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Daredevil discussion
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Saw it. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Dark entertainment with complex characterization and a reward for any die-hard Daredevil fan.

Pros: Affleck. The biggest reservations were about him and his performance. Those vanished. The smug, cocky performance he gives in seemingly every film was gone. In its place was much more nuance, respect and charm. A lot of charm. All the talk about him being physically right for the role were correct. He has stature and demanor.

Garner. She was awesome. Those accustomed to her "Alias" role will find a much more hardened performance that grows bitter by the end. Great moment after a funeral scene that is pure, cold, classic Elektra. It works. She looks great, kicks ass and inhabits her character with pathos and affection. An "Elektra" spin off would be most welcome.

Favreau. Now that was a surprise. Really funny. "Mexican Appetizer." Broke up the dark moments well.

The opening. The flashback/origin was one of the most impressive parts of the film. Moving. David Keith was dead on. The kid actually made you feel sorry for the young Matt. Better than I thought it would be and not a throwaway at all.

The fights. Dirty. Really dirty. Well done visually. The intensity was also impressive. Not a lot of holding back.

One of the most impressive qualities about the movie was the toughness it exuded. Very tough. People get beaten, stabbed, impaled. The fights are for keeps. Emotionally very brutal. No Spider-Man glee. The look is very urban and dark, which helps a great deal. Daredevil is a back-alley hero and the film doesn't forget that.

Faults: A score would have been better than the blaring soundtrack songs, but this was obviously something forced for marketing purposes. Add a score and remove the tunes and it would have added a lot more class.

Could Daredevil and Elektra's relationship been explored more? Yes. But time constraints surely lessened it. Still more effective than I thought. A little more Elektra ass-whipping would have also been welcome.

Who will love this movie most? Die-hard Daredevil readers. The tone hit the right pitch. The characterization was more than expected. The Bullseye/Elektra fight carries dialogue and imagery ripped right from Frank Miller's #181. Yes, a lot of the story — which took years to tell on the page — is compressed into this movie. But it surprisingly works. Telling the entire Elektra saga verbatim would require an HBO series. Many moments recalled "The Man Without Fear" mini series. In these regards, it's possibly the most faithful adaptation from comic page to screen ever seen. After the years of bastard comic translations it deserves reverence for that alone. It tears any Batman movie to shreds.

Closing: I'll be paying to see this again this weekend. It was that good. All the quibbles and complaints I've heard thus far are just that. Trifle and pithy. Tearing apart a movie is so easy. One person walking out actually said how much he hated the movie before he walked in and how it proved him right. Gee, I wonder why? Nearly laughed at how worried I was after reading all the online bitching beforehand. Great personal lesson learned here: ignore the dissecting Internet rants, the weird agandas people bring to a film, watch a movie and judge it on its own merits.
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