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MMA Thread (UFC, Pride, K-1, etc)
#71
Kimbo's kind of an underground legend. The story going around is that he is a bodyguard for some guy in the porn industry. He supposedly gets hopped up on drugs right before his fights. He's got some pretty heavy hands, but no real skill. Gannon has limited MMA experience and is in terrible shape. But Gannon still managed to beat Kimbo. The fight almost cost Gannon his job as a cop in Boston. There were a few articles about the cop who fights underground illegal cage fights.

After that, Gannon actually got a shot at the big time when he fought the swing bout at UFC 55 against Branden Lee Hinkle. Joe Rogan talked a lot about how much he liked that Kimbo-Gannon fight during the broadcast. He pretty much acknowledged that the video and the surrounding controversy were the only reasons Gannon was getting his shot. Gannon looked out of shape and scared out of his gourd. Hinkle is a mildly talented guy who is too muscular for his own good. Hinkle, a wrestler who loses a lot of fights by submission, beat the piss out Gannon. He took Gannon down almost immediately and pounded on him until Gannon eventually tapped out towards the end of the first round.
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#72
Ultimate Fight Night 4 starts in about an hour on Spike TV. I expect to see Koscheck and Rashad go down tonight.
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#73
Well, that sucked. Apparently, my boy Burkman got dominated and choked out by Jon Fitch. Fitch is on a 9 fight win streak with victories over Burkman, Shonie Carter, and Brock Larson. Not that I saw the fight because the main card featured 4 fights that went the distance. Chris Leben won an easy decision over Luigi Fiorivanti. The biggest upset of the night was Josh Neer getting a unanimous decision victory over Joe Stevenson, who won the WW division on TUF Season 2. Stevenson almost ended the fight in the first with a deep knee bar, but Neer refused to tap. Once Stevenson released the hold, he was pretty tired. Neer then used his reach advantage to pound on Stevenson and get the win.

Rashad Evans won a lackluster fight against Sam Hoger. Rashad needs to learn to pass guard and look to finish fights if he wants to have a future. The UFC won't keep putting him on the main card if they know he will go the distance every time out.

The main event was actually a really good fight. Stephan Bonnar and Keith Jardine both pushed the action almost the entire fight. Jardine kept nailing Bonnar with leg kicks, even throwing in some high kicks towards the end. Bonnar almost choked out Jardine and later stunned him with a solid shot that put Jardine on the mat. But Jardine landed more shots and controlled the fight. I though Jardine won every single round, but the judges gave Bonnar the unanimous decision.
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#74
Yeah, I recorded the whole thing, but actually watched the last fight, and I thought Jardine had it sewn up. I was really surprised the judges gave it unanimously, no less, to Bonner. Maybe there was a bit of "Shit, our UF2 champ already lost tonight--we better makes sure the UF1 co-champ doesn't lose to a guy from season two that didn't even make it to the finals."
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#75
UFC 59 coming on Saturday night. Forrest Griffin-Tito Ortiz and Andre Arlovski-Tim Sylvia are the co-main events. Sylvia will probably be carried out of the Pond on Saturday. Arlovski's just too good right now. I'm also picking Forrest in an upset. I'm usually not too big on The Ultimate Fighter alums, but I think Forrest is legit. He has a win over Jeff Monson, who is fighting Cruz on the card in a #1 contender's match for the HW title.

This also has the potential to suck if Tito and Sylvia go into survival mode. Tito is pretty good at controlling fighters on the ground, pushing the action just enough to keep from being stood up. Sylvia might just use his long jab to keep Arlovski away, like Sylvia did with Silva. Hopefully, these guys come in actually trying to finish their fights.
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#76
Results? Anyone? I heard Ortiz beat Forrest on a controversial decision, but that's it.
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#77
Sorry I hadn't written anything up on this yet. It was probably one of the better PPVs the UFC has put on in a while.

Jeff Monson beat Pe De Pano Cruz by unanimous decision in kind of a slow-paced fight. Cruz is the guy who beat Frank Mir a few months ago. Monson landed a decent number of shots on the feet and controlled the positioning on the ground. Neither guy is that exciting, but Monson will aparently be challenging for the heavyweight title soon.

Evan Tanner returned getting a first round triangle choke on Justin Levens. Tanner looked really good in this fight, controlling the action from the start.

In the swing bout, Sean Sherk won a unanimous 30-27 decision against Nick Diaz. The fight wasn't too exciting, as Diaz did little to put Sherk in any danger. Diaz has now lost three in a row and will probably not be back in the UFC till he picks up a few more wins in smaller shows. Sherk will be dropping down to the new 155 division.

Tito beat Forrest by split decision in one of the most exciting fights I've seen in a long time. Forrest sprinted out to the center of the ring to start every round. Tito took Forrest down easily in the first and pounded him with elbows for the first 3 minutes. Forrest was cut up pretty badly over his left eye. I thought the ref was going to stop it, but then Forrest used the fence to stand up. They traded some shots and Tito took Forrest down again, pounding him until the end of the round. I didn't think Forrest would survive the second round. In the second, Tito tried and failed about 6 times to take down Forrest. They traded a lot of shots on the feet, with Forrest landing a lot more shots. In the third, they traded some more punches. Forrest landed more shots, but Tito's punches did more damage. Tito finally took Forrest down in the last minute, but couldn't really do much damage as the third ran out. Eddie Bravo (not an official judge) scored it 29-28 for Forrest (9-10, 10-9, 10-9). Two of the official judges scored it 30-27 and 29-27 for Tito. One scored it 29-28 for Forrest. The crowd was really hot for this fight.

The biggest shocker is that Tim Sylvia got the TKO on Andrei Arlovski to win back the Heavyweight belt. Andrei pushed the action early and landed a few decent shots. About 2 minutes in, Andrei landed a solid shot to Sylvia's chin that sounded like a sledgehammer cracking cement. Sylvia went down flat on his back but quickly scrambled back up to his feet, showing that his chin is rock solid. Arlovski, smelling blood in the water, put his head down and came in swinging. As he came in, Sylvia threw a short right that landed right on the button. Andrei went down face-first and Sylvia took his back. After about 10 unanswered punches to the side of Arlovski's head, Ref Herb Dean stopped the fight. Two days later, I'm still in shock.
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#78
That sucks about Sylvia and Arlovski. For some reason, I just don't like Sylvia that much. And I've met Forrest, and I really wish he'd beaten Tito, although I'm beginning to not dislike Tito as much as Shamrock after the first few episodes of UF3. My boxing/kickboxing instructor is a lot like Shamrock, with a little bit of Ortiz's personality thrown in. Maybe that's the source of my dislike for the two guys on the show.

Thanks for the results, JVC.
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#79
Yeah, big shocker with Sylvia winning. I think he's a shit fighter, but I give him credit for winning.
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#80
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Originally Posted by sin-eater

Yeah, big shocker with Sylvia winning. I think he's a shit fighter, but I give him credit for winning.

He's got great punching power. He could knock out just about anyone if he lands his shots. Arlovski's problem was getting too confident after he got the knock down. Arlovski threw caution to the wind and came in swinging and he paid for it.

I don't think Tim is the most skilled fighter in the world, but being 6'8" with heavy hands and good take down defense means there aren't a lot of fighters out there who could beat him. Of course, I would put Fedor Emelianenko and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira on that list, along with two or three other guys from Pride. And I think Arlovski will beat him in the rubber match. But, you've got to give the big guy credit for being the better man last Saturday.

Now the UFC has the unenviable task of trying to market two champs (Liddell and Sylvia) with mohawks and love handles.
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#81
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car

Now the UFC has the unenviable task of trying to market two champs (Liddell and Sylvia) with mohawks and love handles.

I like Liddell a lot better than Sylvia. At least Chuck doesn't look like a lumbering fool. I mean, Sylvia could be the nicest guy in the world, but he just looks like he rolled in from a bar and took his shirt off to fight somebody.
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#82
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Originally Posted by Martianman

I like Liddell a lot better than Sylvia. At least Chuck doesn't look like a lumbering fool. I mean, Sylvia could be the nicest guy in the world, but he just looks like he rolled in from a bar and took his shirt off to fight somebody.

Haha, no that'd be Tank Abbott.
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#83
Well, Tim Sylvia will get a chance to prove his tko of Arlovski wasn't a fluke. Dana White announced last week that Sylvia-Arlovski 3 is on in July. Also, since Tito will be out for a little while, his fight with Shamrock is being postponed. Instead, Forrest Griffin is stepping up to fight Shamrock on the same card as Sylvia-Arlovski. Should be a good one.

In the meantime, I'm gearing up for Pride's Absolute Grand Prix on May 5. There are a lot of great fighters on the card, but not a lot of great matchups. I'll probably wait till the next round in July before ordering one of the Grand Prix PPVs. With Cro-Cop, Minotauro, Mark Hunt, Fujita, Josh Barnett, and Yoshida involved, the tourney will get more interesting in the later rounds.
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#84
Holy crap, I think Forrest is gonna knock Shamrock out. I haven't been impressed by Shamrock since he came back after his stint in the WWE.
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#85
I would have rather seen them have Shamrock wait and still have him fight Ortiz. Then have Griffen and Bonnar rematch, with the winner of Griffen-Bonnar fight the winner of Ortiz-Shamrock and also have the losers match up with one another.

And Arlovski should beat Sylvia, he'll probably catch him the same way he did in the previous two fights, I just think he'll be a little more cautious this time.
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#86
just started reading this thread and i love UFC and MMA. i don't really know much but i can't get enough watching it. anyways, i wanted to get the opinions of people who know more than me about this, but how do you guys see the upcoming Hughes-Gracie fight going?
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#87
A lot of people think that Royce Gracie will pull of a submission upset. But I honestly think that people have turned on Hughes since he was a coach on the TUF last year. Because he came across as a dick. I believe Hughes is going to dominate Gracie. Then go on to beat St. Pierre again and probably match up against BJ Penn again.
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#88
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car

As he came in, Sylvia threw a short right that landed right on the button. Andrei went down face-first and Sylvia took his back. After about 10 unanswered punches to the side of Arlovski's head, Ref Herb Dean stopped the fight. Two days later, I'm still in shock.

I've thought about it and I have to say I think there's an argument for that fight being stopped prematurely. The way Arlovski shot his hand up in front of his face along with his body language has me convinced that he was deliberately defending himself. He obviously wasn't doing it very well, but I think that may have had a lot more to do with the postion he was in than being dazed.
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#89
It's Arlovski's fault that he lost. He should've done more than lay there. I look at this fight like Arlovski lost it more than Sylvia actually won it.

But that's what the 3rd fight will prove.
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#90
Turtling up isn't considered intelligently defending yourself. Sylvia landed a lot of unanswered shots to the side of Arlovski's head. Herb Dean watched to see if Arlovski was going to change positions or fight back and Arlovski never did. Another 5 seconds would mean another 5 punches to the head. It was a judgment call that I kind of disagreed with at first. I thought they should have given Arlovski the benefit of the doubt and allowed it to continue a little longer. After I saw the replay a few times, it seemed a little clearer to me that Herb Dean made the right call to protect Arlovski from further damage.

I thought that the UFC might use Arlovski and Sylvia as the coaches for the next season of The Ultimate Fighter leading to their rematch. They obviously aren't doing that and we are seeing the rematch almost immediately. I guess that means the UFC really wants Arlovski to get the belt back, as they aren't wasting any time building up Tim Sylvia as the champ by giving him guys like Buentello, Monson, Cruz, or Mir for his first few title defenses.

And Forrest is going to beat the hell out of Shamrock.
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#91
Pride's absolute weight tournament, set for May 5, is looking pretty bad right now. No Fedor Emilianenko. No Wanderlei Silva. No Shogun Rua. No Takanori Gomi. Dan Henderson probably won't compete. Not a single weight class or Grand Prix champ is involved in this one so far. This is a nightmare for Pride. Right now, they don't have too many good matchups announced. A week away, they still haven't even announced two of the fights. We don't even know who the last two fighters participating are. I will definitely be skipping this one unless they announce a couple more big fights in the next few days. Once the herd is thinned down to 8 fighters, I will probably ordering the PPV. Any combination of Mark Hunt, Rodrigo Nogueira, Cro-Cop, Fujita, Barnett, Yoshida, and Overeem will be worth watching.

My other Pride rant has to do with the weakening of Pride's 205 lb division. Wanderlei Silva's $500,000 per fight contract has expired and he is holding out for a lot more money. Rampage Jackson won't be resigning with Pride. Shogun is on the shelf for at least 6 more months. Ninja Rua and Dan Henderson have dropped down to the 183 lb weight class. Alistair Overeem has moved up to heavyweight. Vitor Belfort is fighting elsewhere. Pride has gone from a stacked 205 division to having basically four or five decent 205 fighters. Nakamura is decent. Sakuraba is really a 183 lb fighter who has been killed lately at 205. Igor Vovchachyn has been sucking wind at 205 and should move back up to heavyweight or get out of the game. Only Ricardo Arona and Rogerio Nogueira are world class at that weight and they are teammates who won't fight each other. They really need to resign Silva or this division is in serious trouble.
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#92
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car

Turtling up isn't considered intelligently defending yourself. Sylvia landed a lot of unanswered shots to the side of Arlovski's head. Herb Dean watched to see if Arlovski was going to change positions or fight back and Arlovski never did. Another 5 seconds would mean another 5 punches to the head. It was a judgment call that I kind of disagreed with at first. I thought they should have given Arlovski the benefit of the doubt and allowed it to continue a little longer. After I saw the replay a few times, it seemed a little clearer to me that Herb Dean made the right call to protect Arlovski from further damage.

I thought that the UFC might use Arlovski and Sylvia as the coaches for the next season of The Ultimate Fighter leading to their rematch. They obviously aren't doing that and we are seeing the rematch almost immediately. I guess that means the UFC really wants Arlovski to get the belt back, as they aren't wasting any time building up Tim Sylvia as the champ by giving him guys like Buentello, Monson, Cruz, or Mir for his first few title defenses.

And Forrest is going to beat the hell out of Shamrock.

I think you're right, although Arlovski wasn't actually turtled up. He fell in such a way that he was lying on his stomach, and Sylvia did the very best thing he could've, which was sit on the small of his back and pin him lying that way to the mat. Arlovski didn't change positions because in that 3 second period while the Maineiac was paving his face, he couldn't. His hips were trapped very well. He could barely scoot side to side, much less get an upa of some type off. At that point, all he could do before the fight was over was get the one hand in front of his face, which in my opinion is all any fighter regardless of skill level or freshness could do in the same position.

Now, all this may add up to the same thing, which is that he wasn't able to adequitely defend himself. My only point is that I don't think it was because he wasn't composed mentally, or that he coudn't have if he was in a different/better position.
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#93
The Pride Absolute Grand Prix is airing tonight. I'm still up in the air as to whether I will get this one or not. There aren't a lot of must-see matchups. I actually checked the spoilers (it finished live in Japan early this morning) and the fights were supposedly pretty good. If I do see it, I will do a write-up over the weekend.

The big news this week is that Pride lost Kazushi Sakuraba to K-1. Sakuraba is the guy who beat all four Gracies he fought in Pride. K-1 is throwing a lot of money at fighters right now trying to build up its MMA division beyond the freakshow fights they put on with Bob Sapp, Akebono, and other huge guys. K-1 is rumored to have offered Wanderlei Silva (the Pride 205 lb champ) a lot of money to jump ship. BJ Penn will be fighting there soon with the permission of the UFC. Maybe K-1 will put on a decent MMA card in the next few months.
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#94
I'd like to see K-1 get more into the MMA mix. The only thing of interest they have is the ocasional san Sho matches, and that's only because it's the only place you can see a flying scissor kick actually be used in a Martial Arts match.
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#95
Anyone else catch the premier of the IFL (International Fight League) on Fox Sports Network? Apparently someone recently saw a rerun of Eric Roberts in "Best of the Best" on late night cable, and thought it would be cool to have MMA teams. 2 Teams, 5 weight classes, first team to win 3 bouts gets the win. Basically a PRIDE style fight (square boxing ring) with 3 4-minute rounds.

I only caught the first bout tivo'd this morning. The Anacondas (What no Kobra Kai?) coached by Bas Rutten and the Silverbacks, coached by Pat Militech. Total mismatch with the Silverback guy owning the other guy (got to remember names). I'll catch the rest of the episode tonight.

I'm curious if it's the same 5 guys on each team, or if they have a roster to select from, in which case Bas Rutten needs to grab another light weight.

Kind of a silly concept, but once again, I never bitch about free cable MMA.
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#96
Wow, so this is actually on television? I've seen print ads for the actual event, but I didn't realize it was on TV.
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#97
FSN, scheduled by FSN's usual random time generator. Thank god for TIVO.
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#98
I caught a bit of the first fight from the IFL show, but couldn't stick around to watch it. When it replays, I'll let TIVO do its job. I guess they are supposed to be airing the second set of teams going at it next week some time.

I won't complain about free MMA, but I just don't see the team concept taking off in MMA. I don't care about the teams on The Ultimate Fighter. I don't care that Tito's team is 5-1. I like Bas Rutten, but I don't care if his team wins or loses in the IFL. To me, MMA is all about the individual, not the team, coach, or system.
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#99
My thoughts exactly. Unless you toss more than 2 fighters in there (a strangely intriguing idea), this can never be classified as a "team" sport. And I'll be annoyed if one team wins the first 3 matches and they skip having the last 2 bouts.
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Man, there's nothing more I'd love to see than a tag-team MMA bout. That would be damn interesting. And make the team part mandatory, so like, if there's no "tag" after an allotted amount of time into the round (say at the 2:30 point), the partner automatically comes into the fight and the first guy steps out.
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Martianman, it looks like you are getting your Olaf wish. According to The Pride FC Official Website, Olaf Anderson is on the next Bushido card on June 4. He's scheduled to get his lead leg snapped in half by Mach Sakurai's leg kicks.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot that that UFC 60 is this Saturday. They have a decent card lined up, headlined by Matt Hughes v. Royce Gracie (the fights on the main card are in bold):

Matt Hughes v. Royce Gracie (175 lb limit, non-title fight)
Brandon Vera v. Assuerio Silva
Mike Swick v. Joe Riggs
Diego Sanchez v. John Allesio
Melvin Guillard v. Rick Davis
Spencer Fisher v. Matt Wiman
Dean Lister v. Allesio Sakara
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Fabiano Scherner
Jeremy Horn v. Chael Sonnen

Vera-Silva and Swick-Riggs are going to be monster fights. Someone is getting knocked out. If Vera beats Silva, he will automatically become a contender for the HW belt. While Gonzaga-Scherner might be kind of a slow, methodical BJJ fight and Hughes-Gracie has the possibility of ending up with manslaughter charges being brought against the WW Champ, I see a bunch of really good matchups.

Edited to show fights on main card (i.e., guaranteed to be televised).
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OLAF! OLAF! OLAF! Maybe his nose will actually come off in this fight. I wonder how long his hair and beard will be when he fights. "Olaf weighs in at 155 pounds...with beard and hair, 160."



This is how he got killed in the last fight I saw him in:

With a kick


And a nasty punch:
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If you like quick brutal knockouts and slick submissions, UFC 60 was a great show. Only one of the nine fights went to a decision. It was also the only fight that went into the third round.

John Allesio took Diego Sanchez the distance behind his jab and takedown defense. Diego pushed the fight all three rounds, trying takedown after takedown. Allesio stuffed every single one. Alessio threw stiff jabs, but didn't use any combinations. Neither fighter really did anything to hurt the other until the surreal final 3 minutes. In the clinch, Diego took Alessio's back, climbing up and getting hooks in. Allesio calmly carried Diego over to Allesio's corner where Jeremy Horn started giving instructions. Allesio attempted an odd-looking arm bar while Diego worked hard for a rear naked choke. They remained in this piggyback position for the final few minutes as Diego gave up on the choke attempts and unleashed a flury of punches to Allesio's head to close out the fight. Diego won the unanimous decision as Allesio made no real attempts to close out the fight. The crowd booed, but I saw no way Allesio was going to take this fight with just takedown defense.

Brandon Vera submitted Assuerio Silva via guillotine choke in the first round. They traded low kicks and quick jabs early, until Vera accidentally poked Silva in the eye. After a break, Silva came out angry and agressive. As Silva shot from a good distance away, Vera grabbed Silva's head, pulled guard, and sunk in the choke. This is a huge win for Vera, who finally showed his great submission skills.

Mike Swick also used the guillotine choke to end his fight with Joe Riggs in the first round. The fighters circled each other for the first minute, before Swick stepped in to throw some quick combinations. Riggs shot in and got caught. Swick gets a quality win and puts himself on track for a title shot in the next year or so.

Dean Lister completely outclassed Allesio Sakara, slapping on a slick triangle choke early in the first round. Lister took the boxer down early and put on a guard clinic. After using the omoplata shoulderlock to improve position, he set up the move a second time. When Sakara moved to defend, Lister transitioned smoothly to a triangle choke, forcing Sakara to tap. After the fight, Lister said he would be dropping down to 185.

In the main event Matt Hughes punished Royce Gracie, getting the TKO late in the first round. Royce, fighting for the first time in MMA without his gi, started out throwing solid leg kicks. Matt quickly took Royce to the ground and landed in the side mount. Matt went for a kimura, then used his arms to straighten out Gracies left arm, apparently hyperextending Royce's elbow. When Royce refused to tap, Hughes changed strategies. Hughes went for the mount and Royce gave up his back, attempting to roll out of a bad position. Hughes defended the escape and ended up with rear mount. After Hughes landed about ten unanswered punches to Royce's head, Big John McCarthy stepped in to stop the fight.

On the undercard, Melvin Guillard knocked out Rick Davis in the first, Jeremy Horn submitted Cael Sonnen via armbar in the second, Gabriel Gonzaga got the TKO on Fabiano Scherner in the second, and Spencer Fisher knocked out Matt Wiman with a brutal flying knee.
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Hopefully the UFC will quit propping up Riggs. He's been a televised fight in the last few UFC events and gets his shit handed to him consistently. All in all, good fights if not quick ones. You had to watch the undercard fights at the end if you wanted to see any knockouts though. And Hughes flat out dominated Gracie. That was a first class ass-kicking. Not sure who will be next for Hughes, maybe GSP again, but he's clearly on another level from his competition. As Rogan says, "he has freakish gorilla strength".
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Originally Posted by sweaterbydarwin

Hopefully the UFC will quit propping up Riggs. He's been a televised fight in the last few UFC events and gets his shit handed to him consistently. All in all, good fights if not quick ones. You had to watch the undercard fights at the end if you wanted to see any knockouts though. And Hughes flat out dominated Gracie. That was a first class ass-kicking. Not sure who will be next for Hughes, maybe GSP again, but he's clearly on another level from his competition. As Rogan says, "he has freakish gorilla strength".

Riggs is still kind of young and has a unique personality. Like Nick Diaz, he'll keep getting more shots than he probably deserves based on his performances.

Hughes is set to fight GSP in either September or October. The UFC is hoping to schedule the event in Canada. I just wonder at this point if anyone at 170 can beat Hughes. I'm pretty high on GSP right now, but Hughes is just so versatile. I think GSP's best chance is to keep it on the feet, use his reach advantage and score enough points to take the decision. GSP isn't going to outwrestle Hughes and I don't see him sneaking a submission past Hughes's defense. Then again, even though it started with a kick to the groin, Trigg almost finished Hughes with a choke in their second fight. And of course BJ Penn choked out Hughes a couple years ago. I just think that Matt has evolved since the Penn fight.
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