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Hamilton / Lin-Manuel Miranda
#36

I will miss our talks!

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#37
AA bunch of Broadway actors want me to vote? Man, I was on the fence when it was just the Avengers guys, but if the cast of Hamilton wants me to do it...!
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#38

heheheh I must've missed the Avengers one

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#39
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
 

heheheh I must've missed the Avengers one


Whedon directed it. Everyone promised that if Clinton wins, Mark Ruffalo will do a nude scene in Whedon's next film (much to the comical consternation of Mark Ruffalo).

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#40
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Originally Posted by commodorejohn View Post

Nerds trying to act "street" makes me throw up. That's all I have to say about Hamilton.


This seems like an unfair criticism. I'm not sure what you mean by "nerds trying to act street" - could you clarify?



Hamilton is great. Is it a perfect show? Nah. But as someone who's been a Broadway theater fan for years, even more so recently since I started dating my now-wife (RIP American Psycho the Musical, you were pretty great), it's absolutely thrilling to see a piece of theater cross over like this to the point where the first female nominee of a major party quotes it in her acceptance speech at the convention.

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#41
Aif anything this show just seems to make nerds more chibi
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#42
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post

if anything this show just seems to make nerds more chibi


hamilton is totally tsundere 

i hope i'm using that term right

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#43
A[quote name="Boone Daniels" url="/community/t/155874/hamilton-lin-manuel-miranda#post_4150854"][QUOTE name="commodorejohn" url="/community/t/155874/hamilton-lin-manuel-miranda#post_4141435"]Nerds trying to act "street" makes me throw up. That's all I have to say about Hamilton.[/QUOTE]
This seems like an unfair criticism. I'm not sure what you mean by "nerds trying to act street" - could you clarify?[/quote]
I mean this whole "nerdcore" movement thing of which this show appears to be a part. It makes my teeth grind. It's annoying and forced.
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#44
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I mean this whole "nerdcore" movement thing of which this show appears to be a part. It makes my teeth grind. It's annoying and forced.

That's not at all what the show is. Yes, the show is about United States history/the founding/biography, but it's not at all like Rap Battles of History (which goes for the easy, broad joke more often than not) or Schoolhouse Rock. But unlike Rap Battles, LMM is incredibly gifted at combining pop, rock, folk, Broadway tradition, and hip-hop/rap into a single, cohesive whole. His knowledge bench is deep, and all of it is employed to tell this story about two men and friends who rise and fall together, kind of like Jesus Christ Superstar, Othello, The Man Who Would Be King, or Star War. Furthermore, the story is a direct response to the way we tell stories in America - although one of my biggest issues with the response to Hamilton (rather than Hamilton itself) is the way fans tend to ignore the actual history (i.e., that these  were white slave owning men) - and the way white men are so often at the center of what should and needs to be a universal narrative - something that people of color can see themselves in. Is it perfect? No. I have big, big issues with the way women are portrayed in the story - I like to joke that it's Aaron Sorkin's favorite musical - and the fact it costs so goddamn much to see is a real issue, but that's a Broadway issue, generally. But even if you don't see it - you can get that sense from the widely embraced cast recording.



It's a story about friendship. It's a romance. It's a tragedy. It's an immigrant story. It's all these things at once, and to call it "nerdcore" is, I feel, incredibly dismissive.

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#45
A[quote name="Boone Daniels" url="/community/t/155874/hamilton-lin-manuel-miranda#post_4151061"]It's all these things at once, and to call it "nerdcore" is, I feel, incredibly dismissive.[/quote]
You may feel free to feel that way, sir.
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#46
Aehehehehe

so tsundere
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#47
AUh oh... it's a mash up!

[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/embed/bruTOQoNtO4[/VIDEO]
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#48
Aohhhhh NO...

the parodies I've seen of people doing all sorts of these fan mashups...

makes my skin crawl

I saw one for batman a while back... euuuggghhhh
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#49

It's cheesy but I have to admit I enjoyed this one, there are a lot of clever little references in the music and lyrics. I love both Sweeny Todd and Hamilton though so I'm an easy mark.



Frankly I even enjoyed those stupid voting videos, just because I love that song.

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#50
AIf this had been the first mashup I'd seen after hearing Hamilton, I'd be more forgiving. It's just burnout... and me generally despising such overt fan mashups.

So what was the context for the original cast doing this?
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#51
AHmm apparently it's a competition built entirely around shows paying tribute to other shows, and you have to present a big themed hat at the end. I was wondering what that was all about. I had no idea such a thing existed.
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#52

how odd!

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#53

The Easter Bonnet is an annual Broadway theater tradition. It's part of a larger organization called Broadway Cares/Equity Fights AIDS, one of the longest-running AIDS charities. They do a number of these events each year, as well as collecting at shows a couple times a year. It's a great organization: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadway_C...ights_AIDS

Also, I went to my first Broadway Flea Market this year (where theaters, companies, organizations basically sell overflow merch and collectables, with all the profits going to charity), and boy oh boy, if you thought comic cons were intense, that's nothing compared to theater kids trying to get that last bit of Tuck Everlasting swag on a Saturday!

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#54

Hamilton's America is available on PBS now if you're able to access it.



http://www.pbs.org/wnet/gperf/episodes/h...s-america/

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#55

That tracklist does not disappoint: 

http://www.hypable.com/hamilton-mixtape-...st-lineup/



except for jimmy fallon say what?

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#56

Looking forward to it! My one problem with Hamilton songs just taken as songs is that the lyrics are so literal and plot specific you can't really take them out of context, I wonder if these versions will get around that.

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#57
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Looking forward to it! My one problem with Hamilton songs just taken as songs is that the lyrics are so literal and plot specific you can't really take them out of context, I wonder if these versions will get around that.



I think there are some - Wait for It and Helpless being two that spring to mind - that you can, with a few alterations, pull out of the musical and do as stand-alone pop songs. But, I mean, there are a ton  of Broadway/pop standards that do this, or have been altered to stand alone, over the years. In some cases, the alterations stand. In others, you just sort of go with it and accept that the song is "out of context."

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#58

So two tracks are out.



The version of "My Shot" with the Roots and Busta Rhymes is probably the best piece of pump-up music since the "Lord Knows/Fighting Stronger" mashup from Creed.

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#59

My wife got me into Broadway years ago. I have always like Lin's creativity! I did not see Hamilton....tickets were crazy expensive! You can YouTube him and check out all of his works. In the Heights was supposedly really good as well.



his lyrics are so damn good as is his delivery.

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#61

the busta part is so fucking good

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#62

Looks like I'm seeing this on January 17th. 2018 that is!



I gave the Mixtape a few listens around the time it came out. It's enjoyable enough but has a definite 'bonus disc' vibe.



The hip hop tracks are all pretty solid, even if the connection to the show is both musically and lyrically tenuous on a couple of them. The covers are a mixed bag. Some of the balladry that I find quite affecting in the context of the story are just a bit drippy when they're given blockbuster production and sung by some pop star.



I'm also not sure how successful the attempts at de-Hamiltonising the songs are.



Say Yes To This has the right approach IMO, basically putting together a new set of lyrics inspired by the original. On some of the others they basically just remove the name "Hamilton", often in ways that don't make a whole lot of sense!



Like, Quiet Uptown isn't technically about Hamilton anymore, but the rest of the lyrics are unchanged. So now it's just a song about... some other person with a dead child who wants their wife to forgive them for something, and which changes from first to third person at random.



And Usher's version of Wait For It, though thankfully correcting the egregious lack of airhorn blasts on the original, doesn't make a whole lot of sense anymore! They keep the references to Theodosia and the war, but now the middle eight switches 'Hamilton' with 'everyone', I guess to make it seem inspirational or something. But the whole point of the lyrics was that Burr was contrasting himself with Hamilton! Now he's contrasting himself with... everyone? And then they keep "what is it like in his shoes", even though there's no 'him' anymore. Sloppy!



Still, like I said, it's enjoyable enough, and I like the outtakes. It's a shame they didn't include the Whiskey Riot track. I also kind of wish they'd recorded the outtakes with the original cast so I could make a mega-Hamilton playlist, but beggars can't be choosers I suppose.

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