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Wrestling Discussion Thread (WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, etc.)
They’ll hire a tv showrunner to take over the booking.
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since NBC would just want this for tv, would they get rid of house shows? Only do the TV tapings
AIt's just tits and dragons. - Ian McShane on Game of Thones
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Haven't watched All Out yet, but I'm excited to. Which is more than I can say for any WWE program since that hot streak of NXT Takeovers ended. I want, I NEED to see All Out more than the last 5+ Wrestlemanias.
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AEW is the angry punk rock band and WWE is the corporate rock band touring with Budweiser logos on their trucks. They're both going to do well, one because it's actually great and the other because it has the monolithic inertia of being a brand name behind it.
Just this guy, you know?
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Apparently Punk and Darby took a lot of inspiration for their match last night from the classic 1994 RAW match between Bret Hart and 1-2-3 Kid. As one of the only Sean Waltman marks with the courage to admit it in public, this makes me very happy.
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(09-06-2021, 10:49 AM)Anjin Wrote: Apparently Punk and Darby took a lot of inspiration for their match last night from the classic 1994 RAW match between Bret Hart and 1-2-3 Kid.  As one of the only Sean Waltman marks with the courage to admit it in public, this makes me very happy.

That's a great match! I think even now Waltman is still vastly underrated as an incredibly talented junior heavyweight because of the X-Pac character. Of course it doesn't hurt when you're wrestling Bret Hart either! 

I don't know if I've shared this before but I stumbled across this gem of an early Waltman match awhile back and it's well worth your time to check out:



Originally Posted by ImmortanNick 

Saw Batman v Superman.
Now I know what it's like to see Nickelback in concert.

That's my review.
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Minoru Susuki, Ruby Rose, Adam Cole, and Bryan Daniel all debuting on the same show was almost too much. Where my Beast Wars, er, my Bray Wyatt at?
Git' in under mah belly!
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Wyatt can't sign for a while due to non compete stuff.
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So I watched All Out. For anyone who gives a shit, here's a few unorganised random thoughts from a non-AEW fan...

* Miro VS Kingston was pretty good. Some of Kingston's offence was a bit pants (those rapid chops in the corner), but the match was worked decently enough. Not sure if I agree with the low blow finish. I wouldn't have had one of my precious few legit monster heels go over that way, but it wasn't an affront to my outdated sensibilities.

* Moxley VS Kojima was what you'd expect from a Kojima match in 2021. I recall Mox can be great when fully motivated, but I haven't watched enough AEW in the past year to tell you if this is what a fully motivated Mox looks like these days? Pretty by the numbers, but this was really all just a prelude to the real story after the match result - and what a difference a smark crowd can make when introducing someone, eh? Suzuki is all that's great about pro wrestling and that appearance was fantastic stuff. Good work, crowd.

* Baker VS Statlander just never got into high gear because for all Statlander's upside, she's just way too sloppy and inconsistent. I'm not as 100% sold on Baker as so many are, but her character work has DEFINITELY come a long-ass way since I last tuned in. She needs more quality opponents at the top end of the roster, though. More on that later...

* Bucks VS Lucha Bros had me interested from the Bros' entrance. The live music and their entrance gear/headdresses were top-tier stuff and actually made me forget that I generally don't like them. I saw some people (you know who) calling this one of the greatest tag matches in US wrestling history, and I have to openly admit that didn't help as I went with my arms folded and a "we'll see about that!" attitude. Look, I hate the Bucks. I get it. I get what they're going for, and I guess if that's what you like, they do it very very well. But their whole thing just isn't for me and I can't get into it. Matt, in particular, is fucking awful. At least Nick is smooth with his shit and nails it well regardless of what I think about it. But for all that... I didn't HATE the match. Not as a whole, anyway. There were large, large portions of it I sure hated (the whole superkick exchange spot - ugh), but for the most part it wasn't a bad match. Was certainly the right match for this crowd, so credit where it's due in that regard.

* As convoluted and over-gimmicked as the Casino Battle Royal match is, I have to say it's a fun way of going about a match that's almost uniformly a piss break. Their women's roster really is a mixed bag, huh? More than a few complete wastes of space (Bunny, Penelope, Big Swole etc), some promising talent (Conti, Hogan), some serious talent (Shida, Rosa,) and some curios I really don't know what to make of (Nyla is so inconsistent I can't form an opinion of her, Cargill looks like a million dollars but is clearly nowhere near ready to get between those ropes, let alone be on national TV as an in-ring talent, at least). Soho was a great "surprise" - she looks fantastic, she takes her time with the stuff that will get her over (other girls take note - Ruby's time in WWE focusing on being an on-air performer is what you ALL need to be picking her brains over), and she's exactly what you need in the women's locker room to get the less experienced girls headed in the right direction by listening and learning. She's a quality Get for the roster that isn't being acknowledged enough due to being overshadowed by debuts on the night (a bit more on that later, too).

* Jericho VS MJF. Yeah, you got your win back that you didn't need to get. Especially if you're just gonna fuck off and go on tour now. Can this program please be REALLY over now, and can we finally get MJF our from under the bloated rock that is Jericho so he can try and get SOME of his heat back since he's effectively going to have to start from scratch? This feud has done NOTHING for MJF in the slightest except for take all his heat. This is Jericho seeing who was getting the attention in AEW's first 6 months and then leeching off him to stay relevant. This sucked. The whole feud sucked. Please let that be the end of it. However, I will admit - they nailed that false finish. Crowd ate that shit up. Just a shame what came directly after it.

* Punk VS Allin was MOTN and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out why I thought so. Star power aside, This was just a smooth match with two legit talents. Allin is the smallest guy on the roster but has the most lethal suicide dive as well. He lays his shit in like he MEANS it - it never looks like he's just performing the motion because that's Move X on his way to Moves Y and Z. Everything has purpose and urgency. This is the match that I wanted to see because I want guys like Punk to go in that locker room and take guys like Darby and show them how they can get bigger reactions without having to kill themselves. Not to sound condescending, but teaching them the most important part of pro wrestling - HOW TO WORK. Anyone can perform the moves (except Jack Evans). Executing that 32-hit super combo is nice, but it isn't necessarily working. With more seasoned guys with experience from all over the world coming into that locker room, I'm legitimately excited to see what their influence ends up being. It might be in direct conflict with what AEW fans actually want to see, I don't know. But come on, everything about this match was great (especially the length, or lack of it!) and I don't know if there'd be anything wrong with a show full of matches with this level of quality.

* Paul Wight VS QT Marshall was a match that was on this show.

* Omega VS Christian was okay. I dunno. I'm not a fan of Omega, I highly doubt I ever will be. No one ever actually thought Christian was winning here, so it just felt like I was sitting through 20 minutes of foregone conclusion. I think the further we get from those 7-star (or whatever the fuck they were) Tokyo Dome matches, the more obvious it becomes that it wasn't ALL due to Omega being some kind of Super Wrestler, because he's never come even remotely close to anything like them since. Or has he and I missed it? Like the Bucks, it's just not for me and that's fine. It doesn't matter. But this was all just set-up for the after-match as well, and although no one in their right mind would ever complain about Cole and Danielson making their debuts, I can't help but feel this moment was a little bit over-stuffed and it kinda robbed Cole of some star power. He comes out, gets a HUGE reaction and looks like a big star right off the bat but inside of 3 minutes he gets completely punted out of the spotlight (and stays out) when the crowd completely lost their shit for Danielson. It reminded me of that old Rollins bit about the difference in crowd reactions when he opened for Ozzy. If AEW's goal was to wash Chicago's streets clean of their sins with a torrent of wrestling fan cum, they certainly succeeded, I'll give them that, but yeah - felt a bit sorry for Cole. Of course, going forward it's not going to matter at all and they're both going to do just fine, so it's nitpicking to be fair.

Yeah, pretty good show. I'm interested in seeing where the product goes from here, because with these additions alone, we had a PPV that didn't feature Janella, that handful of very so-so tag teams and other people that I just couldn't justify spending PPV money on seeing. So that's already a step in the right direction for my money. Stay tuned, I guess.
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I was at Raw tonight since it took place in my home town. Crowd got super hot during the final tag match.
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ALL OUT was easily the best North American wrestling PPV of the year and has firmly established AEW as the company for fans of professional wrestling and not "sports entertainment". What an incredibly fun show that hit the ground running and didn't let up.

That cage match was fucking nuts.

Oh and on RAW they had *checks notes* who cares? The WWE certainly doesn't!
Originally Posted by ImmortanNick 

Saw Batman v Superman.
Now I know what it's like to see Nickelback in concert.

That's my review.
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Bryan Daniel's AEW theme;



Git' in under mah belly!
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MLW looks like they're planning to do some interesting shit in the near future.



-"You're not going insane - you're going sane in a crazy world!"
-The Tick
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Kevin Owens contract is up sometime around January, and yesterday he posted and quickly deleted a tweet that contained the coordinates of Mount Rushmore. Also, The Young Bucks Twitter bio lists their location as "Here", and KO recently updated his to read "Almost There"

It's possible they're trolling us, but I kind of doubt it. Fingers crossed!
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HHH underwent heart surgery last week following a “cardiac event”. He’s expected to make a full recovery.
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Trying to catch up with storylines before I see AEW Grand Slam live, so I just got to the All Out PPV.

Maybe I'm showing my green here, but man that Young Bucks/Lucha Bros fight was a fucking knockout.  Really enjoyed the storytelling, how it got increasingly brutal, and the Lucha Bros winning it literally made me scream.
"God moves in mysterious ways," they said. Maybe he is on your side, the way it all worked out. Remembering other Christmases, wishing for something, something important, something special. And this is it, baby boy Frankie Bono. You're alone now. All alone. The scream is dead. There's no pain. You're home again, back in the cold, black silence
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It was a fantastic match. Try not to listen to what Jim cornette has to say about it.
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Jesus, Cornette lives rent-free in people's heads, I swear.
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Awwww. Blocked. Too bad!
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And yet, replying to a general comment that wasn't specifically about you. Stop being so fucking precious.

Anjin, you remember when we were talking about how it's silly for one side to claim the other is full of toxic assholes?
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[Image: mjf-smug.gif]
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Yeah, Corny loves that guy, I know. Wink
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NOT that he lost to Jericho! I haven't listened to that video yet but I can infer. I dunno. I was fine with it. MJF is still three to one. He cut a hot shit promo tonight and got all his heat back.

(Shrugs)
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Thought I was blocked? I was more than happy with that arrangement. Can we go back to that? No need to Jericho this out past it's expiry date.
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Nope sorry. Blocking on here has never worked for me anyways we have to talk now.

If we're anything like most of my forum relationships we'll be besties in about 12 months, give it time.
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If we must. But can you at least refrain from flying off the handle every time someone sees something differently to you? It makes you look, I dunno . . . like, intolerant, cranky, out of touch ya know? It's like even if you have perfectly valid points to make, acting that way probably hurts your position more than helps it? I dunno, I wish there was something or someone I could compare it to so you'd get where I'm coming from...
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You just described Jim Cornette!  OH NO!

What have I become!  Now that I've betrayed!

OMG!  I liked to loved almost all of All Out, but that Jericho entrance WOOF.  That sure didn't work.
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Well, I don't want to up the volatility factor here.... but my name was invoked, so I feel obligated to at least say something.  That something is:  My feelings on Jim are pretty well documented.

If Jim has a take worth commenting on - or ripping apart - it's as fair game as anything he comments on and rips apart.
-"You're not going insane - you're going sane in a crazy world!"
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Well I'll agree with you there. That was haaaaaaaard to listen to. And it sure didn't help the crowd to hit their marks with singing along.

I'll extend an olive branch. I actually went back the other night and re-watched Omega/Cage. It actually wasn't so bad - one of the better non-Japan Omega matches I've seen. Still more than a bag's worth of the stuff I hate, but half of that is just part of his character which isn't designed for me anyway so whatever. Match was actually okay for the most part, but the run-ins and being surrounded by goof/comedy characters is the wrong kind of heat for what he should be getting, for mine anyway. Less flunkies that look like complete losers, a bit more seriousness and LESS relying on saves and run-ins, we'd be headed in the right direction.
The one thing I was 100% offended by? That fucking hair-job. That was fucking atrocious and bush-league. Go watch a kpop video - ANY kpop video! - or even the competition over in WWE and see what a legit superstar's hair should look like. You can't tell me he's not getting paid enough to shell out and invest in a proper stylist. I know that sounds like a weird thing to bitch about, but in the words of Prop Joe: "Dress the part, be the part, motherfucker"
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MJF promo had some attitude era vibes.
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MJF is so fucking fantastic. It's just nice to see yourself represented on screen, ya know?
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(09-09-2021, 12:59 AM)Anjin Wrote: If Jim has a take worth commenting on - or ripping apart - it's as fair game as anything he comments on and rips apart.

And that's fair enough.  All part of having different perspectives.  If someone can argue his points with as much actual counter-perspective and show the thought-process as to why they disagree as he does, it would definitely help build some bridges more than just screaming at each other that they're wrong.  Smile
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If AEW wants to continue this sing-along stuff outside of Daily's Place, they're gonna need to strategically mic the crowd and put lyrics up on the 'tron, karaoke style. Most of these fuckers just don't know the lyrics except for the chorus, and even then couldn't get in sync singing that shit.
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Yeah but... Moon Knight wouldn't do that kumbaya my lord stuff... He'd punch someone in the mouth!
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