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John Carpenter's The Thing
#36
I don't know how many damn threads there have been about this movie, but I never really tire of it so...
Carpenter is one of my all time favorite filmmakers, and this film is without a doubt his masterpiece. It contains the one scene that I, as a grown man, still refuse to sit through to this day: "spider-head". I've watched The Thing a thousand times, and I always skip that scene, it just crawls all over me in the worst way. I can't say that about any other horror film.
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#37
Special effects monsters dont affect me at all in this day and age, and sure age has alot to do with that but there is something about the effects monsters in older films that still freaks me out, The Thing obviously being one of those monsters that never fails to make me feel icky.

I guess CGI has alot to do with it, but there's something else too that I cant quite touch upon, maybe its the fact that I'm aware I'm watching a film from years back but the effects are so good, so seamless, that its alarming at how they managed to create it, thus making it even more terrifying? Like there's this little voice in the back of my head saying "Dude, there's no way they could do this shit back in '82, what if its actually real and the film crew were sacrificed by Carpenter to make the most awesome movie ever, HUH!? Look behind you quick!"
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#38
I recall Ebert's tepid review. Idiot. He actually bitched about the gross-out effects. Pussy.

Love this flick. I'm an animal lover and I know Carpenter is too, so the scene with the dog morphing and squirting that sick shit on the other dogs is soo damn creepy and uncomfortable. I love and hate that scene just because you don't know what the fuck is going on and those poor dogs look truly terrified, but I know they weren't hurt so it's cool. Love more than sex.
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#39
Here's a question though Zod, can you have sex with that dog scene playing on a TV in the background? Huh!?

The Thing Litmus Test ™
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#40
Yes I could.

Can you watch a porno movie while eating dinner?
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#41
Does ice cream count?
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#42
I saw this all the way back when it first hit VHS and it scared the shitcock out of me. I have always had a very fond appreciation for it, and that line about not wanting to spend the rest of my life tied to that fucking couch still resonates with me to this day.

I borrowed my dad's copy of it on DVD a little while back, and my wife really dug the fuck out of it. She couldn't believe that it was by the same guy responsible for the gooch-kick that was Escape from LA.

After reading the love it has gotten over the last few days on this thread, I think I am going to head to Best Buy and grab the collectors ed.
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#43
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Originally Posted by Christopher Read

that line about not wanting to spend the rest of my life tied to that fucking couch

That scene (the blood test) is my favorite of the whole movie, and it encapsules what I love so much about this movie. This movie is easily my favorite horror movie of all time, and one of my favorite movies of all time also. The ensemble cast is what propells this move. The paranoia, not even knowing if you have already been replaced. A true classic.

This is a movie that seems ripe to be remade. Not that I want it remade, but it just seems like with the current situation in the world, now would be the time to remake it.

Oh, also I believe Chillds was a thing at the end, and Macready was not.
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#44
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Originally Posted by Saint G

This is a movie that seems ripe to be remade. Not that I want it remade, but it just seems like with the current situation in the world, now would be the time to remake it.

IIRC, wasn't the Sci-Fi channel planning a TV show based on the original story that became The Thing some time ago? I haven't heard about that project since it was first announced.
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#45
I'd only seen snippets of this on tv over the years, and finally decided to sit through the whole thing a few weeks ago (kinda weird that this thread popped up a few days later.) I was pretty impressed with the film, and its ability to completely unsettle the shit out of me. I was vaguely aware of a few creature effects, namely the head crab, but the stuff i hadn't seen really caught me by surprise, both by how effective they were and how well they held up. The dog scene in particular made me squirm, enhanced by the fact that the thingdog looks quite a bit like my dog (well, before its face split open, at least.)
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#46
I would imagine that even in the current remake-heavy envronment, a remake of a remake is still looked on skeptically.

I always assumed that Childs was not a Thing at the end, since he didn't attack Macready. He was armed and Macready wasn't, right?
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#47
He was not armed, but even if he was it would not have mattered. His goal would have been to 'become' Macready. It does not want to kill you if it can transform you instead. But I also believe that if you were the thing, you would not know it. So on one level Childs would just be Childs and actually believe the lame excuse he gives. With the thing sitting in the background.
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#48
Still gets my vote for best Horror movie ever. The atmosphere is unreal.
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#49
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Originally Posted by cognizant

Does ice cream count?

No.
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#50
I quite liked it, but have to admit that I wasn't as blown away as most people here. The effects were nice, but the tension was a little let down by what, to me, was a reasonably predictable structure and the fact that too few of the actors aside from Russell seemed quite distinctive enough to make me care about them as characters.
I have to admit that, on the whole, I'd opt for Alien over it as monster-in-confided-metal-maze-away-from-civilisation type films go.
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#51
Just tell me where I can purchase one of those hats Kurt wore and I'm happy.
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#52
This is one of those movies I loved as a kid and it still gets my respect. So many classic moments are etched in my brain forever.

And while some Alien comparisons are apt, but I think the way the monster can be anyone is a stroke of genius.
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#53
One of my favorite moments in the film was when the 'spider head' walked across the room, and the guy says. "you've got to be fucking kidding me." audience went nuts. That was classic.
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#54
The comics were actually pretty damn good. They also took place right after the film but unlike the game, the plot and chraacterizations made a lot more sense.

In other Thing related news, this gives me a really bad feeling:

http://www.fangoria.com/news_article.php?id=2650
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#55
The Clooney idea could have been interesting, but a prequel is not needed.
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#56
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Originally Posted by Saint G

He was not armed, but even if he was it would not have mattered. His goal would have been to 'become' Macready. It does not want to kill you if it can transform you instead. But I also believe that if you were the thing, you would not know it. So on one level Childs would just be Childs and actually believe the lame excuse he gives. With the thing sitting in the background.

Did other people get this idea too? Cause I definitely didn't.
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#57
I've always seen the end of the film the same way as Saint G.
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#58
Huh. I just don't see it. It would have been an interesting idea to throw in there. Just have a character wonder aloud whether you would know it when you were infected or something. But as the movie stands, there's no indication that that is the case.
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#59
Well, on the commentary tracks Carpenter and Russel discuss this concept. Also I beleive there is evidence in the movie to support the idea that you might not know you where hte thing. Such as when Norris has a heart attack. Norris gives all the indications of actually suffering through the attack, then passes out. If he had no shread of himself left, why would he go through that ? It indicates that on one level Norris is himself, and the thing is a separate entity.

During the blood test scene (an awesome scene by the way), Palmer lets himself be tied up (yeah I know he had a weapon pointed at him) and waits until the thing is outed before he begins the transformation. Why wait ?

The thing inhabits lifeforms that are completely differnt from itself, with different goals, ideas, etc. It hides in them. It needs them to act like themselves for the hidding to be effective. The humans run around and talk, if the thing controlled them completely it would become obvious much sooner (the thing only revealed itself when it had to).

All in all, I think it would let them run around doing their normal behavior, only exerting control when its survival was at stake, or when it had a chance to take over another.
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#60
I am a die hard Carpenter fan and The Thing is hands down my favorite movie of all time. And it always will be. In my own opinion, it is flawless and there aren't many horror films that can equal its greatness. I watch it at least once a month, if not more often than that. John Carpenter may not be making films as great as he did in the 70s and 80s these days, but when he does they are still solid works. Even if he tried though, I don't think he could ever craft another masterpiece as great as this. It's just one of those films where the planets happened to be in alignment and everything just came together like it should. Such a thing is an extreme rarity in the industry. Enough masturbatory comments though. As for the possible prequel, I posted my thoughts on that over in the thread for it. I just hope that if it happens, it has a lot of quality, creativity, and talent poured into it from all aspects of its production.
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#61
My first viewing of this was at a screening with a question and answer with Carpenter before. The print was shit--all the blues came out reds--but seeing it on the big screen was great. Still one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, and taking the subway home that night was definitely nerve-wracking.

I own the DVD, but I haven't watched it since. That's how scary it was.
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#62
Yeah I do not think Carpenter could reproduce this movie. Mainly because the actors did a great job with their characters. They made each character have a 'real' feeling personality, and they did not have much to work with (since the script avoided giving them cliche type personalities). I guess it does help if your big star is willing to share the story (and the screen) with the other actors, and not be the complete focus.
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#63
John Carpenter is my favorite director. They showed They Live the other day in HD on cinemax. i'm not for remakes usually, but if there is a movie that I think could really be a bad ass remake, its They Live. Other than that, they should leave his movies alone. The Fog remake was devastating. God that was awful. Assault on Precinct 13 was ok for a remake, but nothing can capture that little girl getting blown away in the original. That was so sweet.
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#64
They Live could not be remade today because it was commenting on a specific political belief system that has passed. A remake would never be able to re-capture that. What ever happened to homage or taking stories and putting them into other genres?
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#65
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Originally Posted by RathBandu

My first viewing of this was at a screening with a question and answer with Carpenter before. The print was shit--all the blues came out reds--but seeing it on the big screen was great. Still one of the scariest movies I've ever seen, and taking the subway home that night was definitely nerve-wracking.

I own the DVD, but I haven't watched it since. That's how scary it was.

Thing comes out on HD tuesday I think, the reviews are raving about it.
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#66
Can't give more praise to a horror flick than this one. Easily tied for my fave horror with Alien & Shining. Rob Bottin, we need you back in the saddle!

Chucking dynamite at Wilford-Brimley-monster with an adament ""Yeah, and fuck you too!" is the perfect climax to a perfect flick.
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#67
I love The Thing, it was one of those movies of my youth that turned me into a life-long horror fan while simultaneously scaring the shit out of me. It was one of the first discs I bought when I made the switch to DVD.

I wish that I could wax poetical about this movie a bit, but today has been hellish and I have a few beers that need attending to.
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#68
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Originally Posted by General Zod

They Live could not be remade today because it was commenting on a specific political belief system that has passed. A remake would never be able to re-capture that. What ever happened to homage or taking stories and putting them into other genres?

yeah, I guess I forgot we were living in a society free of subliminal messages and constant advertising. A world where the most important thing isn't marketing and consumer products. I'm so glad there are no parallels from They Live to be made in today's wonderful paradise where those in charge uphold our civil rights and let us keep to ourselves while allowing us to make choices based not on what we're told, but on information which comes from a variety of unbiased sources and a completly transparent government.
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#69
I saw The Thing in 1982, and maybe I'm slow, but I still see flourishes and shots that I hadn't noticed before. During MacReady's speech about "I know I'm human, and if you were all these things you'd just attack me, so some of you are still human...", the camera pans across the men, and it's a nice bit of misdirection by Carpenter in that all the faces you see ARE human. The Things all have their faces hidden by ski masks and mufflers, almost to the point that you can't tell who they are, so you start wondering about the faces you can see - all the wrong people. Never caught that before.
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#70
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Originally Posted by Kevin VanNatter

yeah, I guess I forgot we were living in a society free of subliminal messages and constant advertising. A world where the most important thing isn't marketing and consumer products. I'm so glad there are no parallels from They Live to be made in today's wonderful paradise where those in charge uphold our civil rights and let us keep to ourselves while allowing us to make choices based not on what we're told, but on information which comes from a variety of unbiased sources and a completly transparent government.

While al that is true, and I think that a remake or such can be made out of They Live, its the greed of its era that he is referring to. The greed is good, sell your soul for success that defined that era. Again while all that is present today, it basically defined those years.
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