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Pre-Release Matrix Reloaded Discussion
Looks like I won't catch this till Saturday do to wanting to see it with the g/f who is going out of town for Friday so my question is...

How has Chewer reaction been so far?
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CTDeLude:
Looks like I won't catch this till Saturday do to wanting to see it with the g/f who is going out of town for Friday so my question is...

How has Chewer reaction been so far?

Really damn good in the post release thread.
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Pretty good. I loved it as did quite a few others. Tony Ryan & AJ both seriously disliked it, and had good reasons to back up their opinion.

If you're waiting 'til saturday stay the hell out of the post release as it is really littered with spoilers.
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Ah many thanks.

I will probably ask again come tomorrow when everyone but me has seen it.

Well maybe Khitch and me.

P.S. As much as I love the kid I am afriad Tony made up his mind long before he went into to see the movie. Least his comments on this board portrayed such a thought process.

I weep. wink

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Don't worry, CT, I'm right there with ya. I won't be seeing it until Monday.
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Knowles needs help.

I pride myself on not being a kneejerk AICN/Harry basher, but this is absurd.

And after having seen the film, some of his critiques about why Neo's powers weren't greater and the vampire/werewolf crap make no sense whatsoever.

I think he's clearly just embarassing himself here with this rather transparent attempt to slag the film AGAIN.
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Don't worry, CT, I'm right there with ya. I won't be seeing it until Monday.

Right on man.

We are the sinners of CHUD. We see a movie 1 or more days after the release. I don't know if there is any forgiveness.
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Basically, Harry's complaint is that RELOADED isn't THE MATRIX, but if it were very much like THE MATRIX like he thinks he wants, then he'd be bitching that it's a pointless rehash. I don't know why he's out to destroy people's excitement for the movie, though.

If you're going to add comments to a review, you have to add some new idea or epiphany you just had or comment on a change of opinion. Otherwise, it's pointless nagging. Here he's out to destroy RELOADED by rehashing points he's already made but in far more detail. And he said he liked this movie?
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Basically, Harry's complaint is that RELOADED isn't THE MATRIX, but if it were very much like THE MATRIX like he thinks he wants, then he'd be bitching that it's a pointless rehash. I don't know why he's out to destroy people's excitement for the movie, though.

My guess is that it would be because he got overexcited after X2 and declared it the supreme over Reloaded. Now instead of eating his words, he's just going to be stubborn.
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Quick question, I bought the ENTER THE MATRIX videogame today, and I haven't seen the movie yet. Where does the game lie in film canon? Is it between the first and RELOADED, does it take place during RELOADED, what? I don't want to play it and be spoiled (seeing RELOADED tomorrow).
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Quick question, I bought the ENTER THE MATRIX videogame today, and I haven't seen the movie yet. Where does the game lie in film canon? Is it between the first and RELOADED, does it take place during RELOADED, what? I don't want to play it and be spoiled (seeing RELOADED tomorrow).

During Reloaded.
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As far as I understand, the first mission happens between the end of ...Osiris and the beginning of Reloaded. The rest of the game runs concurrently with Reloaded.
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The game will spoil things for you, Nordling. Watch the movie first.
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Thanks.
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The Matrix Reloaded
Written by Chris McGeachy © 2003
3.5 out of 4 stars

Forget all of those ‘negative’ reviews. I’ve never really been one to follow the crowd. In fact I’ll admit that there are often times that I do like to play Devil’s advocate just for the sake of arguing. When the first Matrix film came out in 1999 we had only been given a taste of what the Wachowski brothers had to offer. This taste was in fact but a morsel on a platter of exquisite candies, probably filled with liquor. It’s hard to imagine that it’s only been four years since we last stepped into the Matrix, especially considering the new heights in both computer animation and film craft that the motion picture industry has achieved. In a world where sequels can be the life or death of a classic film I was definitely very pleased to see not only the return of these characters in Reloaded but the ‘raising’ of the stakes as well.

This film is set approximately six months after the first, starting not in the computer-generated Matrix but in Zion – the human home world. We finally get a glimpse of this post-apocalyptic world – a world that is divided by those who believe that the One will fulfill a prophecy and those who believe that Neo does not in fact hold the key to the Matrix. Morpheus, a true believer of the prophecy, heads back up top with Neo and the gang to try and win the war – but there’s a catch. It’s been discovered that millions upon millions of robots are digging at Zion – trying to get to the core and the juicy human goods inside. Time is running out for our ill-fated heroes and this is when things start to heat up as Neo must finally realize his potential or all will be lost.

The imagery in this film needs mentioning first, returning are the influences of Geiger but we’re also given some different glimpses of this post-apocalyptic war zone. The Matrix Reloaded offers visual treats for all kinds of audiences - be you the cinematic scrutinizer or just the person looking for the great action – this film delivers in a big way. I was just as easily impressed with the cave dwelling peoples of Zion, and some of the imagery used during those scenes in Zion. Believe it or not the Wachowski brothers have only directed two other films, the first Matrix and a short film called Bound (1996). Both these films impressed me with their visual styles, and Reloaded is no different – these two have an eye for story, and they’re able to relate it so well on the screen.

Ah yes, and Hollywood has been looking for distinction in a martial arts style action for years – here it is folks. Though the style of fighting and their principles are taken straight from Hong Kong cinema, special effects and the goal to bring the fighting up a notch made this entry a very exciting one. A scene where Neo fights multiple clones of Agent Smith – who by now we’ve found out can clone himself – is breathtaking. There is also the big budget car chase down a freeway that sees Agents and heroes hopping from car to truck in a dance of light and excitement. The bar was raised here as well. The cinematography on this entire production is something to gawk at, beautiful wide shots, no fast-paced edits during the action scene and a look that is totally genuine in so many places makes Reloaded a delightful treat for the eye.

We can’t forget the mythology either. This series took itself to unprecedented heights during the first film of the series and I was definitely skeptical that Reloaded would be able to even match the startling revelations of the first film. Again the Wachowski brothers answered the call, this time by questioning the plausibility of the one himself and of the merit of the human resistance. I found that this film had just as many surprises as the first in terms of storyline, and it was definitely a worthy addition to this already stellar series.

Reading reviews of this film, I think people are a little misguided with good reason. The first Matrix film needed to be seen at least twice to even grasp everything that was being thrown at you. ‘Causality’ and purpose in Reloaded is a huge theme, and it runs throughout. There are hints of it everywhere – and those who aren’t looking for it are not going to find it. There are characters who find new purpose, there are others who find old purpose lost, but the Matrix definitely has running theme of purpose. People who weren’t into the lore or the philosophical aspects of the film were a little disappointed – yet I ask what they did expect from this film, you have a group of humans that have at one time found out a horrific truth about the reality of their lives – wouldn’t you turn to philosophy and faith?

My problems with this film were generally minor. I was a little disappointed that the character played by Jada Pinkett was underused in the latter half – as was the rest of the population of Zion in my opinion. The ending of the film also seemed to come at the wrong time – there are cliffhangers and there are cliffhangers, but the film opened too many cans of worms before finishing itself off – and I’d wished we’d been kept more in the dark for the third film. Dialogue once again was an issue for me, though this time it wasn’t so much a problem with clichéd dialogue rather meaningless drivel. For instance a scene involving Neo and the architect of the Matrix seemed to drag on and string out things using semantics – and this wasn’t the only time characters were talking gibberish to me. But these are minor nuisances and really didn’t stop me from enjoying, and more importantly, understanding this film.

The action is here, though the scenes in between may be a little heavy on philosophy and purpose for some. I love the mythology created, and I thought this film was not only a testament to the series, but to great cinema as well. This is a film that needs to be seen on the big screen with the big sound, and I’m almost certain that this will maintain a cult following for years to come and be looked back on as one of the greats of our time.
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Damn, it is killing me not to go read the Post Release thread. I too was wondering what people were thinking about it here on the boards. I don't know when I will get to see Matrix Reloaded. All I know is it will be this weekend.
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Holy cats. Now that the film is released, the TV spots are going crazy with stuff not seen before. I saw one last night and I think every scene was something new.
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I can´t wait to read the post-release thread. I´m going to see the movie in two hours.
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For those of you who have the soundtrack album, do you know what the codes in the liner notes are for? I've found three, they all start with "0x...". I thought they might be for the video game, but they appear to be longer than the code that is given for unlimited ammo. I also tried the Hack the Matrix site with no luck there. Any ideas?
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Alright someone give me the latest update on what people are thinking of this film. Will you please? And of course, no spoilers wink
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A lot of people are really really fucking loving it, but a few seem to like it with some srong reservations, and a few hate it. All I know, is that I have been talking about it for days with friends and I plan on seeing it dozens of times. It even surprised the hell out of me.
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<a href="http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/cst-ftr-matrix14f.html" target="_blank">Ebert's Review was almost totally positive. Well-written as usual too.</a>

Loved this part...but I know a lot of people may not...

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I became aware, during the film, that a majority of the major characters were played by African Americans. Neo and Trinity are white, and so is Agent Smith, but consider Morpheus; his superior Commander Lock (Harry Lennix); the beautiful and deadly Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith), who once loved Morpheus and now is with Lock, although she explains enigmatically that some things never change; the programmer Link (Harold Perrineau); Link's wife, Zee (Nona Gaye), who has the obligatory scene where she complains he's away from home too much, and the Oracle (the late Gloria Foster, very portentous). From what we can see of the extras, the population of Zion is largely black.

It has become commonplace for science fiction epics to feature one or two African-American stars, but we've come a long way since Billy Dee Williams in "Return of the Jedi." The Wachowski brothers use so many African Americans, I suspect, not for their box-office appeal, because the Matrix is the star of the movie, and not because they are good actors (which they are), but because to the white teenagers who are the primary audience for this movie, African-Americans embody a cool, a cachet, an authenticy. Morpheus is the power center of the movie, and Neo's role is essentially to study under him and absorb his mojo.

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A lot of people are really really fucking loving it, but a few seem to like it with some srong reservations, and a few hate it. All I know, is that I have been talking about it for days with friends and I plan on seeing it dozens of times. It even surprised the hell out of me.

While almost nobody completely "gets" it (I'd wager that the W bros are the only ones), it seems that the ones who at least get that there's something to get, are really loving this. It's been way over the heads of some, and therein lies the hate.
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Doesn't matter to me...as long as I get to look at Monica Bellucci. The Italian goddess wink
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Just in case anyone hasn't already picked up on this (I cannot believe they haven't):

Agent Smith's little diatribe at Neo in the hallway, where he sneers at his 'stupidity'?

'...still using all the muscles in the body except the largest...'

Of course, as any biology student will know, the heart is the largest muscle in the body, not the brain.

You'd have to suspect that such a stupid error is in fact ... no error at all.
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I don't think that's the exact line. I don't think he says "largest". Something like, "I see you are still using all your muscles except the one that matters most" or something. Could be wrong.
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Just in case anyone hasn't already picked up on this (I cannot believe they haven't):

Agent Smith's little diatribe at Neo in the hallway, where he sneers at his 'stupidity'?

'...still using all the muscles in the body except the largest...'

Of course, as any biology student will know, the heart is the largest muscle in the body, not the brain.

You'd have to suspect that such a stupid error is in fact ... no error at all.

That's "...Still using all the muscles except the one that MATTERS." Sheesh.
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...This is in the pre-release discussion because...?
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