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More "neither" than "both", but yeah.
I have to confess I'm not at all clear at the difference, if any, between non-binary and gederqueer.
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****nevermind what I wrote is wrong.

The two terms appear to be synonyms.
(12-03-2020, 02:35 PM)Amos Wrote: ****nevermind what I wrote is wrong.

The two terms appear to be synonyms.

Not quite:

Quote:The term genderqueer is similar to nonbinary, but has a slightly different meaning. The dictionary defines genderqueer as the following: "denoting or relating to a person who does not subscribe to conventional gender distinctions but identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders."

Nonbinary and genderqueer are often used interchangeably by some, but not everyone considers them the same thing. Others consider the term genderqueer as an umbrella term to cover an identity that isn't cisgender. It's important to understand that gender identity is relative to each individual and how they identify.

Additionally, some people consider the term genderqueer to be a politically charged identity. "To me, 'genderqueer' represents a queering of gender, so to speak. It's a deliberate playing with gender in a very political sense, and being provocative around gender norms to highlight the gender stereotypes of our culture," said Laura A. Jacobs, an LGBTQ+ psychotherapist in an interview with VICE.

Entire article:

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Genderqueer's an older, in-house term that predates clinicians seriously talking about non-binary people. A lot of us still use it because it sounds more punk rock.

The separate evolution of underground, clinical, and modern democratized social media vocabularies has a lot to do with the enormous amount of language surrounding LGBT people.

(12-03-2020, 01:39 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: I hope I worded all that in a way that wasn't insulting or disrespectful. I'm a rural, straight, male from the deep south. These societal changes don't have the same sort of osmosis effect in extremely rural areas the way they seem to do in large urban centers. Especially if you're not on social media..

You did totally fine, and I'm sorry for not seeing your post earlier.

I'll use myself as an example.  I've decided not to pursue surgery, which I can't afford, and after researching the side affects I'm not going to do hormone replacement therapy, even though my VA health care would cover that.  That still doesn't make me a cisgender man.

"Social transitioning" is an option, and a common one, where the individual still adopts methods of expressing their identity such as wardrobe, cosmetics, voice lessons, electrolysis, legal name changes, etc.  That's the road I appear to be on.  And there are compromises to be made there; I'll keep my bone density and avoid having added risks of depression to a mental health situation that I already have to manage, but since I'm not changing my body chemistry I'll still produce male pheromones instead of female and my sweat will smell like man sweat instead of girl sweat.  You play the hand you're dealt.

It might be worth noting that there's a distinction to be drawn between trans people who socially transition and cross dressers, who are straight people that have a fetish, and drag queens, who perform professionally and who may or may not even be any form of LGBT when they're off stage.

I'm making it all sound a bit clinical possibly, but it's because I like to make sure I'm communicating clearly to give a good faith answer.  Good faith questions are always welcome.

Trans Twitter can also be an interesting resource and I've sure learned a lot talking to others about their direct first person experiences, but to be honest we mostly talk about Star Trek there.
Thanks Reasor. You've always been one of the great ones. I wsnt sure what processes you were undertaking but...the gist of it is, I should refer to you as she/her now? 

I could've sworn you were undergoing a physical transition. If that's what you feel is right for you, I hope you get to do it. Whatever you feel is right for you...good luck and future happiness in all of it..

(12-09-2020, 07:04 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: Thanks Reasor. You've always been one of the great ones ...

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Reasor R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn ...

(12-09-2020, 07:04 PM)fraid uh noman Wrote: Thanks Reasor. You've always been one of the great ones. I wsnt sure what processes you were undertaking but...the gist of it is, I should refer to you as she/her now? 

I could've sworn you were undergoing a physical transition. If that's what you feel is right for you, I hope you get to do it. Whatever you feel is right for you...good luck and future happiness in all of it..

Aww, thanks!

Physical transition was part of the early draft of the plan, but I've done a bit of homework on it since before deciding that HRT would be more risky than I want.

I'm non-binary enough to have taken a hard left toward not worrying about pronouns. I'm not out at work and it's nice to minimize the amount of navigating between different worlds.  When I was in boy mode, folks always saw the femininity in me, and when I'm all dolled up folks see the masculinity.  Any pronouns are fine in my case.

I appreciate you asking.  For a lot of trans people, feelings of dysphoria are something they get really hurt over.  Some people put much more concern on passing for their identified gender than others.  Being verbally misgendered by others can trigger some pretty severe episodes of depression and self-doubt.  If someone offers the pronouns they go by, it's more than polite to use them.  I'm embarrassingly bad at remembering, so I've adapted by just referring to people by name more often.
Here's the story of Luna Guzmán, a Guatemalan asylum seeker and transgender woman who escaped violence and trafficking only to be detained, abused, assaulted, deported, detained again, and left in Mexico by the Trump administration's grievous policies:
Rachel Levine is Joe Biden's assistant secretary of health:

Quote:President-elect Joe Biden has tapped Pennsylvania Health Secretary Rachel Levine to be his assistant secretary of health, leaving her poised to become the first openly transgender federal official to be confirmed by the U.S. Senate.

A pediatrician and former Pennsylvania physician general, Levine was appointed to her current post by Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf in 2017, making her one of the few transgender people serving in elected or appointed positions nationwide. She won past confirmation by the Republican-majority Pennsylvania Senate and has emerged as the public face of the state's response to the coronavirus pandemic.

“Dr. Rachel Levine will bring the steady leadership and essential expertise we need to get people through this pandemic — no matter their zip code, race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability — and meet the public health needs of our country in this critical moment and beyond," Biden said in a statement. "She is a historic and deeply qualified choice to help lead our administration’s health efforts.”
Blanket apologies are the norm:

Quote:A Pennsylvania legislator shared on Facebook an image mocking the appearance of the state’s recently departed health secretary, Dr. Rachel Levine, a transgender woman who has been nominated to serve in the Biden administration, and then offered a general apology Saturday.

State Rep. Jeff Pyle, a Republican from Armstrong and Indiana counties in western Pennsylvania, said on Facebook that he “had no idea" the post mocking Levine “would be ... received as poorly as it was" but that “tens of thousands of heated emails assured me it was."

“I owe an apology and I offer it humbly," Pyle said, not specifically apologizing to Levine or other transgender people, but later repeating an apology “to all affected."

Levine has not commented. The state health department did not immediately respond to an email seeking a reaction to Pyle's initial post or his apology.
This week is going to be brutal in terms of votes on trans lives in state legislatures.  There are a lot of attacks at once:
Montana update:

Quote:The Montana House has passed two bills, impacting the rights of transgender youth in the state. As The Daily Beast has previously reported, if ultimately passed into law HB 112 would prevent interscholastic athletes from participating in athletic activities consistent with their gender identity, while HB 113 would enshrine an effective ban on physical and mental health care for trans youth, including banning the use of puberty blockers, while punishing and fining doctors who treat young trans people. HB 112 and HB 113 face a third vote in the House before moving to the state Senate, and are mirrored in content and tone by a raft of anti-trans bills in other states, which are being tracked by the ACLU.

In a statement, Sam Brinton, VP of Advocacy and Government Affairs at The Trevor Project, said, “On the same day that President Biden has moved our country forward by reversing the transgender military ban, Montana lawmakers are trying to take us a step back. Implementing these policies would be incredibly harmful to the mental health and well-being of transgender and nonbinary youth in Montana, who deserve to live their lives with dignity and respect.”
They hire some real winners over at Newsmax:

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The only sex change guys like that care about is if the hooker he's with can't break a $20..

Interesting read on the LGBTQ community of the U.S. South, and how connections are found through social media:
Georgia considering “a panel of three physicians” to evaluate girls’ genitals for school sports:

Quote:A new bill being considered in Georgia’s legislature would create “a panel of three physicians” to examine the “reproductive organs” and “genetic makeup” of girls  in an effort to ban transgender girls from participating in school sports.

A proposed bill introduced in the Georgia House of Representatives earlier this month called for banning transgender girls from participating in sports. Critics and legal experts believed the proposal would be found as illegal if introduced into law, just like a similarly-written law in Idaho from last year, which is currently blocked by a federal injunction.

So another proposal was introduced this week by other state legislators that went even further. House Bill 372 would redefine gender as “a person’s biological sex at birth” in state law, require state-funded schools and associations to ban participants they deem not “biologically” male or female from sports, and calls for a panel to examine information about the genitalia or chromosomes of any participant who petitions otherwise.

State Rep. Philip Singleton ® introduced House Bill 276 on February 3. It would have made the state the seventeenth in the nation to consider a bill that would ban transgender girls and women from competing in school sports as their gender.

Singleton’s proposal is still in committee, but it was lampooned by LGBTQ advocates and legal experts weren’t sure it would withstand in court. The Georgia School Boards Association’s director of policy Angela Palm wrote in an email to committee members that it would go against Title IX federal discrimination law, in addition to President Joe Biden’s executive order against LGBTQ discrimination.
Arkansas too:

Quote:Arkansas: Republicans want to amend the STATE CONSTITUTION to ban trans people from sports AND require that any girl in sports who is questioned on her gender be subjected to an internal & external examination of their reproductive anatomy, hormone & chromosome tests.
That's rough:

Quote:Robert Castillo fought for years to get an LGBTQ-friendly affordable housing complex built in Logan Square, the neighborhood where he grew up and built a life with his late husband, John Pennycuff.

Castillo wanted to create a place where LGTBQ people could prosper and avoid the adversities he and Pennycuff faced as young activists in the city.

Castillo said he was so proud when the project was greenlit and named the John Pennycuff Memorial Apartments at Robert Castillo Plaza. But now Castillo, whose name graces banners and marketing materials for the complex, is being denied an apartment in the building.

The developer said Castillo doesn’t meet the building’s employment requirement, a move that has left Castillo “disappointed and disheartened.”

“I’m not saying I should be automatically given an apartment or a preference, but the irony isn’t lost on me that I’m not living in a place named after my husband and a plaza named after me,” he said.


Castillo said moving into the building wasn’t always his plan, but it’s something that’s always been in the “back of [his] mind” as he advocated for its construction.

“I didn’t want to give the appearance that I’m pushing for a building only because I want to live in it,” he said.

But being in between jobs is why Castillo has not been approved for an apartment in the building. The developer requires all of its tenants to show proof of income because the complex was built with federal tax credits. Castillo said he has some money saved up and is looking for a job, but that’s not enough for the developer.
This was touched upon in the Trump thread, but here's a different article:

Quote:Jessica Watkins, an Oath Keeper charged with conspiring to storm the US Capitol, has asked to be released from jail pending trial, alleging that she has been “treated harshly” and is at “particular risk in custody” because she is transgender. She also argues she is no threat to the public and went to the Capitol only because “she believed that the president of the United States was calling upon her.”

Watkins, 38, a former Army ranger who served in Afghanistan, was “forced out of the military after her sexual orientation was discovered,” her attorney wrote in a motion for home detention filed late Saturday. In the petition, Watkins alleged that while in a county jail in Ohio, she was stripped naked and left “in a cell with lights on 24 hours a day for 4 days in full view of everyone.” According to the attorney, that was a response to a hunger strike Watkins went on in a failed attempt to get medical attention for an injury to her arm.

Watkins has been held in at least two facilities since her arrest, including the Montgomery County Jail in Dayton, Ohio. A spokesperson for the county Sheriff’s Office, which administers the jail, said she could not provide immediate comment. It was not clear Saturday night where Watkins was currently being held.

Watkins, who operates a bar called the Jolly Roger in Woodstock, Ohio, turned herself in and was arrested Jan. 17. She is facing some of the most serious charges to come out of the Jan. 6 insurrection.

Heard about that case last year and I'm glad that Biden's DOJ has withdrawn from it. Oh and she's being represented by a hardline anti-trans evangelical group because of course she is.
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I wonder how scholarships are being handled on this issue.

Is the current state of affairs that you can check the box of your new gender (probably under penalty of perjury) and qualify?

**I legitimately have no idea.

Yeah I imagine this is going to be conservatives new “gay marriage” position. Of course the issue here is that they’re purposely mixing transgendered with cross dressing and conveniently forgetting that to go in transition is to change the makeup of your body.
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So how is it working with scholarships? I'm sure someone out here already knows. I am legitimately curious.

I honestly know nothing about college scholarships, or whether any states are moving to block scholarships at state colleges, or what.

Notably missing from coverage of the Equality Act fight in nearly every out I've checked is quotes from any actual transgender people. The conservatives fighting against passage of the act with a lot of slander sure are getting all the ink they could possibly want, though. I'm very tired.
I miss Doug Jones:

Quote:Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) rebuked a Republican senator's amendment to the COVID-19 relief bill that would deny federal funding to states that allow transgender girls to participate in girls' sports.

"Republicans need to stop obsessing over other people's gender identity [because] frankly it's very weird and they're doing a lot of harm to children who are just trying to be themselves," Ocasio-Cortez posted in a Tweet on Friday.

The progressive congresswomen's post was in direct response to an amendment to the budget reconciliation bill introduced by Republican Senator Roger Marshall of Kansas and Republican Senator Tommy Tuberville of Alabama. The so-called 'Tuberville amendment' would strip "states, local educational agencies, and institutions of higher education that permit any student whose biological sex is male to participate in an athletic program or activity designed for women or girls."
Alabama, last week:

Quote:Under a new law, transgender youth in Alabama could not be treated with puberty-blockers, hormone therapy or surgery. The state Senate voted to make the treatment a felony on Tuesday. 

Senators voted 23-4 to approve the measure, dubbed the Vulnerable Child Compassion and Protection Act, sponsored by Republican Senator Shay Shelnutt. The bill now heads to the state House of Representatives, which has already approved a companion bill. 

The two bills would make it a felony for medical professionals to treat transgender minors under the age of 19 with gender-affirming care. Violators could face up to 10 years in prison or a $15,000 fine. 

Quote:The Vatican said on Monday that priests could not bless same-sex unions, calling any such blessing “not licit.”

The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican’s doctrinal watchdog, issued the judgment in response to questions raised by some pastors and parishes that sought to be more welcoming and inclusive of gay couples.

In an explicatory note signed by the prefect of the Congregation, Cardinal Luis F. Ladaria, the congregation said that Pope Francis had “given his consent to the decision.”

The ruling said that the church should be welcoming toward gay people, but not their unions. Catholic teaching holds that marriage between a man and woman is part of God’s plan, and since gay unions are not intended to be part of that plan, they cannot be blessed by the church.
Video at the link:

Quote:MUST WATCH: Brandon Boulware, the father of a transgender daughter, testifies during a hearing asking Missouri lawmakers to stop discriminating against trans youth.
Elliot Page has spoken to Time:

Quote:In a new Time cover story, the Juno star revealed that he “felt like a boy” since an early age, but had to make a compromise when he started acting at 10-years-old, scoring the role of a little girl in the TV movie Pit Pony. “Of course I had to look a certain way,” he said.

When asked about his decision to come out as transgender in December, Page said, “What I was anticipating was a lot of support and love and a massive amount of hatred and transphobia. That’s essentially what happened.”

Page, however, felt it was important to share his truth as “extremely influential people are spreading these myths and damaging rhetoric—every day you’re seeing our existence debated.” He added, “Transgender people are so very real.”

The Covid-19 pandemic also played a part in Page’s decision to reveal his gender identity. “I had a lot of time on my own to really focus on things that I think, in so many ways, unconsciously, I was avoiding,” he said, adding that “shame and discomfort” also led to his revelation. “I was finally able to embrace being transgender, and letting myself fully become who I am.”
"I wish people would understand that, although we’re kids, we’re still human and we’re still able to talk for ourselves"

Quote:Corey Hyman, a 15-year-old boy from St Charles, Missouri, waited years to access the medical treatments that he said saved his life.

Corey said he had long known that he was a boy and came out to his mother as trans at age 12. She researched clinics that supported children like him, and after dozens of sessions with therapists and doctors over two years, Corey was approved to start taking testosterone hormones.

"I was being my true self and actually presenting as a male, and it just made me feel so much better,” said Corey, who previously struggled with severe psychological distress, including self-harm and suicidal thoughts. “Everyone told me that they could see me getting happier.”

The number of kids receiving gender-affirming care in the US is limited. Jules Gill-Peterson, professor of gender, sexuality and women’s studies at the University of Pittsburgh, said that access to the treatment is extremely restricted, given that there are few clinics that do this work and that families often need significant time and money to advocate for and get treatment.

“We’re facing the proposition of banning forms of healthcare that almost no trans kids even have access to,” she said. She noted that at a clinic in Pittsburgh, some families drive from five hours away to get care. “We’re talking about healthcare that at the moment is generally accessible only to upper-middle-class families.”

Some families wait months to get an appointment, said Dr Jack Turban, a child psychiatry fellow at Stanford.
Tucker Carlson's been going pretty crazy about this:

Quote:One of the big MAGA heroes of the COVID-19 era was South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, who for many months more or less ignored the pandemic. Then, when her state’s caseload rose catastrophically after the Sturgis biker rally she avidly promoted, Noem kept arguing that COVID-19 didn’t justify business closures or mandatory public health steps like mask-wearing and social distancing.

But then Noem suddenly stumbled in her path along the far-right side of the political highway. After saying she was “excited” to sign a bill banning the participation of transgender girls and women in female sports leagues — a favorite right-wing cause this year — she changed her mind, issuing a “style and form” veto that allowed her to rewrite the legislation to exclude college sports and change some of the enforcement provisions. She was immediately accused of caving to pressure from the NCAA, which opposes such bans under its inclusion policies, and Amazon, which has its own LGBTQ policies and had a major new facility planned for South Dakota. As Washington Post columnist Henry Olsen noted, it then got worse for Noem:

Her attempts at damage control have thus far not worked. Noem announced her own effort to defend women’s sports at a news conference on Monday. She also appeared on Tucker Carlson’s Fox News program Monday night and faced withering questioning from the populist host. Neither effort seems to have turned her image around, and her statement that the original bill she vetoed would have only established a “participation trophy,” as she argued it would only get caught up in court, is sure to inflame those she has already angered.

At this point Noem is flailing around and trying to change the subject to a broader defense of women’s sports as MAGA-world pundits pillory her as a sell-out. Being generally transphobic is no longer enough. Her communications director (the excellently named Ian Fury) is lashing out at the governor’s critics with a tortured, defensive effort to identify with right-wing culture warriors even as he accuses them of hypocrisy, as the Washington Examiner reports:
Tucker Carlson will continue to be very upset:

Quote:South Dakota’s bill barring transgender girls from playing in girl’s sports is dead. 

Gov. Noem demanded changes; #sdleg rejected them; while the House was debating whether to pass the bill over Noem’s objections, the Senate adjourned for the year.

The SD Senate, by my reading of reporters’ tweets, didn’t have the votes for a 2/3 majority to override Noem’s veto anyway, unless some senators switched their votes to support the bill.
A bill banning health insurance and treatment for transgender youth has passed through both houses of Arkansas' state legislature and is on its way to the Governor's desk for signature.

The ACLU has its lawsuit ready to file. The bill would create a legal precedent for ethnic and social cleansing on any marginalized group in the country, which is exactly why transgender people were targeted when the war over gay marriage came to an end. The religious right is counting on the public's discomfort with us to let them unleash hell.

My hopes are high. The Supreme Court already handed down their ruling last year, when Trump tried to enable the same discrimination via executive order. The verdict then wasn't that the President doesn't have standing or jurisdiction, it was that existing federal civil rights laws against discrimination based on sex already apply to transgender people in an obvious and intuitive way. The religious right has already lost, and at this point is reduced to passing doomed bills so that they have another defeat to scare the rubes with when it's fundraising time, but the rhetoric could lead to a lot of harm and despair in the meanwhile. I'll be putting my morale officer hat on and talking some young people down off the ledge on Twitter tonight.

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