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MMA Thread (UFC, Pride, K-1, etc)
I actually think they should've let the Hughes/Gracie fight go on longer. Royce wasn't fighting back really but he wasn't that hurt, he's a go hard gangster like that. I wonder how bad his arm is hurt from that kimura, I'm always entertained by Gracie's refusing to tap. I remember in a Pride event, I think it was Renzo but I can't keep them straight, had his arm completely dislocated via kimura by maybe Sakuraba or somebody and he was completely cool with it, like he dislocates his elbows on a regular basis, he wasn't even close to tapping but the ref stopped it because it looked freaky. I want to see Hughes face somebody with punching power since his standup isn't that great, of course he'll probably just take them down.

voight, I like how when I go to Kreese you go from the get em a bodybag guy to Sexual Chocolate, Cobra Kai will never die.
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I just saw the Hughes vs. Gracie fight the other night. And just like I expected Matt Hughes completely dominated Royce.

I believe Hughes is in line to defend his WW Championship against Georges St. Pierre in September or October.

GSP did really well in his first fight against Hughes until he got caught in a submission. I think Hughes will win again though. He's in a completely different stratusphere since that lose to B.J. Penn.
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Time to resurrect this thread as we have a big two weeks of events coming up. June 24 (tomorrow) is the finale of the Ultimate Fighter 3 on Spike TV. Before the card, they are running an all-day marathon of the show.
-Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout
-Keith Jardine vs. Wilson Gouveia
-TUF Light-Heavyweight Finals: Michael Bisping vs. Josh Haynes
-TUF Middleweight Finals: Ed Herman vs. Kendall Grove
-Matt Hamill vs. Jesse Forbes
-Kalib Starnes vs. Danny Abaddi
-Rory Singer vs. Ross Pointon
-Solomon Hutcherson vs. Luigi Fioravanti
-Mike Nickels vs. Wes Combs

On June 28, we have Ultimate Fight Night with a pretty decent card:
-Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans
-Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne
-Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick
-Jason Lambert vs. Branden Lee Hinkle
-Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago
-Kristian Rothaermel vs. Rob MacDonald

Silva-Leben will be a big fight. Former MW champ Dave Menne is back, as is Jorge Gurgel, who was a pretty good LW before moving up in weight for TUF 2.

On July 1 (2nd in the US) is the second round of Pride's Open Weight Grand Prix:
Second Round Tournament Match-Ups
-Mirko Cro Cop vs. Hidehiko Yoshida
-Wanderlei Silva vs. Kazuyuki Fujita
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Fabricio Werdum
-Josh Barnett vs. Mark Hunt

Non-Tournament Match-Ups
-Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
-Vitor Belfort vs. Yoshiki Takahashi
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Alistair Overeem
-Yoshihiro Nakao vs. Lee Eun Su
-Pawel Nastula vs. Edson Drago

And a week later is UFC 61:
-Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski
-Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock
-Joe Stevenson vs. Yves Edwards (at 155 pounds)
-Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison
-Josh Neer vs. Josh Burkman
-Drew Fickett vs. Kurt Pellegrino
-Gilbert Aldana vs. Cheick Kongo
-Hermes Franca vs. Roger Huerta
-Jeff Monson vs. Anthony Perosh
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UFC 61 is a must see, as the urge to see Ortiz pound the shit out of Shamrock has been killing me since the Ultimate Fighter 3 came on.
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The WFA also had a decent card coming out which includes Rampage Jackson on July 22nd. I may go to that one but unsure at this time considering the price of tickets. Course finding it on PPV is a pain in the butt as well.
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Don't forget, Ultimate Fight Night tonight on Spike.
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Here's the fight card with my predictions:

Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben - Silva by TKO (cut) in Round 2. His elbows are deadlier than Loiseau's.

Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans - Bonnar by submission in Round 3. Expect it to be a boring fight

Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet - Goulet by Unanimous Decision

Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne - Koscheck by Unanimous Decision

Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves - Fitch by submission in Round 1.

Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick - Gurgel by submission Round 2

Jason Lambert vs. Branden Lee Hinkle - Lamber by KO Round 1

Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago - Levens by Unanimous Decision

Kristian Rothaermel vs. Rob MacDonald - Rob MacDonald by TKO in Round 1

Tomorrow we can laugh at how wrong I was. But seriously, Bonnar-Evans is going to be one boring fight.
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Wow, Chris got the shit beat out of him. He finally found someone's fists that his jaw didn't like. Silva was freakin' vicious. That last knee should've gone through Leben's head.

And the Bonnar/Evans fight wasn't that boring, but I can't believe the much taller Bonnar got flattened as many times as he did by Rashad.

Boo on the Gurgel decision. That guy he fought didn't do anything but run away from Jorge. He had what, 4 good shots in all 3 rounds? That was a boring fight to me.

EDIT: Holy cow, what a bomb by Cummo to start the 2nd round. Luke looked too winded to finish him off, though.
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HAHAHAH...that what you freakin get for making one of the most ignorant and stupid ass comments of all time with saying that Chris was going to beat Silva and he should go back to Japan where the talent is a little less fierce. That was SUH-WEET! Man I love it when the big mouths get rocked like they should.
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Leben got smoked. Silva has some of the best striking skills of anyone in the business. With Leben's recent win streak, it was kind of easy to forget that this is a guy who went 0-2 on TUF Season 1, losing to two guys who have dropped down to the 170 (Koscheck) and 155 (Florian) weight classes. Leben got a reputation for having an iron chin, but had never really been hit that squarely on the button. He usually would absorb shots with his head and keep coming. Silva tagged him straight on the chin over and over. It's Leben's fault for coming in flat-footed with his arms out wide. Speaking of Silva, I hope we seen Silva-Marquardt in September, with the winner getting a shot at Franklin in November. Either way, Franklin will get a good challenge when he's all healed up.

Rashad is boring. He's a skilled wrestler, but his ground and pound sucks and he doesn't even try for submissions. He needs to get with a decent team pretty quickly to learn the skills he needs to actually finish a fight. As for Bonnar, after a Forrest rematch, he'll slip quietly into the IFL, WFA, Strikeforce, or some other up-and-coming organization for a while till he racks up some wins.

Okay. Pop quiz, hotshot. Your stand-up skills are average, but you are one of the most skilled BJJ experts in your weight class. You are fighting a good kickboxer who likes to knock people out, but has lost 3 fights by submission. What do you do, Jorge Gurgel? What do you do? Stand and trade the whole fight without trying to take it to the ground? Good strategy. How did that work for you?

We haven't gotten to see any of his 3 UFC fights, but the future of the 170 lb division may be Jon Fitch. He's on a 10 fight win streak dating back two years. In that time he has beaten UFC vets Thiego Alves, Josh Burkman, and Shonie Carter. He gave Brock Larson his only loss in his UFC debut. His only two losses are to Mike Pyle (who we will likely see in the UFC or Pride soon) in Fitch's first fight and Wilson Gouveia, a 205 pounder who almost beat Keith Jardine the other night.
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It sure was nice to see Anderson Silva make an absolute joke out of a douchebag like Chris Leben. If they fought 1000 times Silva would win 1000 times. Welcome to the big leagues Leben you fucking idiot.
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Bisping looks to be a beast, he killed that Haynes guy. Killed.

And Silva made putty out of Chris Leben. I like Leben, but I fear he's just a little to slow to be a serious contender to the throne (Rich Franklin).

I think Arlovski and Ortiz will come out of Saturday with victories.

All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.
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All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.

That's for sure...
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Originally Posted by sin-eater

Bisping looks to be a beast, he killed that Haynes guy. Killed.

And Silva made putty out of Chris Leben. I like Leben, but I fear he's just a little to slow to be a serious contender to the throne (Rich Franklin).

I think Arlovski and Ortiz will come out of Saturday with victories.

All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.

Agree 100%. Arlovski should be in pretty good shape for this fight mentally. If he wasn't overconfident coming into the last fight, he sure got that way when he dropped Sylvia mid-way through the first round. After the knockdown, he stopped moving sideways and came right at Sylvia, which is the dumbest thing you cand do against a flat-footed fighter like Sylvia. Arlovski will be a lot more cautious this time. He'll keep moving throughout the fight, using his quickness to land shots. I'll honestly be surprised if this one ends in the first round.

And Ortiz should pound on Shamrock till the ref saves him. I've never liked Ken or Tito, but Tito's definitely started to grow on me after TUF Season 3. The only real question for the fight will be how Tito's injured knee holds up. The only way I see Ken winning is if Tito blows out his knee in the fight.

And don't forget that the second round of Pride's Open Weight Tournament is happening tomorrow. Silva-Fujita should be a slugfest.
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The only thing I have to say on this topic is that the most famous athlete I've ever met in person is Andy Hug. Seemed really laidback.
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Gurgel is an idiot. Can't recall the last time he didn't go toe-to-toe with a striker. It was nice to see Leben get destroyed and I'm stoked the lightweights are back. Those are some of the best fights.
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Silva vs. Fujita should be interesting.

Wanderlei likes to chop people down with strikes, but I don't know if he can knock out Fujita, I think he'd be well served to take him down.
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.

The problem with the final round matchups is that Cro Cop has already faced all three of these guys. But he faced and beat Barnett twice in the last year or so. I'm thinking we'll see Barnett vs. Nogueira and Cro Cop v. Silva. Either way, it's going to be a good event. I think they would want to save the Cro Cop-Nogueira rematch for the finals. They are the #2 and #3 HWs in the world.

And Cro Cop fought Silva to a draw four years ago (although the consensus was that Silva won the fight). That would be an exciting fight. The best HW striker against the best MW striker. In reality, the two would probably come in at about the same weight. Cro Cop is a small HW and Silva won't have to cut. Barnett is one of the solid grapplers who Nogueira hasn't fought. That would be a decent match, as well.
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.

The problem with the final round matchups is that Cro Cop has already faced all three of these guys. But he faced and beat Barnett twice in the last year or so. I'm thinking we'll see Barnett vs. Nogueira and Cro Cop v. Silva. Either way, it's going to be a good event. I think they would want to save the Cro Cop-Nogueira rematch for the finals. They are the #2 and #3 HWs in the world.

And Cro Cop fought Silva to a draw four years ago (although the consensus was that Silva won the fight). That would be an exciting fight. The best HW striker against the best MW striker. In reality, the two would probably come in at about the same weight. Cro Cop is a small HW and Silva won't have to cut. Barnett is one of the solid grapplers who Nogueira hasn't fought. That would be a decent match, as well.
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I agree, Nog v Barnett would be an awesome sub contest while Crocop v Silva an awesome stand up. Is Fedor involved in this thing at all?
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

He put a hurting on the guy, but when he knocked him down for the ref stoppage, Fujita stood back up and was like, "What? You stopped the fight?" And believe or not, I saw it on YouTube. Someone got it up there in a hurry. Just search for "Silva". I found it by accident.
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The torrent has already hit the net...
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Is Fedor involved in this thing at all?

No Fedor. They only had 7 opening round matchups with the plan of giving Fedor a first round bye due to a hand injury that's been bothering him for a few years. Fedor needed another surgery in May or June and wasn't healed up in time to fight in the second round. So, they gave his slot to Wanderlei Silva, who held out of the first round due to a contract dispute. Fedor will probably be fighting next in October at Pride's first US show in Las Vegas. No word on who he'll be fighting yet.

And YouTube is great about two days after a Pride event. You can see all the Grand Prix fights there now. By the end of the week, the videos will probably be removed.
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UFC 61 is tomorrow night. Arlovski-Sylvia 3 is the main event, with Ortiz-Shamrock 2 as the third fight of the night.

Here is the card with my predictions:

Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski - Arlovski by TKO in Rd. 2. Arlovski will be a lot more cautious here and will take his time to set up his shots. Arlovski will use his quickness and eventually drop Sylvia like he did in their two previous fights. Hopefully, this time Arlovski will actually finish Sylvia on the ground.

Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock - Ortiz by TKO Rd. 2. Expect brutal ground-and-pound. Only an injury to Tito (how bad is his knee?) or a stupid mistake will give Ken much of a chance here. Once Tito takes care of business here, he is next in line for a shot at the LHW belt.

Joe Stevenson vs. Yves Edwards - Stevenson by Unanimous Decision. Edwards is a seasoned fighter, but Stevenson is a big, aggressive LW. And Stevenson has been perfecting his wrestling and ground-and-pound with Tito and the boys at Team Punishment.

Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison - Mir by submission in Rd. 1. Mir looked bad in his last fight, but a lot of credit for that goes to his opponent, Cruz. Christison is a good fighter, but his sub defense isn't nearly good enough to survive Mir's excellent and aggressive submissions. It might take Mir a little time to shake of the ring rust, which could be a bad thing for Mir. Christison doesn't quit and if it goes beyond the second round, Mir's poor cardio could doom him to a decision loss.

Josh Neer vs. Josh Burkman - Burkman by TKO Rd. 1. This fight should be pure aggression from the start. Burkman wants to redeem himself after his loss to Fitch and Neer is looking to beat his third straight TUF alum. Neer has a tendancy to get in trouble early in his fights, but never gives up. Joe Stevenson had a tight knee bar on Neer, but Neer gutted it out, escaped and won the fight. If Burkman catches him, he will hurt Neer.

Drew Fickett vs. Kurt Pellegrino - Fickett by submission in Rd. 2.
Gilbert Aldana vs. Cheick Kongo - Aldana by TKO in Rd. 1
Hermes Franca vs. Joe Jordan - Franca by submission in Rd. 3.
Jeff Monson vs. Anthony Perosh - Monson by unanimous decision.
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Nice calls. My only change would be Ortiz winning by unanimous descision. After rewatcing their first matchup last night, I think it will take Shamrock having a heart attack for Tito to get a TKO. Instead, Shamrock is going to do nothing but defend against an Ortiz onslaught, tying him up with the patented Shamrock "clinch for dear life" inactivity. Tito won't take a single shot, and Shamrock will delusionaly think he got robbed despite an obvious descision for Ortiz.

Let's hope I'm wrong, and Tito bloodies his face so bad, he won't see for a week.
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You're probably right on Ortiz-Shamrock. I'm just thinking of Shamrock's last two fights. He got knocked out by Franklin (no shame there) and by Sakuraba. He can be stopped. Of course Tito might not have the skills to stop him. The guy couldn't finish a gassed Vitor Belfort or Patrick Cote who is a natural 185 pounder. He pounded the hell out of Forrest in the first round, but couldn't close it out. I just think that Ken is going to get caught in a bad position going for a sub, allowing Tito to rain down elbows till the ref steps in. Or, it could turn out to be 15 minutes of rough cuddling.
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I can't wait to fire up youtube this weekend to see exactly how bad Shamrock gets his ass kicked.

Silva is quite a consolation for Fedor being out. I'd say my favorite three fighters to watch are Fedor, Silva, and Crocop.
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Well, overall, it was a ho-hum card to me. The Shamrock-Ortiz fight was disappointing in the fact that the ref stopped it so quick. Granted, Shamrock was getting pummelled by elbows, but it seemed like he was OK. Tito immediately said he's ready to take on Ken again (and it almost happened right after the fight was over, as Shamrock was ready to punch someone, anyone).

Arlovski-Silvia was a bit boring. 5 rounds of kickboxing, essentially. Arlovski definitely doesn't have a weak chin, as he took some brutal shots from Silvia and kept coming. But what he did best in the first round--short kicks to Silvia's knee--he stopped doing the rest of the fight. Silvia's knee was all red from Arlovski's kicks, but Arlovski never followed it up, and really never tried to take him down more than 1 or 2 times during the fight. It was hard to stay awake for the whole 5 rounds to be honest, as it was 1 AM when it was all over.

Burkman essentially dominated Neer. Neer kept motioning "bring it on" after Burkman would pelt him with combos, but Neer never did anything in response.

Mir defeated Christison in a unanimous decision. It could've gone either way, and Mir was freakin' gassed at the end. Couture seemed to cut his post-fight interview with him short because Mir could barely breath when he was answering questions.

The one "highlight"--the guy that fought Joe Stevenson got cut majorly on the head and friggin' bled EVERYWHERE in one corner of the octagon. It was nasty. His head looked like someone had taken a chisel and banged it one good time into his skull. He held out to the end of the round, then the doctors stopped it between rounds. My mom happened to be over, and she had to leave the room because of how bloody a mess it was.

Oh, and Dana White announced Wanderlei Silva vs. Chuck Liddell at UFC 63 (if Liddell retains his title at UFC 62 in August). Should be a great fight.
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I would've liked to see Tito put about 20 more elbows on Shamrock. Now Shamrock has something to bitch about as though he wouldn't have continued to get his ass kicked again. I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded. I am extremely glad to hear about Liddel vs. Wanderlei, I've been eagerly waiting for that.

Anyone know when the next round of Pride GP is? That should be a great one.
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I would've liked to see Tito put about 20 more elbows on Shamrock. Now Shamrock has something to bitch about as though he wouldn't have continued to get his ass kicked again. I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded. I am extremely glad to hear about Liddel vs. Wanderlei, I've been eagerly waiting for that.

Anyone know when the next round of Pride GP is? That should be a great one.
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Thanks for the write-up Martianman. And how do you like my new avatar?

I am absolutely disgusted with Frank Mir. He had 5 months to get in shape for this fight. Instead, he comes in 20-25 pounds above his usual fighting weight. All the weight was in his gut. Instead of talking about the fight, my friends and I took turns making fun of Mir's weight:
- The guy looks like he spent all of his time training at Krispey Kreme.
- Didn't Mir come in second in the hot dog eating contest last Tuesday?
- Is that a tattoo on his stomach or a stretch mark?
- He makes Sylvia look like he's in shape.
- Maybe we should all chip in and buy Frank a treadmill.

That decision he got was an absolute gift from the judges. A lot of times in 3 round MMA fights, the judges will split the first two rounds if neither fighter dominates the other. That way, the third round can decide it. That's probably what happened here. I thought Christison won the first two rounds, but barely. Mir clearly won the third. Mir has an insane amount of talent, but no work ethic. He was so gassed so quickly that any decent heavyweight with a killer instinct would have put him away in the first round.

Ortiz-Shamrock was as anticlimactic as I thought it would be. Was it stopped early? Maybe. But what the hell was Ken going to do from there besides take 20 more elbows and get knocked out? Ortiz-Shamrock 3? No thanks.

Sylvia and Arlovski did not come to fight. Arlovski was aggressive at first, then inexplicably backed off. Why didn't he keep up the leg kicks after the first round? Sylvia's leg was hurting three minutes into the fight. By the end of the second, Sylvia wouldn't have been able to stand. But Sylvia was happy just to sit back, jab, and counter when Arlovski came in. By the third round, it was clear neither one of these guys had any intention of trying to finish the fight.

Burkman-Neer was the war I thought it would be, as was Stevenson-Edwards. Thanks to Sylvia and Arlovski doing their best impression of Severn-Shamrock 2, we didn't get to see any of the four prelim fights, all of which ended with submissions or KOs. Pretty lackluster event. The highlight for me was the announcement of Liddell-Silva in November. I still have chills.
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I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded.

That's the thing--McCarthy didn't ref the fight, the black guy with the long dreads did. And even Tito had mentioned in the pre-fight "chatter" about "McCarthy is going to have to pull me off Shamrock..." So I thought it was strange that guy was the ref and not McCarthy, as McCarthy did almost every other fight the whole night.

And jvc, love the new avatar. I saw it the other day and started laughing. OLAF!
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Just wanted you guys to see what Frank Mir has become. Frank last night compared to a shot from about 3 years ago:



And this is what was on his mind last night:



I really like Frank. He's got the potential to dominate the heavyweight division. He just needs to decide whether or not he is serious about his career. With Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Vera, Silva, Kongo, and other HWs who train their asses off, Mir can't coast by on talent alone. More time at the gym, less time at the Circus Circus Buffet.
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