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NO TIME TO DIE - post-release thread
(10-12-2021, 11:27 AM)freeman Wrote: Dies sounds cooler, it implies sexier danger and excitement.

Tomorrow never lies sounds like some pretentious art film Oscar bait bullshit.

Of course you’d love it.
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DIES sounds better with or without context
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Two to one. You’re defeated old man!
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NO TIME TO DIE ANOTHER TOMORROW
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NO TIME TO LIVE AND LET DIE ANOTHER DAY
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TOMORROW IS NEVER ENOUGH TIME TO DIE
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NEVER SAY THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH FOR THE SPY WHO LOVED OCTOPUSSY
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(10-12-2021, 11:36 AM)freeman Wrote: Two to one. You’re defeated old man!

Never tell me the odds!
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that’s partly a bond title

it should’ve been

NEVER TELL ME TO DIE

(never tell me the oddjob)
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I also vote for 'Tomorrow Never Dies'.

Yes having 'die' in a Bond title is a cliche at this point, but the name makes sense as a statement. What does "Tomorrow Never Lies" even mean?
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I figure it means that you can say anything about tomorrow and it’ll never be a lie

because it’s all potential as long as it’s ‘tomorrow’

Basically the same reasons that tomorrow never dies
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(10-12-2021, 12:09 PM)Paul C Wrote: I also vote for 'Tomorrow Never Dies'.

Yes having 'die' in a Bond title is a cliche at this point, but the name makes sense as a statement. What does "Tomorrow Never Lies" even mean?

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delicious
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Tomorrow Never Dies is such a good movie.
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Thinking more about my resistance to the ending of this movie, I wonder if some of that comes to down to me being -- unconsciously? subconsciously? -- protective of ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, and feeling like this one (rather explicitly) is encroaching on its territory.

I need to mull that over some more.
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Tomorrow Never Dies has only gotten better as the world has faced a massive surge in yellow journalism.

James Bond destroying Rupert Murdoch will never, ever get old (or die).
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they'll print anything these days!
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TND was a weak, noisy, glitzy *third* remake of YOLT. Pryce and Yeoh were wasted. Arnold keeps blasting the Bond theme to over-course correct for Serra's previous score. Outside of the witty little Schiavelli scene, it was a disappointment after Goldeneye.

Regarding NTTD, I generally liked it a lot, but had trouble warming up to Bond's ultimate romance with Madeline. Seydoux is a fine actress, but Nomi and Paloma were more interesting. The ending was fine, something I rather expected might happen.

CR>SF>NTTD>>Sp>>>QOS
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(10-12-2021, 02:52 PM)Belloq87 Wrote: Thinking more about my resistance to the ending of this movie, I wonder if some of that comes to down to me being -- unconsciously? subconsciously? -- protective of ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE, and feeling like this one (rather explicitly) is encroaching on its territory.

I need to mull that over some more.

Interesting, because IMO I see this as just FURTHER validation for OHMSS. EON has always been proud of it and has tried to tell viewers subtly over the years that it’s their crown jewel of the franchise that deserves recognition. First it was when Moore cut Anya off as she mentions his wife getting killed. Then it’s the grave visit in FYEO. Dalton’s motives for avenging Leiter in LTK is supposed to make you think of him losing Tracy. Then the even bigger signposts in TWINE right down to its very title being a callback. And finally NTTD, which is aiming to be the more emotional Bond entry in the same manner as OHMSS with a sad ending, signaling to fans their intentions with the musical callbacks.

I don’t think they needed the OHMSS music as much, and given how Vesper’s theme is reprised when Bond visits her grave, I wish Zimmer and co had given the same courtesy to Thomas Newman’s theme for Madeleine that could have easily been more fleshed out and expanded. It’s a pity because he’s giving Barry, Arnold and Newman a lot of nods, so the lack of Madeleine’s theme feels like a severe oversight. This was an opportunity for further musical continuity. Oh well.



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I tried watching TND.


Tried.


Not even Michelle Yeoh could keep me interested.
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Once again Michael, we’re seeing eye to eye.

TND was my very first Bond, seeing it on PPV when I was 11 years old. I switched it off after the garage chase to watch something else.
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(10-12-2021, 07:32 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: Interesting, because IMO I see this as just FURTHER validation for OHMSS. EON has always been proud of it and has tried to tell viewers subtly over the years that it’s their crown jewel of the franchise that deserves recognition. First it was when Moore cut Anya off as she mentions his wife getting killed. Then it’s the grave visit in FYEO. Dalton’s motives for avenging Leiter in LTK is supposed to make you think of him losing Tracy. Then the even bigger signposts in TWINE right down to its very title being a callback. And finally NTTD, which is aiming to be the more emotional Bond entry in the same manner as OHMSS with a sad ending, signaling to fans their intentions with the musical callbacks.

I don't think it's so much about validation, although I'm glad it's been fully embraced by EON.
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In some ways NTTD comes off a bit like “award bait” Bond. And honestly Craig is so good, he does have a chance at maybe getting a nod.
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I came away from this thinking it’s his best acting performance in a Bond film.

And you know the Oscars love giving legacy nods. Truthfully, if Phoenix can get awarded for a terrible performance in JOKER, I would think Craig has a shot. But I’m not holding my breath.
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There's absolutely no world in which Craig gets an Oscar nom for this (Skyfall was the moment the series might have crossed over to full-blown major Oscar attention and it just barely didn't happen), but you know what just might happen? He got a BAFTA nom for Casino Royale (the first Bond actor to EVER do it), maybe they'll give him another one for the road. The BAFTAs have fallen over themselves for his Bond films (that nomination, Casino Royale and Skyfall getting Best British Film nods with Skyfall actually winning), and the film is a huge hit and well-received in the UK. I could see them throwing some valedictory noms his way.

Regardless, my biggest takeaway from the film is just how fucking good an actor he is. Just an innately compelling screen presence.
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(10-12-2021, 11:40 PM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: I came away from this thinking it’s his best acting performance in a Bond film.

And you know the Oscars love giving legacy nods. Truthfully, if Phoenix can get awarded for a terrible performance in JOKER, I would think Craig has a shot. But I’m not holding my breath.

Well…Bond does die. So maybe they could give him a nod as sort of a franchise achievement. But no way in hell would he actually win.
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(10-12-2021, 11:31 PM)Paul755 Wrote: In some ways NTTD comes off a bit like “award bait” Bond. And honestly Craig is so good, he does have a chance at maybe getting a nod.

I thought SKYFALL (and kinda sorta SPECTRE) was awardsbait Bond 

what with the Mendes of it all

NO TIME doesn’t feel particularly awardsbaity at all until MAYBE the finale
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I've always liked TND. The motorcycle is just as thrilling as the tank chase in Goldeneye.
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Yeah, the motorcycle chase is great.
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Alright, let’s leave the inexplicable TND love in the Best of Bond thread, even if it has no place of relevance in that thread. We’re supposed to be talking about the better Bond film that is NO TIME TO DIE, or at least anything relevant to Craig’s run. Wink
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TOMORROW NEVER DIES NEVER DIES
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There's zero chance Craig gets a nom for NTTD.

And nooj is correct: SKYFALL is the awardsbait Bond.
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(10-13-2021, 04:11 AM)mr. stockslivevan Wrote: Alright, let’s leave the inexplicable TND love in the Best of Bond thread, even if it has no place of relevance in that thread. We’re supposed to be talking about the better Bond film that is NO TIME TO DIE, or at least anything relevant to Craig’s run. Wink

I dunno…I think I like TND better than NTTD. I mean, really the only negative checkmarks I can think of is that Teri Hatcher was a terrible Bond girl and M telling Bond that he may have to “pump her” for information was an awkward as fuck conversation. 

NTTD has a shittier villain, it’s too long, Lynch-007 is kinda unnecessary and Bond fucking dies.
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Safin may be a muddled villain with an extremely murky plan, but at least his scheme/ideology is theoretically more interesting than "corner the broadcast rights in China for 100 years."
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Bond could have died in TND and that would have been the least of my problems with that film.
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