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The School Shooting Thread

The most relevant part of this, that nobody is allowed to talk about because of HIPAA I guess, is that almost every single one of these guys is on SSRIs when they go rampage.

We're not allowed to study gun violence because of Congress and we're not allowed to study SSRI's impact here because of pharmaceutical lobbying. Between NRA and Pharma its going to take one hell of an effort to slice that gordian knot. But if you were able to maneuver around those two obstacles, actually addressing the issue would probably be relatively straightforward.


I'd love to read more about that, Zhukov, if you have a link.

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I wish I could link you something relevant, but its not really possible. There's a bunch of hackery around the topic, that is drowned out by counter-hackery that makes the argument that "violence in these populations is extremely rare!" Well, yes, of course its extremely rare. That's not really the point.

We know, through various peripheral information, that the Columbine shooters, Holmes and Dylan Roof were on SSRIs at the time of their attacks. The Virginia Tech shooter and the guy who hated women certainly fit the profile. I think Paddock and the Pulse shooter are interesting cases, but there's no information either way there.

If you go looking for this, you will find an overabundance of quackery arguing a specific interpretation of it, and you will find an overabundance of counter-quackery saying 'no, that totally doesn't matter.' When the underlying issue is, yes this does seem to be a consistent characteristic shared by these people, and no saying 'studies don't show people on SSRIs are any more violent' simply does not resolve the problem of these being severe outlier cases.

I've had close friends who work in relevant fields in the health care industry tell me that, yes, this is a known thing but nobody can really talk about it. You can't share patient data, and you have two extremely powerful lobbies making sure that is locked down as much as possible. Which is why the fact that these people are on SSRIs almost always gets leaked out incidentally, and never followed up on.


Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post


I think there are genetic conditions that can make you more predisposed to violence, sure. That's proven. But I also think that, particularly as the Gladwell piece points out, there are a number of societal factors that can exacerbate that predisposition, and just because someone is predisposed doesn't mean that they'll ever commit a violent act. In this case, the kid planned it out and thought about it and was caught planning it, so that's a much bigger deal.

I'm certainly not trying to suggest that anyone is hard-wired genetically to shoot up schools.   But taking your prior statement at face value:


Originally Posted by Boone Daniels View Post

To a real extent, this is like asking if the guys who grew up as white nationalists can be rehabilitated. School shooters, even potential ones, are the result of societal pressures and their own psyches and adolescent anger. I'm not excusing it, but it's not like there's a gene that makes someone more prone to shoot up a school.

Yes, it is like that.  If only because "more prone" is the most minimal standard possible.

APrincipal called yesterday to say that an unloaded BB gun was found in a child’s backpack at our daughters’ elementary school. Also, the county is paying to put a deputy in every school in the district. What a fun time to have wee ones in school.


Kids at a Los Angeles school went to authorities when it was thought a 14-year-old boy might shoot up the school.  He was arrested, and found a loaded handgun and ammunition easily accessible to him:
No one was hurt, but a resource officer accidentally fired his weapon inside a middle school in Virginia:
Around 30 students were suspended at a Long Island, New York high school for taking part in the walk out.  A PTA meeting on the same day had a parent wield a knife in front of a student.  He was "gently escorted" from the building:

Quote:A viral video making its way across the ether has many on social media wondering about the priorities of a high school that suspended multiple students who took part in the National Student Walk Out.

Highlighted by Jo Herman, a student who attends Rocky Point High School in Long Island, New York, the controversial video shows an adult man intensely arguing with a teenager during a PTA meeting on Wednesday afternoon.

At one point, the adult removes a knife from his pocket, and brandishes it, challenging the student, “What are you gonna do now? What are you gonna do now?”

The student appears visibly shaken and steps back in response to the apparent threat before darting off-camera. None of the adults move to do anything, but a few audience members begin to yell for the man to “stop.” A student shouts, “that’s illegal!”

Eventually the man was escorted from the school grounds.

Herman, a 17-year-old senior at Rocky Point, originally posted the video on Twitter with the caption:

I protested peacefully this morning and got suspended. A man threatened a kid with a knife at a PTA meeting and got gently escorted from the school. Show me the logic.
Looks like Cruz's school, including Deputy Coward, had recommended he be forcibly committed for a mental evaluation back in 2016:

If this had actually happened it would have been nearly impossible for him to clear his record and legally buy the guns used in the shooting.
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Adam Lanza and James Holmes were also mentally unstable, with similar concerns, and they were able to get their guns just fine.
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Three wounded in a Maryland school shooting this morning (3/20/18):

No word on if the shooter's been apprehended or IDed.
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This is in my area, and it's all on the local news. Two students wounded, one school officer wounded the shooter. Wounded in hospital. Parents coming to pick up their kids and being interviewed by local news crews are PISSED!

and we're supposed to experience a BLIZZARD tonite with barely a mention.

UPDATE- shooter died in hospital.
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It's depressing to think I'm surprised that "only" two kids were wounded and no one but the perp died.

What/who stopped the shooter?
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Not satire:

Quote:A Pennsylvania school district has armed its students with rocks to defend themselves in the event of a school shooting.

David Helsel, the superintendent of Blue Mountain School District in Schuylkill County, said at a state House Education Committee hearing on school safety this week that his district’s classrooms are equipped with 5-gallon buckets of river rocks.

"If an armed intruder attempts to gain entrance to any of our classrooms, they will face a classroom full of students armed with rocks,” he said. “And they will be stoned.” 

Helsel emphasized to BuzzFeed News that the so-called go buckets are a “last-resort” effort in the district’s active school shooter defense plan, which also includes automatic door-securing technology and lock-in and lockdown procedures.

Helsel said the buckets have been in classrooms for two years. Media outlets picked up the story this week after he spoke about the plan at the hearing. He said he thinks news outlets have taken the plan “out of context to make it look silly.”
Is it a free for all, or do kids who are on the honor roll and have never had detention get to cast the first stones?
Last week's reports that the Maryland high school shooter was killed by a resource officer weren't true.  The shooter killed himself, while the officer shot him in the hand:

Quote:Austin Wyatt Rollins, the 17-year-old who opened fire on classmates at Great Mills High School in Southern Maryland last week, injuring one and killing another, died from shooting himself in the head, officials investigating the case said Monday.

According to details released by the St. Mary’s County sheriff’s office, Rollins parked his car at 7:50 a.m. and walked through the school’s main entrance two minutes later.

At 7:57 a.m., he approached classmate Jaelynn Willey, 16, and shot her once in the head with his father’s Glock 9-millimeter pistol. That bullet also struck 14-year-old Desmond Barnes in the leg.

After firing the handgun, Rollins kept walking through the school, where he was confronted by school resource officer Deputy First Class Blaine Gaskill just after 8 a.m. Their weapons went off simultaneously 31 seconds later, with Rollins shooting himself in the head and Gaskill shooting Rollins in the hand, officials said.
Someone at Red State somehow came to the conclusion that David Hogg wasn't at school the day of the Parkland massacre before realizing some actual journalism would've been important:
This is remarkably powerful:
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A student in Pennsylvania was arrested after threatening to shoot up a school.  Over 1,600 rounds of ammunition and a semiautomatic firearm were found:

Quote:Over 1,600 rounds of ammunition and a semiautomatic firearm were found after a student was arrested for threatening to shoot up a Pennsylvania school, officials said Monday. 

An Tso Sun, an exchange student from Taiwan, was arrested last week and charged with terrorist threats with the intent to terrorize another, according to Upper Darby Police. 

Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood said Sun bought the parts for the firearm online and “put it together” himself. 

“It was a weapon capable of firing,” Chitwood said. 

Among the recovered ammunition were 225 rounds of 12-gauge shotgun ammunition; 663 rounds of 9mm ammunition; 295 rounds of AR-15 ammunition; and 425 rounds of AK-47 ammunition, according to Chitwood. 

On the day of his arrest, Sun’s host mother, who has not yet been identified, allegedly packed up the ammunition and the weapon, and gave them to another person, Chitwood said. 

“She went back to the house and loads all the ammo and the gun into a black bag. She then takes that to another person at another location,” Chitwood said, “She didn’t give it to the police.” 

Investigators recovered the objects last Thursday after receiving a tip. Chitwood did not say where they found them. 
The host mother has not been charged. 
The Illinois State House passed a plan to establish a grant program for schools who hire mental health professionals to help curb the school shooting epidemic:

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