toon accurate line.
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#21
I’ve seen a statue Grimlock in a similar style, and I believe there may be a Megatron as well. 

At risk of nerding off a bit much, my small collection as of now . . . 

   

The guy in the middle is a non-canonical gorilla Ultra Magnus

A third Predacon (Divebomb) and a small headmaster bat (Mindwipe) are arriving over the next month or two, and I’ve got a set of Dinobots on preorder that could take a year or more to trickle out.
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#22
I'm not even a toy/action figure type person. I don't own anything like that. That one above is literally the first thing I've shared in this thread. I just thought that Starscream was insane. I think I'd own that. The design is and detail is out of this world. If the movie Transformers had looked like THAT....oh, man..

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#23
They get pretty close to the animated designs in Bumblebee.
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#24
I found a Hot Rod figure on Amazon and bought that sucker a while back. I am now complete.
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#25
Bayformers is fine with me for the most part but I think Hot Rod was one of the most underutilized characters in all six movies. That was NOT Hot Rod. The "stahp de time" Transformer was perfectly fine. But that that was supposed to be Hot Rod was absurd. The only others whose disservice even comes close to what they did to Hot Rod were Devastator and Galvatron. They really needed to make SOME sort of attempt at approximating their G1 aesthetics in the movies. The rest of them were either close enough or the changes made didn't bother me..

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#26
Aw, man . . . Bayverse Devastator was all kinds of badass. It’s the only design from the flicks I like.
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#27
I just remember his nuts.
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#28
(01-22-2021, 05:12 PM)turingmachine75 Wrote: Aw, man . . . Bayverse Devastator was all kinds of badass. It’s the only design from the flicks I like.

Devastator was the one case where the big green G1 design was sorely missed (IMO) because he was such a terrifying and unstoppable force in the cartoon (especially to a 5 year old...one of the few Decepticons that seemed legit scary). His look was iconic. The green and purple. Standing upright like a skyscraper as compared to that gorilla postured nonsense and the way it sounded like he spoke with all six constructicon's voices simultaneously made him sound eeeevil. And he was always just crazy over powered. In that good way. Which made it extra cool when the dino-bots or Omega Supreme actually managed to hold their own with him.

And as Bradito said....his balls was the most memorable thing about him. That and it was the freakin TWINS and John Turturro who took him out!! Super powered, face taking Steroidimus Prime should've been the one to, if not kill him, at least blow him apart and have him run away. But no....the twins. Ugh.

I think this might be my most nerd stenchy post ever..

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#29
Still convinced I made the right choice skipping all the Bayformers in between the first one and Bumblebee.
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#30
Bumblebee, while the best of the live action movies, still has the unwashable stink of it’s ancestry on it.
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#31
Only if you know what to sniff for. It stands on its own just fine, and doesn't bog down with inside references or foreshadowing.
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#32
Bumblebee is the best live-action film. It's essentially the same setup as the first live-action film, a kid gets a new car that happens to be a shapeshifting robut soldier in a robut civil war, but it's much more economically told and emotionally engaging.
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#33
(01-22-2021, 07:47 PM)hammerhead Wrote: Still convinced I made the right choice skipping all the Bayformers in between the first one and Bumblebee.

When it comes to your own taste....you're probably right. That's why I don't recommend them to anyone. They're the type of thing that you pretty much know if you're the target audience or not. And...a lot of the appeal of them comes from being an 80s kid who lived and breathed Transformers back then. I don't care what anyone says...hearing Peter Cullen voicing Optimus Prime in a series of $200 million movies is just magical to me. It goes beyond just mere nostalgia. It's seeing a character that was an 80s pop culture icon fully realized. I'd be about half as enthusiastic about them if they hadn't gotten him back. If you didn't grow up with it and it doesn't mean the same thing to you...I totally get why they can be shrugged off. 

Aside from the first one...I come closest to thinking Dark of the Moon and Age of Extinction have a bit more merit if one is in the mood for a couple flicks that go above and beyond giving you bang for your buck. The hour+ long end battle scenes in those two are so gargantuan in scale and FX work that they're mind boggling. Whedon or Feige one...I can't remember which....outright said that the mega battle at the end of Dark of the Moon influenced how big they wanted to go with the New York battle in The Avengers. And Extinction has the best villain of the series. He gets all the best scenes and lines. If excess isn't your thing, you need not bother but nobody can say they cheated their audience in the action department.

But Bumblebee is definitely the best one from a filmmaking POV. Its running time and good naturedness was the right way to go after The Last Knight jumped the shark. Though I feel even that one has one scene that's so insanely huge that it almost justifies the rest of it lol..

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(01-22-2021, 07:33 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: And as Bradito said....his balls was the most memorable thing about him. That and it was the freakin TWINS and John Turturro who took him out!! Super powered, face taking Steroidimus Prime should've been the one to, if not kill him, at least blow him apart and have him run away. But no....the twins. Ugh.

In the video game adaptation the Autobots as a whole actually defeat Devastator. Either they made that up just for the game, or it was leftover from a previous script draft which they were given.

(01-22-2021, 10:38 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: But Bumblebee is definitely the best one from a filmmaking POV. Its running time and good naturedness was the right way to go after The Last Knight jumped the shark. Though I feel even that one has one scene that's so insanely huge that it almost justifies the rest of it lol..

Don't you mean jumped the Cybershark?

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C'mon man, the joke was right there.
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#35
I should've said jumped the sharkticon. #missedopportunities

All the autobots defeating Devastator together had to have been made up for the game. When confronting the biggest, baddest Decepticon in the film, OBVIOUSLY the only choice to take him out would be the two worst Transformers ever who are probably also the weakest and a human character who wore out his welcome well before the first film ended.

They might as well have had an unsuited Gwyneth Paltrow be the one to beat Thanos in a straight up fight in Endgame. That's about how that felt to me..

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