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The Best of BOND; Let's get this over with
I think someone chimed in not too long ago with a negative take. Bewildering.
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I guess I could understand if it's a matter of just not being into Moore's Bond at all.
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I'm not the biggest fan of Moore's 007 (which makes it strange that I like so many of his) but The Spy Who Loved Me is one of the top 5 Bond films. It's just awesomely made and so much fun. HUGE FX work that holds up well even now. I enjoy all of Moore's later 007 films (except Moonraker) because 80s/action/nostalgia. But I'd never argue that they're great films. Especially A View to a Kill. But The Spy Who Loved Me is just a great fucking film. Period. Up there with Dr No, From Russia With Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, The Living Daylights, Goldeneye and Casino Royale..
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The only negative of The Spy Who Loved Me is Stromberg. He was a weak villain.
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*bzzzzzzzZzzzzZZZZ* *Ruby Rhod*

I can't believe that Stromberg could be seen as dull after the villainous dry-fecta in DAF. They all sucked to varying degrees..
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Stromberg has webbed hands, tho. That's pretty dope.
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he may be the single least threatening Bond villain. At least a wimp like Greene could give Bond a fight.
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Paul's words cut like daggers.
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He didn't get a chance to fight! He was chowing on something with some Tabasco sauce when Bond shot him in the dick!

Plus he had sharks!
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(03-24-2019, 04:49 PM)Paul755 Wrote: he may be the single least threatening Bond villain. 

Auntie Blofeld begs to differ.

   
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Charles Grey Blofeld > Stromberg

Mainly just because Blofeld had more presence. I don't find either menacing, but I at least find the former more entertaining and with some good Mankiewicz dialogue. I think all Stromberg did was sit at a dinner table and press buttons.

(03-24-2019, 01:17 AM)bradito Wrote: But it's boring. Seriously. It's not even a good absurd Bond movie.

That's how I feel about THE SPY WHO LOVED ME.

I'm more fond of MOONRAKER because: Better villain and more lunacy.
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Yes there are better Bond movies than Moonraker. There are even better Moore Bond movies: TSWLM, FYEO, and LALD. That said you will pry my copy of Moonraker from my cold dead hands!

 And now for something completely different. It suddenly occurred to me today that its a shame Jim Steinman never wrote a Bond theme. I think he could have written something wildly dramatic.
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How can anyone find Charles Gray's Blofeld more intimidating than Stromberg? He may have had more presence in his movie but it all sucked. Starts the movie by getting a turd bath. Then has goofy henchman who are just the worst, most ineffective, couple of dumb asses who straight up suck at henchmanning. Blofeld does nothing the whole film. His most memorable aspect is how poorly filmed and edited his last scene is....to the point that it's hard to understand what's even supposed to have happened to him.

Stromberg is ice cold. He kills somebody in his first scene. He has two effective henchman. A psycho grand plan. A BADASS lair. A ship that eats submarines. Webbed hands. A memorable death..
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Full disclosure: I like "Diamonds Are Forever." It's also in my opinion better than "Moonraker." I mean, for real, "Moonraker" is a sleeping pill, guys. I saw it on the big screen with "Spy Who Loved Me" and the step down in quality was striking.
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I don't like Diamonds are Forever.

But I'll agree with you that it's better than Moonraker. By a pube.

Cause at least it's got Plenty!

...and about that striking step down in quality. I liken them to Batman Forever* to Batman & Robin. They're both basically the same movie just with a few details changed. But holy hell what happened in the two years between them.



*I'm not saying that I think Batman Forever is within a thousand miles of being as good as The Spy Who Loved Me. It's just an equivalency thing..
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Plenty O'Toole and Tiffany Case are a couple of my fave Bond girls, which gives DAF the advantage for me.
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Plenty O'Wood.

She's right up there with my favorites too..
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DAF is a mixed bag for me.

PROS
Connery is good
The elevator fight.
The car chase in Vegas
Bambi and Thumper.
Jimmy Dean is fun
"I didn't know there was a pool down there."

Cons
Lackluster finale
Gray isn't threating. He is actually more threatening in The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
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(03-25-2019, 12:14 AM)bradito Wrote: Stocks is my enemy.

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(03-25-2019, 12:25 AM)fraid uh noman Wrote: How can anyone find Charles Gray's Blofeld more intimidating than Stromberg? He may have had more presence in his movie but it all sucked. Starts the movie by getting a turd bath. Then has goofy henchman who are just the worst, most ineffective, couple of dumb asses who straight up suck at henchmanning. Blofeld does nothing the whole film. His most memorable aspect is how poorly filmed and edited his last scene is....to the point that it's hard to understand what's even supposed to have happened to him.

Stromberg is ice cold. He kills somebody in his first scene. He has two effective henchman. A psycho grand plan. A BADASS lair. A ship that eats submarines. Webbed hands. A memorable death..

Like I said, I just find Charles Gray more entertaining. He's not intimidating, but I don't find Stromberg either.

And Wint & Kidd > Jaws

I just love their macabre humor, like this bit.



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Mankiewicz's dialogue throughout goes a long way towards keeping DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER afloat.
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(03-25-2019, 01:44 AM)Belloq87 Wrote: Mankiewicz's dialogue throughout goes a long way towards keeping DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER afloat.

Had the climax not been such a mess, I might have had the movie ranked higher. It's really the only thing about the film that brings it down.
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Jill St. John fires a machine gun while wearing a bikini during the climax, tho.
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(03-25-2019, 03:12 PM)bradito Wrote: Jill St. John fires a machine gun while wearing a bikini during the climax, tho.

She's got spunk.


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I love Tiffany Case throughout the movie, but her suddenly losing her brain in the climax was bizarre.
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Tiffany Case in the third act is like a completely different character from the one in the rest of the movie.
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A night in the sack with James Bond, being abducted by a cross-dressing master criminal, and being forced to sunbathe on an oil rig under the lecherous gaze of sex-starved chainhands would be enough to knock any of us off our stride.
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Diamonds are Forever is still a skanky movie. Every 70s Bond film up till Spy Who Loved Me was kinda skanky (not meaning the women....just the way the movies feel)..
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That's what I like about them, the '70s sleaze.
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