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UNDERWATER (2020) - Kristen Stewart
They can walk in and smile for their opening credit over the first five minutes. That's it.
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Because when you don't kill your darlings, you end up with scenes that don't contribute to the story meaningfully that don't need to be in the movie.

They chose to start this movie hitting the ground running. You are arguing for basically a different movie.
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(02-03-2020, 09:47 PM)Nooj Wrote:
(02-03-2020, 09:27 PM)hp pufncraft Wrote: Underwater Director Reveals His Movie Monster Is Bigger Than Godzilla

Honestly, I'd rather see Godzilla vs Cthulhu over Godzilla vs Kong.


is it bigger than Julie Andrews in aquaman?

maybe I wasn't that impressed with cthulhu in this because it just paled compared to the glory of Karathen!

Karen's probably bigger.

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I like how the chart gives a shout-out to "There's always a bigger fish" from TPM.
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That original Godzilla is the smallest Godzilla there is. The original one is like the size of the legs on the newest ones. Wait, that says its '54 Godzilla but I guess size wise it's a different one.

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(02-03-2020, 10:01 PM)freeman Wrote: Because when you don't kill your darlings, you end up with scenes that don't contribute to the story meaningfully that don't need to be in the movie.  

They chose to start this movie hitting the ground running.  You are arguing for basically a different movie.

Ok, you might be overstating it a bit but ok.  So is there any danger in this swing towards minimalism?  I don't come to the theatre just for the thrills, I'm there for the drama as well.  Limiting (or totally removing) the setup of a movie I think removes a fair portion of it's drama.  What's ALIENS if you start it 20 minutes in?  For instance would we even care about Burke and his whole dynamic with Ripley and Gorman if the film had started on LV426?
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I’m pretty much with Jones when it comes to rooting for first acts that actually set up a dramatic conflict beyond the basic premise (gotta get out of this underwater facility!!)

But considering my tepid response to William Eubank’s first feature, we’re probably better off with a movie that skips it entirely and leans heavily on our collective assumptions about similar genre movies’ stories and characters.

It’s the difference in quality between Kyle Reese dying and Wash dying eheheheh

One is definitely preferred, but the other’s shorthand is still shallow fun at least
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Maybe that's why I'm being so casual with all of this. I see this as a Deepstar Six, a Leviathan. I'm not approaching this like Alien, so I don't give a fuck if we have an extended first act for the usual proper setup and character work. I'm not at this B movie that I know is a B movie so I can see it pretend to be something better than it is.

I HATE when shitty horror films do that. They think they're Alien.
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I also think it’s possible for a b-movie like this to have a functioning first act on-the-go, depending on what the film is trying to achieve.

I’d say UNDERWATER doesn’t really achieve that kind of brisk elegance. It really does feel just like a “skip to the good parts!!!” movie.

But in this case, I’d say it’s more true to itself than being saddled with the trite setup of latter day Emmerich disaster films (day after tomorrow, 2012, etc)

My bigger beef with the movie is that it kept fading to black during moments of unresolved danger
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(02-03-2020, 10:01 PM)freeman Wrote: Because when you don't kill your darlings, you end up with scenes that don't contribute to the story meaningfully that don't need to be in the movie.

They chose to start this movie hitting the ground running. You are arguing for basically a different movie.
I don't mind movies that hit the ground running but they needed to orientate the audience as to the size and scope of the rig they were on. All we saw was a bathroom and 3 hallways. Would it have killed them to have a 5 min walkthrough of the station ending with Stewart in the bathroom?

One dimensional characters at best with no clue where they are. Underwater was nowhere as good ass The Abyss, Deep rising, or even Leviathan.

Jessica Henwick would have been a much better lead. More natural charisma/talent than Stewart which you need when we don't know the characters at all. Kristen Stewart continues to underwhelm.
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You’re welcome to your opinion and all, but I disagree with I think every single thing you say there, particularly Stewart, who I thought elevated this. I really appreciated the shorthand at the beginning, basically just saying ‘they’re basically characters from Alien, now go!’ I respect when a movie knows it’s lane and commits to it.

Oh, no wait, I agree The Abyss is much better. Of course it is! But it’s in the same ballpark as Deep Rising and easily laps the likes of Leviathan.
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Comparing the Abyss with this or Deep Rising or Leviathan or Deep Star 6 is ABSURD.

The Abyss is NOT a monster mash B movie. The Abyss is very much an A movie and some of Camerons finest work. To suggest that The Abyss belongs slumming it with these other projects is OFFENSIVE to me!
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I liked this quite a bit! A lean, efficient horror-thriller of surprisingly solid quality. No pretensions, no ambitions above its station... just a rock-solid and effective monster movie.

Put me in the pro Kristen Stewart camp for this one; I thought she made for a surprisingly solid leading presence, and I say surprisingly not because I don’t think she’s talented (I know she is, given the right material), but because she’s been ill-served in blockbuster-type, genre-y productions in the past; here, thankfully, the movie allows her to play things from a plausible emotional place (without ever making that the focus, because that’s not the sort of film this is), and I bought her. Jessica Henwick was really good, too, in a fairly nothing role on the page. The production design is quite good and makes the movie feel much bigger and more expensive than it actually is, the creature stuff is fun (particularly towards the end), and the sound design contributes a lot towards the tone.

Sure, its influences are obvious, but the movie clearly is self-aware about that -- there are some sound effects lifted straight from ALIEN (in the control room scene near the beginning), and that has to have been deliberate. It's kind of a pastiche, but a fun and well-made one.
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Trying like mad to get the better half on board with renting this.

She tuned out early in Sweetheart . . . another aquatic monster flick is not going over well.

Success!
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Try and sell her on the movie by telling her TJ Miller dies horrifically!
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Re-watched this tonight and still really like it. Easily my favorite horror movie I got to see in theaters this year (Out of all three of them!).

Kstew makes for a good action/horror movie heroine in this and man can she rock that short haircut.

Here's the best picture I can find of Cthulhu in the movie, who bears more than a passing resemblance to the monster from Deep Rising:

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If I was down there? I would have kicked that monsters ass in a giant yellow power loader. Easy.
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He seems nice.
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Cthulhu seems nice?
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I believe this was the last film I saw at the cinema before they shut down indefinitely.
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(04-15-2020, 06:56 AM)waaaaaaaalt Wrote: He seems nice.

(04-15-2020, 07:01 AM)freeman Wrote: Cthulhu seems nice?

He's a big ole softie.

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(04-14-2020, 08:51 PM)freeman Wrote: Comparing the Abyss with this or Deep Rising or Leviathan or Deep Star 6 is ABSURD.

The Abyss is NOT a monster mash B movie. The Abyss is very much an A movie and some of Camerons finest work. To suggest that The Abyss belongs slumming it with these other projects is OFFENSIVE to me!

I understand the urge to lump THE ABYSS in with the rest of these titles - this particular subgenre is kinda sparse - but yes, I agree. Very few films are better than THE ABYSS.

I've found myself thinking about UNDERWATER a lot after seeing it in theaters. I guess its time to revisit.
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So, was the mining company filled with Cthulhu worshippers?
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(04-14-2020, 08:47 PM)arjen rudd Wrote: You’re welcome to your opinion and all, but I disagree with I think every single thing you say there, particularly Stewart, who I thought elevated this. I really appreciated the shorthand at the beginning, basically just saying ‘they’re basically characters from Alien, now go!’ I respect when a movie knows it’s lane and commits to it.

Oh, no wait, I agree The Abyss is much better. Of course it is! But it’s in the same ballpark as Deep Rising and easily laps the likes of Leviathan.
You agree with me that there are no real characters in the movie. You can't assume your audience has seen Alien so the shorthand doesn't work. It's just lazy. You have the captain, the funny guy, the crying girl, girl in a sports bra, some guy who was sitting behind a desk, and the token black guy. Just a terrible set up.

I really hope they slashed the budget and had to do the best they could.
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I was hoping for Leviathan. I got Sphere Sad

Shout out to the shaky cam on the newspaper headlines. It was a cover up I think!

TJ Miller didn’t die anywhere as gruesomely as I hoped. His entire character felt like he walked in from a completely different movie. This had to be butchered in the editing room, French dad sad he lied about his not alive daughter? Uhh ok sure. Look monsters! Well sometimes usually we are just walking around in a shitty environment.

4 “I’m getting too old and I just can’t stop thinking about how expensive that underwater space station took to build to properly enjoy this” outta 10
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(04-15-2020, 11:14 AM)anyawatchin angel Wrote: You agree with me that there are no real characters in the movie.  You can't assume your audience has seen Alien so the shorthand doesn't work.  It's just lazy.  You have the captain, the funny guy, the crying girl, girl in a sports bra, some guy who was sitting behind a desk, and the token black guy.  Just a terrible set up.

I really hope they slashed the budget and had to do the best they could.

I'm not speaking for some lame general audience. And I have no sympathy for people who see Underwater before they see Alien.

These characters are, as you describe them, archetypes, that appear in every film like this. Do I need to see Vincent Cassel sternly disagreeing with KStew about protocol, or TJ Miller talking about his porn collection, in order to know who these characters are? I do not. They're making a B Movie here, and I thank them for understanding that.
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Yeah I just watched it earlier again and downright love the setup. It's all character through action. I wish more movies were as lean as this.
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(04-15-2020, 01:00 PM)Evi Wrote: Yeah I just watched it earlier again and downright love the setup. It's all character through action. I wish more movies were as lean as this.

Underwater is a throwback movie in a lot of ways.

Really enjoyed it.

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My daughter got a kick out of the punk rock Sponge Bob cover on the radio Miller turned on.
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(04-15-2020, 11:29 AM)Munson Wrote: I was hoping for Leviathan. I got Sphere Sad

Am I the only one who likes Sphere, or at least appreciates the creepy interesting atmosphere of Sphere?
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(04-15-2020, 07:01 AM)freeman Wrote: Cthulhu seems nice?
Sure. Also is that THE Cthulu or just a creature that looks like him?

(04-15-2020, 09:01 PM)freeman Wrote:
(04-15-2020, 11:29 AM)Munson Wrote: I was hoping for Leviathan. I got Sphere Sad
Am I the only one who likes Sphere, or at least appreciates the creepy interesting atmosphere of Sphere?
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THE Cthulhu. Got his face wrong, but it's supposed to be him.

The thing wrong with Sphere is the cold feet they got after Peter Benchley's The Beast made their giant squid look cheap and ridiculous.

That and Crichton's inability to write a likable female character.
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This movie is pretty great. It's at it's best when it's all just forward momentum, an unrelenting underwater Alien that's just moving forward. If it had been that throughout, and had cooler monster designs, it could have been a Alien knockoff to rival Alien. But as it comes into the home stretch it loses that momentum it once had, it slows down, when it feels like it should be wrapping up it keeps going and you get a little sidetracked to the old mining camp to explain everything to you. Still, it's probably the "Alien" movie after Alien.
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(04-15-2020, 09:12 PM)waaaaaaaalt Wrote: I have seen worse [haircuts than the one Stewart has in the film].


Sure, but it's pretty bad.

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(04-15-2020, 09:01 PM)freeman Wrote: Am I the only one who likes Sphere, or at least appreciates the creepy interesting atmosphere of Sphere?

I also appreciate the general mood that SPHERE brings to the table. The payoff just doesn't.... well, pay off the feeling of aquatic mystery and danger.
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I think the director confirmed it's supposed to be him.
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